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  1. Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

    True but you have to include packaging cost. Yields? Intel7 must be yielding insanely good the last years so MTL didn't help with yields. Maybe it even resulted to worse yields since Intel4 is a newer node. ARL, Granite Rapids and Battlemage will play a big role for Intel in the next years. They...
  2. Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

    P-cores dropped hyper threading. That thing takes lots of space. P-cores are clocked probably a lot lower than previous gens for efficiency and thus they use as you said high density libs. I am not sure but i believe all previous gens U, H, HX P-cores where the same exactly and they just...
  3. Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

    left 4 Skymont, right 4 Lion Cove. Below Skymont is it's cache iirc and between the 4 Lion is their cache.
  4. Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

    Remember that Apple and Nuvia can hit very high ST with much lower clock speeds. Low clock speeds aren't that bad of a problem I believe. Low clock speeds -> Can place circuits closer -> Less die space -> Can put more stuff if your die space is very low -> Increase IPC through adding more stuff...
  5. Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

    1) Not a comp arch guy but small changes from Golden -> Redwood could be stuff associated with newer Ram or with the Layout. Alder L and Raptor L were monolithic designs and MTL is Tile based. 2) Depending your node's capabilities, your time and the capital that you allocate you can set...
  6. Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

    LNC being barely faster that RPL were projections probably based on really old 20A targets. Obviously most stuff we are talking here are rumors and assumptions. Think about it. Golden Cove (2021) Raptor Cove = Golden Cove+ Redwood Cove = ~Raptor Cove Lion Cove = Raptor Cove+ (2024-2025) That's...
  7. Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

    I believe ARL will beat X Elite in ST, MT. I don't know about efficiency in all TDP scenarios, it will depend on how good Lion and Skymont are. If you think about it Intel hasn't really changed it's P-cores arch since Golden Cove. It's more like small refreshes adding some cache and increasing...
  8. Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

    Is LNL's use case gaming? I would say ARL non U will be aimed for gaming. Intel wants the market share that Apple has gained just because of the battery life + AI capabilities. Cores play a big role especially when you are limited to 4C - 4T. I dont know if the 4E will have L3 or be outside the...
  9. Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

    So rather than build only your own chips in your fabs, you build other people chips in your fabs and you outsource yours in TSMC since you cant risk having huge capacity if IFS fails and maybe your future nodes aren't very competitive. Also use some of your own capacity for server chips (Xeon)...
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