Review AMD RX 5600XT Review Thread

Hitman928 · Jan 21, 2020

Print Media

The AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT Review, Feat. Sapphire Pulse: A New Challenger For Mainstream Gaming

www.anandtech.com

AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT im Test

Mit der Radeon RX 5600 XT platziert AMD eine Grafikkarte auf Augenhöhe zur Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060. Die Effizienz ist sehr hoch.

www.computerbase.de

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AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT Review: Look out, RTX 2060

1660 Ti-like pricing and better-than-2060 performance!

www.tomshardware.com

Video Reviews

From early reviews it seems like the 5600XT and Nvidia 2060 are basically tied both in performance and power consumption although GN's 12V rail power numbers and Anandtech's system power numbers don't agree, not sure why that is.

SteveGrabowski · Jan 24, 2020

DAPUNISHER said:
If you used the X series as the example, I could mostly agree where gaming is concerned. But using the PS5 as the example makes zero sense. So, someone that has an old and/or slow PC, is supposed to start all over in a new gaming ecosystem? Instead of simply upgrading their PC?

If the leaks are to be believed about the PS5's gpu (and of course they could be total BS), I think so. It's the choice I'm likely to make if it turns out it's going to cost me $400 for console parity on gpu (eg with the 5700 XT) and I'm still going to have to do a platform upgrade to get console parity with my CPU + RAM (as I'm running a Xeon E3-1231v3). The fact that Playstation games tend to get cheap fast only makes it even more appealing. Though I probably will at some point buy a cheap RX 570 or RX 580 to play my PC backlog of games that are unlikely to get 60 fps patches for PS5 (eg Dark Souls III, Sekiro, Devil May Cry 5).

DAPUNISHER said:
I also dislike the mindset, that if you cannot play on PC with settings superior to the console peasants, that you are supposed to either spend much more on PC performance, or throw up your hands and quit the PC master race.

I don't want to be paying top dollar for console baseline level performance on PC, which is where the market looks now if the 9.2 TFLOPS Navi gpu in PS5 rumor is actually true (hopefully we'll know by next month). Especially when AAA games tend to get very lazy ports to PC that lean on PC having the grunt to brute force its way to good performance. Bad port seems closer to the rule than to the exception. I loved PC gaming when I could get a GTX 970 for $340 that completely smoked the consoles and ended up being a great card to use for five years. But I don't want to be buying something now that doesn't have the grunt to keep up in two years and that I'm going to want to replace. PC becoming a money pit was why I went from PC to console in the 360 generation. PC becoming pretty affordable is why I went back to it in 2014. PC looking like it's becoming a money pit again with the out of control gpu price inflation is probably going to push me back away from PC gaming again.

SteveGrabowski · Jan 24, 2020

AtenRa said:
Its officially 14Gbps in their site,

Click in Specifications

https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/consumer/pulse-radeon-rx-5600-xt-6g-gddr6

Memory Size/Bus
6GB/192 bit GDDR6
Memory Clock
14 Gbps Effective

edit: You either buy one of the cards now and update the bios manually or wait a few days/weeks for the new cards with the new bios to arrive.

OK, that sounds a hell of a lot better then.

Glo. · Jan 24, 2020

In the context of Consoles, I always consider this as being the best possible setup:

1) Console and high quality TV for non-E-Sports gaming.
2) PC for all of E-Sports games.

And that is my philosophy of Gaming Entertainment.

lobz · Jan 24, 2020

StrangerGuy said:
$280+ for this is a joke when the 1660S and 5700 exists.

English translation: the 2060 is the biggest joke card after the 1650.

Glo. · Jan 24, 2020

lobz said:
English translation: the 2060 is the biggest joke card after the 1650.

Which is bad for me, because RTX 2060 is by far my favourite Nvidia GPU from Turing architecture

lifeblood · Jan 24, 2020

railven said:
I'm glad someone else said this first because that is where my friend is. The issue is so random, it's a risk to run any high level keys. If anyone here plays WoW, running high level keys and having your monitor randomly go off or worse freeze, will cost you the key. If it happens early in the run, it's annoying but losing a +19/20 key 2-3 pulls before the last boss because your tank's monitor cuts out is a 40+minute waste of time for 5 people. Have it happen 3-4 times and you're going to get benched.

With patch 8.3 out, and his guild starting their mythic schedule, I can only imagine how much patience is left in him. I've been offering to buy it like some kind of vulture haha.

I've had a bunch of trouble with my 5700 (vanilla). I was running both the 5700 and a GT 610 and many of the problems went away once I removed the GT 610 and plugged my secondary monitor into the 5700. More problems went away when I ran DDU and upgraded to the most recent driver. Now I only occasionally get the black screen, usually when I'm playing Civ IV.

I can say this has been the most painful GPU upgrade, but I've also greatly upped my game in the past year. I'm running an Ultrawide display with Freesync along with a second display so I guess that makes me a "niche" situation.

Glo. · Jan 24, 2020

railven said:
I'm glad someone else said this first because that is where my friend is. The issue is so random, it's a risk to run any high level keys. If anyone here plays WoW, running high level keys and having your monitor randomly go off or worse freeze, will cost you the key. If it happens early in the run, it's annoying but losing a +19/20 key 2-3 pulls before the last boss because your tank's monitor cuts out is a 40+minute waste of time for 5 people. Have it happen 3-4 times and you're going to get benched.

With patch 8.3 out, and his guild starting their mythic schedule, I can only imagine how much patience is left in him. I've been offering to buy it like some kind of vulture haha.

I've asked my friend about this.

He is experiencing exactly the behavior you talk about, but in World of Tanks.

But he has Sapphire RX 580 8 GB GDDR5 GPU. Interesting...

Stuka87 · Jan 24, 2020

lifeblood said:
I've had a bunch of trouble with my 5700 (vanilla). I was running both the 5700 and a GT 610 and many of the problems went away once I removed the GT 610 and plugged my secondary monitor into the 5700. More problems went away when I ran DDU and upgraded to the most recent driver. Now I only occasionally get the black screen, usually when I'm playing Civ IV.

I can say this has been the most painful GPU upgrade, but I've also greatly upped my game in the past year. I'm running an Ultrawide display with Freesync along with a second display so I guess that makes me a "niche" situation.

Running AMD and nVidia together has never worked well in my experience. So many weird issues that pop up.

lobz · Jan 24, 2020

Glo. said:
Which is bad for me, because RTX 2060 is by far my favourite Nvidia GPU from Turing architecture

we all have our guilty pleasures ))))

lifeblood · Jan 24, 2020

Stuka87 said:
Running AMD and nVidia together has never worked well in my experience. So many weird issues that pop up.

My RX 570 with the GT 610 worked flawlessly. I ran that way for a few years and never had any problem. I was probably lucky but it lulled me into a sense of complacency which bit me when I upgraded to the 5700.

Glo. said:
I've asked my friend about this.

He is experiencing exactly the behavior you talk about, but in World of Tanks.

But he has Sapphire RX 580 8 GB GDDR5 GPU. Interesting...

The one thing I haven't done is rebuilt my PC from scratch. I might do that just to see if it helps, but given AMD has acknowledged this is an issue I suspect its more a driver issue of some nature.

I can see where this might annoy people and cause them to switch. When it first started happening I was pretty upset and regretting my purchase. Now that I got it down to just an occasional annoyance I'm able to look at it more philosophically and handle it as a challenge to try and figure out.

RetroZombie · Jan 24, 2020

Mopetar said:
I'm not sure what're you're trying to say with this

What I meant is if the results were somewhat flawed, like trans-coding errors, bad images, low image quality, video corruption... they shouldn't publish the results and use them to compare with others that didn't show any issues.

RetroZombie · Jan 24, 2020

tamz_msc said:
Don't have real points to argue with, do you?

Well for start I'm disappointed with you because you don't like The Matrix movie.

The game you linked is from 2012?! And I already said why, because of the frame cap, what do you want me to say more?

Here a graph made just for you:

Kenmitch · Jan 24, 2020

Glo. said:
Which is bad for me, because RTX 2060 is by far my favourite Nvidia GPU from Turing architecture

I'll throw you a bone.

Sorry for being off topic guys.

Hitman928 · Jan 24, 2020

RetroZombie said:
View attachment 16219

There has to be an error in this graph, it makes no sense otherwise. I think the most likely thing is that the blue graph (H264 Software) for the 3900X + 5700XT should be orange (H264 GPU). I don't know the source of the image though so it's hard to say and impossible to ask for clarification.

RetroZombie · Jan 24, 2020

Kenmitch said:
I'll throw you a bone.

If all the EVGA RTX2060KO have the 2080 die inside ok.

If it's just some models, than the media is being manipulated, and it seams odd that the gamer nexus that don't like shenanigans might have fallen into one.

If it's just their sample they will look very bad with this... but after the RX5600XT launch what to say.

All bad buys overall these days, gamers are being robbed at the graphics cards and display monitors for sure, what other computer parts are nicely priced

Arkaign · Jan 24, 2020

RetroZombie said:
If all the EVGA RTX2060KO have the 2080 die inside ok.

If it's just some models, than the media is being manipulated, and it seams odd that the gamer nexus that don't like shenanigans might have fallen into one.

If it's just their sample they will look very bad with this... but after the RX5600XT launch what to say.

All bad buys overall these days, gamers are being robbed at the graphics cards and display monitors for sure, what other computer parts are nicely priced

In the video, they are very careful to say that this is an ongoing mystery, not helpful to gaming, and not known how widespread this particular new T104 die is vs the previous T106 2060 die.

That said, agreed. I think the 2060 and 5600 are bogus deals.

lobz · Jan 24, 2020

RetroZombie said:
Well for start I'm disappointed with you because you don't like The Matrix movie.

The game you linked is from 2012?! And I already said why, because of the frame cap, what do you want me to say more?

Here a graph made just for you:
View attachment 16219

This. I mean this whole post, literally.

tamz_msc · Jan 24, 2020

RetroZombie said:
Well for start I'm disappointed with you because you don't like The Matrix movie.

The game you linked is from 2012?! And I already said why, because of the frame cap, what do you want me to say more?

Here a graph made just for you:
View attachment 16219

That game is old enough that a 8-year old HD 7970 can keep the game pegged at 130 FPS, but a new 5700 can't, which was my point from the beginning.

And congratulations, you've proved that Navi can't do H.264 GPU only encodes.

EDIT: Here is what I mean when I say that H264 on Navi is broken:

AtenRa · Jan 25, 2020

Arkaign said:
That said, agreed. I think the 2060 and 5600 are bogus deals.

Personally with the release of RX5600XT at $279 and the price cut of RTX2060 at $299 , I believe we are reaching the time where we can say that we really have worthy GPU upgrades for the RX480/580/590 and GTX1060 that gives you 45%-100% higher performance close to the original MSRP.

RX480 8GB MSRP $239

RX590 8GB MSRP $279

GTX1060 6GB MSRP $249 (Founders $299)

RX5600XT 6GB MSRP $279

According to TPU at 1080p

RX5600XT 6GB 89% faster than RX 570 4GB (RX480 performance)
RX5600XT 6GB 70% faster than GTX1060 6GB
RX5600XT 6GB 61% faster than RX 580 8GB
RX5600XT 6GB 45% faster than RX 590 8GB

Sapphire Radeon RX 5600 XT Pulse Review

Sapphire's RX 5600 XT Pulse comes at $289, which is only a small $10 premium over the AMD MSRP, yet it's faster than the GeForce RTX 2060. The card's cooler does a great job and delivers good temperatures paired with amazing noise levels, and it has fan-stop, too.

www.techpowerup.com

tajoh111 · Jan 25, 2020

Hitman928 said:
Maybe, but then the performance numbers wouldn't add up as they had the 5600XT outperforming the 2060 in most cases.

Toms results for AMD have been fishy ever since Igor literally started working for AMD.

If you look at Igors results for his overclock with the power mod, he maxed out the 5700xt with an exceptionally high 2.2ghz, with the power limit thrown out and power only went up 20 watts vs stock.

Compare this with gamersnexus or hardware unboxed results which both got much lower overclocks, with much higher power increases, it seems like an anomaly from a statistical and physical standpoint.

2.2 ghz is basically the highest a 5700xt will overclock(an exceptional one at that) and with the power not limited, it should be much higher.

Similarly he just happen to cherry pick and show one result that showed the most scaling with overclocking the 5700xt.

Considering the credibility of Tomshardware should have been shot after their RTX review with the headline

Just buy it: Why Nvidia RTX GPU's are worth the money.

Just Buy It: Why Nvidia RTX GPUs Are Worth the Money

Some enthusiasts are upset about the price of the Nvidia RTX 2080 / 2070, but the opportunity cost of sticking with old technology is higher.

www.tomshardware.com

I wonder why it has become a trustable source again.

AtenRa · Jan 25, 2020

You really have to take each review individually because they use different methods to record Power consumption.

Anandtech uses total system power consumption on the wall (Shadow Of the Tomb Rider)
Toms Hardware uses GPUz to measure power usage of the GPU in Metro Exodus
Gamers Nexus uses Furmark and 3DMark (i dont know what they use to record the consumption)
Hardware Unboxed uses total system power consumption on the wall (Gears 5 and F1 2019 both at 1440p)

happy medium · Jan 25, 2020

Kenmitch said:
I'll throw you a bone.

Sorry for being off topic guys.

Looks to me like Nvidia is clearing out old inventory with these chips
New cards are likely on the way in the upcoming months.

Glo. · Jan 25, 2020

happy medium said:
Looks to me like Nvidia is clearing out old inventory with these chips
New cards are likely on the way in the upcoming months.

If that would be the case we would see price cuts on ALL of RTX 2XXX GPUs, and not just batch of faulty dies given to EVGA for KO lineup, like it was previously.

Glo. · Jan 25, 2020

tajoh111 said:
Toms results for AMD have been fishy ever since Igor literally started working for AMD.

If you look at Igors results for his overclock with the power mod, he maxed out the 5700xt with an exceptionally high 2.2ghz, with the power limit thrown out and power only went up 20 watts vs stock.

Compare this with gamersnexus or hardware unboxed results which both got much lower overclocks, with much higher power increases, it seems like an anomaly from a statistical and physical standpoint.

2.2 ghz is basically the highest a 5700xt will overclock(an exceptional one at that) and with the power not limited, it should be much higher.

Similarly he just happen to cherry pick and show one result that showed the most scaling with overclocking the 5700xt.

Considering the credibility of Tomshardware should have been shot after their RTX review with the headline

Just buy it: Why Nvidia RTX GPU's are worth the money.

Just Buy It: Why Nvidia RTX GPUs Are Worth the Money

Some enthusiasts are upset about the price of the Nvidia RTX 2080 / 2070, but the opportunity cost of sticking with old technology is higher.

www.tomshardware.com

I wonder why it has become a trustable source again.

Igor is not anymore responsible for Tom's Hardware. He is responsible only for German version of Tom's Hardware, or at least he was till some time ago, how is it now? I don't know. He posts his own data on his own site: "Igor's Lab".

If anything there are plenty of proofs that show that Tom's, at least non-German part of Tom's, is heavily Nvidia Biased, which is shown for example by that article you have posted.

RetroZombie · Jan 25, 2020

tamz_msc said:
That game is old enough that a 8-year old HD 7970 can keep the game pegged at 130 FPS, but a new 5700 can't, which was my point from the beginning.

And congratulations, you've proved that Navi can't do H.264 GPU only encodes.

But your point was that in Dishonored 1 the RX5700 have the same performance of RX580, and the card even underclocked to 'keep up' with the game low demand.

Which is also why RX580 = RX5700 = HD7970 = GTX680 = .... have all the same performance, because of the frame cap.

Why use hardware when with software+hardware you can do it 3 times faster than the most expensive gpu the nvidia rtx 2080 Ti currently at $1,199.00.

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