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Nothing more needs to be said. Right now it's almost impossible to make somebody buy Radeon gpus. People just buy 4060 and 4070. I mean non-tech savy people.
I think they should go 20% cheaper than now.
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Nothing more needs to be said. Right now it's almost impossible to make somebody buy Radeon gpus. People just buy 4060 and 4070. I mean non-tech savy people.
I think they should go 20% cheaper than now.
I think that you are wrong because they just pick a price that will sell (or actually a price above that and then discount until it starts selling). They actually want more sales for RDNA2 than for 3, because they have a glut of RDNA2 cards, but can just produce fewer RDNA3 cards. So the price/performance for the new cards will probably remain stagnant or even be a bit worse.yeeeaa but... RDNA2 is priced perfectly between RDNA3 RX7600 <-> RX7900XT. That means, RDNA2 cards still carry price premium of new generation products, and have room to go down. I think we will see real price cuts after 7700/7800 cards arrive. Right now we are seeing RX6800/6900/6950xt at their full premium price. Tell me I'm wrong and why (pandemic MSRP prices were ludicrous and mean nothing to me)
Daniel-San has a vid up. Not bringing much value vs the 6800XT for gaming
In the US, the 6800xt is ~$530 on Amazon, while the 4070 is ~$590.
The 4060ti 8GB is ~$400, and the 16gb version is an outrageous $600 (only one model in stock). Found more for $500 at Newegg.
They could just be testing the waters. If all available 4060 Ti 16GB stock sells out, they may go with a larger manufacturing batch. But it really depends on how wise gamers are (most of them aren't).Did NVidia twist arms to build the 8GB version, and for 16GB version, just told them to do whatever they felt like?
Why? The 6800 XT performs the same when not VRAM limited and has 4GB more of VRAM while costing $60 less.At those prices, I'd choose 4070 there as well.
Why? The 6800 XT performs the same when not VRAM limited and has 4GB more of VRAM while costing $60 less.
Are you a streamer, an AI researcher, or use CUDA a lot? Then yeah the 6800 XT wouldn't make much sense. If not I think I'd value the extra 4GB of VRAM over DLSS being significantly better than FSR when upscaling from 1080p and below. With RT being so VRAM heavy I also wouldn't think too much of the 4070's ability to hold onto that big lead on RT performance it has right now. Don't really see the 4070 as the kind of gpu you'd get to run heavy RT since for instance Cyberpunk barely gets to 60 fps at 1080p with heavy RT effects on a 4070 and that's one of the few big games designed for PC first. Just seems more like a price class where you'd focus on raster and say light RT effects, eg maybe turning reflections on at low to medium settings and turning off RT shadows that hurt performance pretty badly while not offering a ton of visual improvement. I just don't see the appeal of Nvidia's 4000 series gaming cards other than the 4090, which AMD has no answer for.Performs the same at raster. A GPU is more than just Raster gaming.
6800 XT lacks DLSS, lacks AV1 encoder, Lacks AI cores, and has less support for productivity.
Are you a streamer, an AI researcher, or use CUDA a lot? Then yeah the 6800 XT wouldn't make much sense. If not I think I'd value the extra 4GB of VRAM over DLSS being significantly better than FSR when upscaling from 1080p and below. With RT being so VRAM heavy I also wouldn't think too much of the 4070's ability to hold onto that big lead on RT performance it has right now. Don't really see the 4070 as the kind of gpu you'd get to run heavy RT since for instance Cyberpunk barely gets to 60 fps at 1080p with heavy RT effects on a 4070 and that's one of the few big games designed for PC first. Just seems more like a price class where you'd focus on raster and say light RT effects, eg maybe turning reflections on at low to medium settings and turning off RT shadows that hurt performance pretty badly while not offering a ton of visual improvement. I just don't see the appeal of Nvidia's 4000 series gaming cards other than the 4090, which AMD has no answer for.
I prefer the performance/power of the 4060 ti over the 6800xt, and would choose the 4060 ti given those options,
but, it does look unimpressive from pure performance and price, it's not a very exciting product, the older 60s managed to hold more appeal back in their day, still wouldn't go for a power hungry last gen high end card as a good alternative. since 300w TDP has been made normal for that sort of card.
but, I'm totally not in the market for a $500 card.
The 6800 XT is a way better buy than the 4060 Ti.
As above. Depends on the price, without pricing, that's a meaningless statement.
Is Amazon a must? Because I saw a 6800 XT at $698 on ca.pcpartpicker.com. Of course I don't know how reliable shoprbc.com is or whether they get you back with high shipping fees and such.Price shifts things a lot. If there was that kind of pricing here, I would get a 6800XT, but the best pricing here today in my Amazon wishlist (Canadian - sold by Amazon):
DUAL-RTX4060TI-O8G by Asus $529.99
ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB $636.27
XFX Speedster SWFT 319 AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT $767.42 (This is about as low as I've seen it at Amazon).
ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 4070 Twin Edge OC $789.99
Here, 6800 XT is near 4070 price, and if I'm spending that much, it's an easy choice in favor of the 4070.
Both 4060 Ti 8G/16GB are too expensive for what you get, but if I decide to go cheaper, i'd be more likely to go 8GB to save more and lower a couple of settings, so I'd probably not buy either the 6800XT or 16GB 4060 Ti.
For $499 MRSP I would at least want 20gbps memory and Full Ada106. You truly pay $100 for only 8GB more, the rest is the same.As above. Depends on the price, without pricing, that's a meaningless statement.
For $499 MRSP I would at least want 20gbps memory and Full Ada106. You truly pay $100 for only 8GB more, the rest is the same.
This way you could gain a bit higher performance and better perf/$.
4060Ti vs RX 6800XT
AMD is actually 27%-33%-40% faster in raster, but only 3%-6%-9% faster in RT on average. TPU
It will depend on price difference and If you want to play with RT or not.
Still. I would rather choose from RX 7800XT and RTX 4070.
RTX 4070 would be my top choice, but that 12GB Vram is seriously not to my liking.