Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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dr1337

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Again, the iGP won't be used here.
Nah, we already know 8 zen 4 cores aren't that fast for AI, otherwise there would be no need for AI accelerators.

Edit: If you actually have some kind of reference or something please share it because at face value this has to be the graphics numbers.
 

dr1337

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It's quite literally just a fatter higher clocked AIE on Strix1.
You are quite literally missing what we are talking about. The slides shown have "total TOPS" numbers for everything except strix, which is obviously the combined NPU and GPU performance. And if we had that combined number for strix, which AMD did not provide any number at all btw, we could speculate on the GPU performance.
 

Fjodor2001

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So based on e.g. the recent announcement of the Ryzen 8000 laptop CPUs, AMD seems to think NPU and AI is what matters (like a lot of other players in the industry). There's even talk about NPU being mandatory for Windows 12, like TPM is for Windows 11. That would render Zen4 obsolete on Windows 12.

So what are your thoughts about what NPU will be included on the desktop variants of Zen5, and what performance can be expected from it?
 

adroc_thurston

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AMD seems to think NPU and AI is what matters
It's all Microsoft trying to salvage their dying Windows business by digging out the Next Big Thing™.
Their last attempt was Win8 and everyone knows how that went.
There's even talk about NPU being mandatory for Windows 12
For a premium™ sticker.
So what are your thoughts about what NPU will be included on the desktop variants of Zen5
None.
Granite Ridge is Raphael with a new CCD.
 

Fjodor2001

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It's all Microsoft trying to salvage their dying Windows business by digging out the Next Big Thing™.
Their last attempt was Win8 and everyone knows how that went.
I’d say Win11 is the new Win8, which has not taken off so much yet.

I think Win12 might be the next Win10. Seems like it’s every second release that matters, based on past track record.

Also Win10 will reach EOL soon (in 2025), so you gotta move to something, or pay extra for ESU.
For a premium™ sticker.
Rumors say mandatory. E.g this:


”A key area of focus for Windows 12 is expected to be AI capabilities and to support this, Windows 12 will require PCs equipped with an NPU (Neural Processing Unit) or a GPU capable of handling on-device AI processing. This indicates a move towards more advanced computing and raises questions about the accessibility of the upgrade for users with less powerful hardware.”

None.
Granite Ridge is Raphael with a new CCD.
But the NPU can be on the new CCD.

It’s gotta be somewhere on Zen5. I have a hard time seeing AMD releasing Zen5 in 2024 without NPU, if Win12 will be released in 2024 too and requires NPU, or atleast makes usage of NPU one of the key selling points of Win12 and the new features that come with it. Without NPU, Zen5 would be considered outdated very soon after release. And it’s quite a long time after that until Zen6 arrives.
 
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adroc_thurston

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I’d say Win11 is the new Win8
No, Win11 is a nothingburger.
Win12 is another attempt at reviving the dying PC market a-la Win8 and its touchscreen laptop push.
Rumors say mandatory.
It is. not.
You need 50tops worth of matrix tumors to get the premium AI PC designation.
But the NPU can be on the new CCD.
No.
It’s gotta be somewhere on Zen5.
No.
I have a hard time seeing AMD releasing Zen5 in 2024 without NPU
Why?
It's dark silicon that has no business being present outside of premium laptops where you need that MS sticker.
or atleast makes usage of NPU one of the key selling point of Win12 and the new features that come with it
No one cares.
It's dark silicon for marketing brownie points, the exact same arrangement as on phones.
Without NPU, Zen5 would be considered outdated very soon after release. And it’s quite a long time after that until Zen6 arrives.
No one cares.
Who said Z6 luggable part gonna have a chungus GEMM blob?
 

FlameTail

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I don't think it's wise now to declare W12 a dud.

One example is search, where you'll be able to use natural language queries to find files on your PC. For example, you could type "find me the file I was working on last Sunday", and Windows would be able to understand that input.
What's more, this "advanced copilot" can remember the content you've looked at on your PC and create a timeline, so you can then search for any term that was on screen and have Windows take you back to what you were looking at. The concept of a Windows timeline is something Microsoft did try with Windows 10, but it was scrapped after a few years. Another noteworthy improvement is with live captions, which will apparently be able to not only caption video, but translate it in real time as you watch a video or partake in a call.
Now that's some cool, quality of life features. You guys need to realise that chatbots isn't all there is to AI. Here I am, wishing my current PC would support these features, whereas you guys don't even want them?

Source: https://www.xda-developers.com/windows-hudson-valley-update/
 
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