The brits are in for a rough ride

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pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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Not all deluded people vote conservative, but all conservative voters are deluded, and Brexit was an absolute conservative wet dream.

Yeah, fascinating that nearly a third of Tory voters are still clinging to the 'faith'. Makes me wonder - does that represent a small group of people for whom the scam has genuinely paid-off (if only for them personally) or is it whistling-in-the-dark by those who don't want to admit it has gained them nothing?

Also wonder how much is selection effect - is the proportion of Labour voters who are still pro-Brexit so small because the sort of people who vote Labour are well aware they haven't gained anything from it, or is it because the remaining true-believers in Brexit have deserted Labour for not being sufficiently of-the-faith?

Though I still think Brexit is a side-issue. Things would have continued to get worse even if we'd stayed in, just probably more slowly.
 
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pmv

Lifer
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The most unpopular conservative PM the country has ever had starts a group called "popular conservatism", and the woman who was appointed PM by a few thousand Tory Party members wants to "restore democratic accountability"


The “PopCon” movement claims to want to “restore democratic accountability to Britain and deliver popular conservative policies”.
But polling by Savanta seen by HuffPost UK shows Truss - who was forced to quit as PM after just 49 days in office - is the least popular politician the firm asks voters about.
 

Ajay

Lifer
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The most unpopular conservative PM the country has ever had starts a group called "popular conservatism", and the woman who was appointed PM by a few thousand Tory Party members wants to "restore democratic accountability"

Geez, what is up with US and British politics. It's madness.
 
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pmv

Lifer
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Though

(a) 93 seats is about 92 more than they deserve (I would allow them 1 for the sake of diversity)... and

(b) it's remarkable how distorting FPTP is - the SNP with a predicted 3.4% of the vote getting 18 seats, while the Greens with nearly twice as many on 6% would only get their existing single seat, and Reform would likely get no seats with 10% of the vote vs the Lib Dems getting 34 seats with the same vote share. All because, I assume, of how their votes are distributed geographically (plus the long-standing over-representation of Scotland).
 

pmv

Lifer
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So at the same time as introducing photo-ID requirement and making it harder for poorer and younger people to vote (despite the complete lack of evidence for any in-person voter-fraud) the Tories have changed the law to allow people who don't live in this country (and even those who never have done) to vote. I'm sure that won't introduce any possibility for fraud.

 

mikeymikec

Lifer
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Though

(a) 93 seats is about 92 more than they deserve (I would allow them 1 for the sake of diversity)... and

(b) it's remarkable how distorting FPTP is - the SNP with a predicted 3.4% of the vote getting 18 seats, while the Greens with nearly twice as many on 6% would only get their existing single seat, and Reform would likely get no seats with 10% of the vote vs the Lib Dems getting 34 seats with the same vote share. All because, I assume, of how their votes are distributed geographically (plus the long-standing over-representation of Scotland).

Once the poll factors in the RWM almost inevitably rallying around the tories and preaching that the world will end unless everyone votes tory then it should come to IMO the correct conclusion which is "the next election will be a close thing", possibly another coalition job.

Unless Keir Starmer or Rishi Sunak gets caught with their trousers down next to an eleven year old boy.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Three words spring to mind: cold dead hands
Camilla will see to it. Then she'll have Charlesmediocris' boys sent to the Tower and place her own daughter on the throne, England's first Catholic monarch since Henry VIII. The Bowles Dynasty will finally drive the Krauts out of England. Incidentally, Camilla is descended from both the House of Stuart and the House of Bourbon.


I got to get over to the conspiracy thread and send my resume to the Daily Mail.
 

pmv

Lifer
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She's clearly a Trump-level grifter. Being delusional is the gift that keeps on giving. One can make a very lucrative career out of being out-of-your-mind.

You see it again-and-again. You have to fool yourself before you can fool others. If you want to make lots of money the first rule is "under no circumstances think critically about your own beliefs".



Ex-PM Boris Johnson said, “I commend this invigorating tract!”, while Republican US senator Mike Lee predicted: “Truss will be a leader in this fight for years to come and her book pulls no punches in describing the stakes of today and the challenges of tomorrow.”
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
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I have no idea whom I'm going to vote for in the next election.

What I would like is a party that prioritises the environment and more socialist policies in general. I'd like to kick the tories out but I'm not sure I really see much benefit in voting for Labour if they're going to act like tory-lite anyway.

I hate the idea of tactical voting (though I did it in the last election for Corbyn), and I'm not convinced of its necessity this time. The UK needs to do a 180 on so many topics, and another Nu-Labour (ie. Blair era) might improve some things a bit, but overall what worries me with Labour is that IMO they have the perception that they can either be true to traditional Labour values (ie. a type of socialism), or they can win elections by being tory-lite.

America has the same problem but in a far more extreme fashion. In America's situation I'd absolutely tactically vote for the Democrats. I'm wondering whether the UK's problem isn't as far from America's as I'd like to think. Perhaps I should just vote for Labour in the hope that a) they get elected and b) that improves the chances for left-wing politics in general.

While the notion of voting for the winning side would be satisfying on some personal level, I know I'm not going to be placing the deciding vote. I'm fine with the idea of just voting for the party that actually (and I cynically acknowledge the downside of this) says the things I want to hear.

Perhaps it's the more mature thing to try to put as much weight behind the least awful, most likely election winner as possible, ie. Labour? Some improvement is better than no improvement, right? Some improvements may lead to more improvements in the political landscape (though I think this will only really happen if the tories are relegated to third place or beyond)?

If only I was rich enough not to have to work or retired already, I think I'd be happy badgering my local MP etc as one of my hobbies.
 

biostud

Lifer
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I have no idea whom I'm going to vote for in the next election.

What I would like is a party that prioritises the environment and more socialist policies in general. I'd like to kick the tories out but I'm not sure I really see much benefit in voting for Labour if they're going to act like tory-lite anyway.

I hate the idea of tactical voting (though I did it in the last election for Corbyn), and I'm not convinced of its necessity this time. The UK needs to do a 180 on so many topics, and another Nu-Labour (ie. Blair era) might improve some things a bit, but overall what worries me with Labour is that IMO they have the perception that they can either be true to traditional Labour values (ie. a type of socialism), or they can win elections by being tory-lite.

America has the same problem but in a far more extreme fashion. In America's situation I'd absolutely tactically vote for the Democrats. I'm wondering whether the UK's problem isn't as far from America's as I'd like to think. Perhaps I should just vote for Labour in the hope that a) they get elected and b) that improves the chances for left-wing politics in general.

While the notion of voting for the winning side would be satisfying on some personal level, I know I'm not going to be placing the deciding vote. I'm fine with the idea of just voting for the party that actually (and I cynically acknowledge the downside of this) says the things I want to hear.

Perhaps it's the more mature thing to try to put as much weight behind the least awful, most likely election winner as possible, ie. Labour? Some improvement is better than no improvement, right? Some improvements may lead to more improvements in the political landscape (though I think this will only really happen if the tories are relegated to third place or beyond)?

If only I was rich enough not to have to work or retired already, I think I'd be happy badgering my local MP etc as one of my hobbies.
It's not like we don't have our problems as well, but at least it feels nice to be able to choose between more than two parties.
 

pmv

Lifer
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I have no idea whom I'm going to vote for in the next election.


Be thankful you don't live in Rochdale. I find it all very confusing as it is, but the choice there would do my head in. It also seems another example of how the insoluble nature of the Israel/Palestine dispute drives everyone crazy.

For starters the Labour Party candidate has been disowned by their own party (they are still on the ballot but if elected would be immediately ejected from the Parliamentary Labour Party, so I guess in effect they are an independent, and there is no Labour candidate) for making unacceptably anti-Israel remarks.

I'm not sure they really count as Anti-semitic, myself - I mean, is suggesting Netanyahu allowed the Hamas attack to occur for political reasons any different from things that were suggested about Dubya and 911? Suggesting that he ignored warnings and let it happen is not in quite the same league as the "911 was an inside job" conspiracy theories and while it may be a very implausible and overly-cynical conspiracy theory - and maybe you don't want your official candidate spouting contentious wild theories - in what way is it specifically anti-Jewish rather than anti-Netanyahu?

And on top of that, the Green Party candidate has also been disowned by _their_ party for the opposite offence, having made unacceptably anti-Palestinian (and anti-Muslim) remarks.

And then there's George Galloway...

Oh, and the "Reform" (i.e. hard-right) candidate is the ex-Labour candidate, who was previously ejected from that party for sexually texting a 17-year-old girl.

Plus there seem to be about a dozen 'independent' candidates campaigning on a load of different single issues.
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
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@pmv

Ok, that's worse than my dilemma. The local candidate here (tory stronghold) is an absolute tory yes man, the kind of person who voted for remain when told to, then voted to leave when told to, etc. The local Labour candidate phones it in every time because they don't think they stand a chance, then there's the rest. Your Green party story makes me mentally make a positive note for them (the party that is) though
 

pmv

Lifer
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They lost another one (couldn't sleep, got up, decided to check the news - back to bed again, slightly happier).


Labour’s win in Kingswood means the Conservatives have now lost nine byelections in the course of this parliament – one more than the eight defeats suffered by the 1992-97 Conservative administration led by John Major. It means the Conservative government has lost more byelections in a single parliament than any government since the 1960s.

No result for the other one yet, dammit. Can they get the score up to ten?

 

pmv

Lifer
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Yea, they lost the other one as well (an 18,000 majority overturned). Can we _please_ have an election now? Or do we have to wait for another 20+ Tory MPs to be caught in sex or financial scandals?
 
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sdifox

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Yea, they lost the other one as well (an 18,000 majority overturned). Can we _please_ have an election now? Or do we have to wait for another 20+ Tory MPs to be caught in sex or financial scandals?
Wait for it, far more entertaining
 
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