Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

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fskimospy

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This is what people suspected for a while since she was not collecting signatures or raising money. Remarkable how she burned down her own political career for no reason at all besides being deluded.
I'm not sure if that's the only reason. How long until she ends up with some high paying lobbying/corporate board/whatever job?

I think not very long at all.
 

manly

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South Florida is old school anti-castro Cubans, they tend to be pretty hard right. Their children are starting to vote differently though.
Everyone knows about the Cubans for decades; that isn't what I'm referring to. FL was the quintessential 50/50 state for numerous election cycles. But in 2020, they turned to the right and then veered even more sharply that direction in 2022.

Hillary won Miami-Dade County by 29 points in 2016; Biden carried it by just 7.4 points. This isn't just about the Cubans.

Florida isn't essential to Biden's EC map, so this isn't a problem in and of itself (most models even pre 2016 have FL as vital to the GOP candidate's path to victory). My point here is that despite Donald Trump sucking at a lot of elections and pissing off a lot of people, he's still managed to shore up some support in a few areas. The fact that such a toxic, unqualified POS even has a proverbial "puncher's chance" this year should be alarming enough.

I incorrectly described him as "mopping up" in s. Florida, which didn't actually happen. But he did somehow move Miami-Dade roughly 20 points rightward from where it had been not long ago.
 
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It feels far too small-scale in relation to the other things we consider social media these days. Feels like there should be some separation within the category of social media.
Why? Social media is just a descriptor that came along after the propagation of forums. The forum is a place in cyberspace, where registered users can post and discuss with people they know or don't know, just like Facebook or Twitter. This forum is certainly smaller than what people might typically think of when you say social media, but I think we're still in that bucket.
 

Pens1566

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This is what people suspected for a while since she was not collecting signatures or raising money. Remarkable how she burned down her own political career for no reason at all besides being deluded.

She is the political definition of "delusions of grandeur".
 
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Pens1566

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I'm not sure if that's the only reason. How long until she ends up with some high paying lobbying/corporate board/whatever job?

I think not very long at all.

I'm not sure who would be willing to pay her large sums for her "political savvy". Considering she's displayed almost zero in quite some time.
 

Zorba

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I'm starting to realize that the pseudo-intellectual Democratic base are like Vulcans. They lack emotional substance when it comes to certain integral things. They don't attempt to connect with people who are severely impacted emotionally by an ethnic cleansing and genocide but rather just from a purely logical perspective. Which is essentially dismissive of their actual valid feelings. Never a thought about - how could they possibly feel this way, how are they invested in this, so we can perhaps understand and then talk on a more equal level.

In order to get them to a logical place you have to be able to actually have empathy in the first place. But it seems these pseudo-intellectual Vulcans lack this basic function.
A whole lot of democrats will not get it through their thick skulls that we have a binary choice. The choice is Biden or Trump.
 
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Indus

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I'm starting to realize that the pseudo-intellectual Democratic base are like Vulcans. They lack emotional substance when it comes to certain integral things. They don't attempt to connect with people who are severely impacted emotionally by an ethnic cleansing and genocide but rather just from a purely logical perspective. Which is essentially dismissive of their actual valid feelings. Never a thought about - how could they possibly feel this way, how are they invested in this, so we can perhaps understand and then talk on a more equal level.

In order to get them to a logical place you have to be able to actually have empathy in the first place. But it seems these pseudo-intellectual Vulcans lack this basic function.

I want human rights, I want equality, I don't want to be evil but I don't want the not well off in my back yard!

Liberal NIMBYism!

Battle of the suburbs in a nutshell!
 

nakedfrog

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Why? Social media is just a descriptor that came along after the propagation of forums. The forum is a place in cyberspace, where registered users can post and discuss with people they know or don't know, just like Facebook or Twitter. This forum is certainly smaller than what people might typically think of when you say social media, but I think we're still in that bucket.
While I agree that it is a form of social media, IMO it seems differentiated by the fact that there's no algorithm driving the content presented to us, in general there's no/very little connection to our actual identities, and there's no real social networking framework in place.
 
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While I agree that it is a form of social media, IMO it seems differentiated by the fact that there's no algorithm driving the content presented to us, in general there's no/very little connection to our actual identities, and there's no real social networking framework in place.
Yes, this is a primitive form of social media. But even before we were brought "the algorithm" on places like Twitter or Facebook, and they just showed the most recent stuff from your friends/follows, that was still, IMO social media.

However, I do agree that if we were talking colloquially about social media, we would mean the big things, like TikTok, Twitter, Facebook, etc.
 

eelw

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A whole lot of democrats will not get it through their thick skulls that we have a binary choice. The choice is Biden or Trump.
Yup same thing here in Canada in like 14-16 months. Sure Harper was right leaning, but all the following party leaders just turning more and more into mini orange monkeys. Like live with a Liberal/NDP coalition or maple MAGA.
 

MrSquished

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A whole lot of democrats will not get it through their thick skulls that we have a binary choice. The choice is Biden or Trump.
Yes a complete lack of empathy to anybody will definitely help reaching out to voters instead of just insinuating they are stupid.

I think you should definitely embrace some get out the vote volunteer work this year with that attitude. You'll do great.

And people wonder why Democrats lose elections they shouldn't. It's not just because of the media it's also because of Democrats themselves. Your attitude encapsulates that quite well.

You seemed better than these pseudo-intellectuals here but I guess everyone has their moments
 

Indus

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It's the Bernie Bros and Stein Stans all over again.

You can't just blame the voters..

The biggest stupidity was by RBG herself giving Trumpistan a scotus seat!

Hopefully there's a wise latina who choose to retire rather than gift away another scotus seat with all her health problems!
 

fskimospy

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I'm not sure who would be willing to pay her large sums for her "political savvy". Considering she's displayed almost zero in quite some time.
I think you will be sadly surprised. They won’t be paying her for future work, they will be using her to signal that ‘right’ voting will be rewarded.
 
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MrSquished

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It's funny because I never disagreed that we have a binary choice.

It's just that the rank and file pseudo intellectuals think that reaching out to anybody not convinced or let alone anybody with legitimate fucked up grievances, like you know, an ethnic cleansing, is beneath them.

Fucking insane.

Imagine comparing having empathy and trying to convince people to vote by acknowledging issues is the same as being a Bernie bro.

I mean the lack of logic and reasoning here is fucking bonkers. When people get like this about their guy it's kind of like a cult.

Bigly sad.
 
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nakedfrog

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It's funny because I never disagreed that we have a binary choice.

It's just that the rank and file pseudo intellectuals think that reaching out to anybody not convinced or let alone anybody with legitimate fucked up grievances, like you know, an ethnic cleansing, is beneath them.

Fucking insane.

Imagine comparing having empathy and trying to convince people to vote by acknowledging issues is the same as being a Bernie bro.

I mean the lack of logic and reasoning here is fucking bonkers. When people get like this about their guy it's kind of like a cult.

Bigly sad.
You're not seeing the forest for the trees, this is not about Biden being "their guy".
Look, it's nice that you're doing the voter outreach, but you're using it as a pedestal and a reason to deride people who are bothered by Democrats voting against their self-interest in much the way they're bothered by low-income Republican voters also voting against their self-interest.
 

GettyRoad

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Voters should not care about genocide overseas.

Biden nor Trump can't fix Israel.

Who the hell cares.

Progressives are stupid because they are too idealistic.

You think Trumpers care about that crap in the Middle East?

What does Israel/Palestine have to do with US?
 

fskimospy

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Voters should not care about genocide overseas.

Biden nor Trump can't fix Israel.

Who the hell cares.

Progressives are stupid because they are too idealistic.

You think Trumpers care about that crap in the Middle East?

What does Israel/Palestine have to do with US?
Trump clearly cares about that crap in the Middle East. This is of course due to his corruption, but whatever.
 

dank69

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She is the political definition of "delusions of grandeur".
Didn't someone convince her that voting against Democrats would propel her to the presidency?

She got paid either way, and she will continue to get paid.
 

Pens1566

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Didn't someone convince her that voting against Democrats would propel her to the presidency?

She got paid either way, and she will continue to get paid.

Yes, it was something laughable like that. No one but her thought it was remotely possible. I think she'll be selling me a book at a Hudson News in Sky Harbor in a few years.
 
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MrSquished

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You're not seeing the forest for the trees, this is not about Biden being "their guy".
Look, it's nice that you're doing the voter outreach, but you're using it as a pedestal and a reason to deride people who are bothered by Democrats voting against their self-interest in much the way they're bothered by low-income Republican voters also voting against their self-interest.

See you have it all wrong. Nobody's actually voted yet. That happens in November. But the people who are these completely Vulcan all logic and lack empathy, they're not going to convince anybody to vote with logic rather than emotion between now and then.

You do realize that if everybody voted logically and not emotionally we would have had no Republican presidencies or congresses in the last many decades?

It's not a pedestal it's basic human decency and understanding The human condition. The goal is to elect Biden, You can't do it by being a Vulcan and deriding people for not totally being on board yet.

Too many people here are in denial of what we have to do between now and November.

You're making way too many assumptions about what will happen to people between now and November. But if you treat them the way these people talk about them here, Y'all might just cost us the election.
 
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