Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

raildogg · Apr 11, 2024

When there is a negotiated settlement of some sort, China's expertise in infrastructure will be needed in Ukraine, along with Chinese capital. We have seen Chinese infrastructure in many countries, such as Pakistan and African countries. It is a good way to develop countries, especially countries victims of Western colonialism.

Gwadar port in Pakistan, airports in Africa, railroads and so many constructive things. Building things, not destroying things. Hope they can do this in Ukraine as well.

raildogg · Apr 11, 2024

The answer to this should be entirely obvious. The US wants Russia to lose, but doesn't want to get in a direct shooting war with a nuclear power. And really, our strategy of supplying Ukraine did catastrophic damage to the Russian Army at very limited expense to the US so it's not like our strategy wasn't effective.

So it is now admitted that US wants to use Ukraine as cannon fodder because it does not want to directly fight Russia?

Create millions of refugees, along with so many casualties so you can use Ukraine to cause damage to Russia?

fskimospy · Apr 11, 2024

raildogg said:
So it is now admitted that US wants to use Ukraine as cannon fodder because it does not want to directly fight Russia?

Create millions of refugees, along with so many casualties so you can use Ukraine to cause damage to Russia?

No, the US wants Ukraine to defend itself if it chooses to in order to deter further Russian aggression. Ukraine has chosen to defend itself. Nothing would make the US happier than if Russia decided to abide by agreements it signed and withdrew from Ukraine tomorrow.

The only country that has created millions of refugees and all the casualties is Russia, and Russia alone. Remember, Russia chose to unprovokedly attack Ukraine. If Russia had not chosen to start a war none of this would have happened. Unfortunately we know that Russia is one of the most warmongering and aggressive countries on Earth.

kage69 · Apr 11, 2024

raildogg said:
I tell you, even if someone thought NATO was good before, now we are seeing total lack of cohesion here. NATO is being shown as a disorganized group of countries bunched up together. If there is war, their lack of common culture and common fighting ability will be revealed.

Your child like ignorance is always amusing to behold; the dedication to denial, to spewing completely incorrect nonsense. Quite the effort.

Wrong again genius. NATO is stronger and more unified now than ever before (thanks Joe Biden), meanwhile Russians keep killing eachother during combat simply becasue they won't or cant' communicate with others. Once again all you're doing is projecting Russian deficiencies onto NATO. lol Is that all you got? You should be insecure about Russia's military, look how much of it is dead already. Bleating wishful thinking that's easily disproven with 4 seconds of google is weak, but that hasn't stopped you yet right?

Your posts regarding politics and warfare, it's like listening to a small child attempt to criticize an unknown concept using vocabulary he doesn't understand. You should really work on that. Being that clueless is no way to go through life, or a forum.

Dave_5k · Apr 11, 2024

fskimospy said:
As per point 1 here China is calling for Russia to fully withdraw from Ukraine. If Russia withdrew the war would be over tomorrow so yes I agree, China's position is a good one.

Yep, can't really argue with the points here, once #1 is done and Russia respects Ukrainian sovereignty, all of the rest of the points will naturally fall in line.

raildogg · Apr 11, 2024

I don't agree with that statement. America is in Syria against wishes of the government, America is in Iraq against wishes of that government, America bombs Yemen while helping Saudi Arabia genocide Yemenis for years. Where the hell did the Muhahadeen become so powerful? How did ISIS grow so big? Why did America use ISIS to go after Assad? Please, many know these answers.

We will not go into all the wars of aggression America has done for decades after they become one of the two superpowers after WW2. But thank you America for creating slave markets in Lybia:

Just another example of America's regime change wars. I could mention many others but this one is a bit recent.

America accusing any country of genocide while it enables Israel is shameful. The world has realized America for what it is and that trust will not be recovered. The Arab world is quiet only because their corrupt leaders are bribed otherwise, America will be facing so much backlash in the Middle East. So much anger against America there for current and past crimes. Not just the Middle East, if you look around the respect America had is all but gone.

Blame your neocon foreign policies and blame your very aggressive foreign policy. Selling weapons is America's main industry it seems.

America bombs, China builds. That's what many believe and I cannot fault them for this.

fskimospy · Apr 11, 2024

raildogg said:
I don't agree with that statement. America is in Syria against wishes of the government, America is in Iraq against wishes of that government, America bombs Yemen while helping Saudi Arabia genocide Yemenis for years. Where the hell did the Muhahadeen become so powerful? How did ISIS grow so big? Why did America use ISIS to go after Assad? Please, many know these answers.

We will not go into all the wars of aggression America has done for decades after they become one of the two superpowers after WW2. But thank you America for creating slave markets in Lybia:

Just another example of America's regime change wars. I could mention many others but this one is a bit recent.

America accusing any country of genocide while it enables Israel is shameful. The world has realized America for what it is and that trust will not be recovered. The Arab world is quiet only because their corrupt leaders are bribed otherwise, America will be facing so much backlash in the Middle East. So many anger against America there for current and past crimes.

America is definitely an aggressive country, and I think that’s bad! Russia is also a highly aggressive country though as shown for basically its entire history. The difference here is when the US invades a country I blame the US for that and when Russia invades a country I blame Russia for that. You, on the other hand, blame the US for both.

This is what I meant earlier when I said you should take a critical look at the propaganda you’re consuming. You’re so steeped in anti-US sentiment you can’t process information outside of that lens so you infantilize Russia so it doesn’t have responsibility for its own actions.

Russia invaded Ukraine without provocation. The results of this invasion are Russia’s fault. In your heart you know this but don’t want to admit it, hence the mental gymnastics where helping someone resist an invasion is the real problem.

Brovane · Apr 11, 2024

raildogg said:
China wants political settlement to Ukraine-Russia conflict and this is a good way to start.

China’s Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis
2023-02-24 09:00
1. Respecting the sovereignty of all countries. Universally recognized international law, including the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter, must be strictly observed. The sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all countries must be effectively upheld. All countries, big or small, strong or weak, rich or poor, are equal members of the international community. All parties should jointly uphold the basic norms governing international relations and defend international fairness and justice. Equal and uniform application of international law should be promoted, while double standards must be rejected.

I think you need to look closer at this and ask yourself who invaded Ukraine?

Young Grasshopper · Apr 11, 2024

outriding said:
Which country invaded who?

Also part of Russias requirement was Ukraine never to join nato.

Ukraine is a sovereign country and can do what ever they want.

-Which country has been shelling ethnic Russians in the Donbass region for 8 straight years prior to this invasion? Ukraine.

-Which country has ADMITTEDLY walked out on not one, but two peace agreements in Minsk 1 and 2? Ukraine.

-Which country has allowed to turns its country which borders Russia into a NATO outpost? Ukraine.

-Which country has allowed itself to host secret 12 CIA bases(according to the NYT) on Russias border? Ukraine.

Love how you guys like to begin the story in Act 3 and never bring up Act 1 or Act 2.

But when it comes to Palestine, you start at Act 1(the decades long conflict between Israel and Palestine) and not Act 3(Oct 7).

You might want to learn the history of this conflict bud. It started way before 2/24/22.

fskimospy · Apr 11, 2024

Young Grasshopper said:
-Which country has been shelling ethnic Russians in the Donbass region for 8 straight years prior to this invasion? Ukraine.

-Which country has ADMITTEDLY walked out on not one, but two peace agreements in Minsk 1 and 2? Ukraine.

-Which country has allowed to turns its country which borders Russia into a NATO outpost? Ukraine.

-Which country has allowed itself to host secret 12 CIA bases(according to the NYT) on Russias border? Ukraine.

Love how you guys like to begin the story in Act 3 and never bring up Act 1 or Act 2.

But when it comes to Palestine, you start at Act 1(the decades long conflict between Israel and Palestine) and not Act 3(Oct 7).

You might want to learn the history of this conflict bud. It started way before 2/24/22.

How about we start in act zero where Russia formally agreed to never violate the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

You gotta crack a history book for once in your life, bud.

kage69 · Apr 11, 2024

Young Grasshopper said:
-Which country has been shelling ethnic Russians in the Donbass region for 8 straight years prior to this invasion? Ukraine.

-Which country has ADMITTEDLY walked out on not one, but two peace agreements in Minsk 1 and 2? Ukraine.

-Which country has allowed to turns its country which borders Russia into a NATO outpost? Ukraine.

-Which country has allowed itself to host secret 12 CIA bases(according to the NYT) on Russias border? Ukraine.

Love how you guys like to begin the story in Act 3 and never bring up Act 1 or Act 2.

But when it comes to Palestine, you start at Act 1(the decades long conflict between Israel and Palestine) and not Act 3(Oct 7).

You might want to learn the history of this conflict bud. It started way before 2/24/22.

So much hate over so such horseshit. I don't think you could tell the truth if your life depended on it.

This would be easier if you weren't a pathological liar bent on giving Russia a free pass for everything, even starting wars and targeting civilians. Fuck you're pathetic.

GodisanAtheist · Apr 11, 2024

I love how Russia basically has no agency in Russobot posts and is basically pulled forward entirely by the actions of everyone else.

Its all America and Ukraine and NATO and literally everyone else except for Russia the innocent bystander that caused Russia to annex Crimea, fund an insurgency east of the Dnipero, and then invade.

raildogg · Apr 11, 2024

America is definitely an aggressive country, and I think that’s bad! Russia is also a highly aggressive country though as shown for basically its entire history. The difference here is when the US invades a country I blame the US for that and when Russia invades a country I blame Russia for that. You, on the other hand, blame the US for both.

I will keep this short: Russia has said it does not want Georgia, Ukraine, etc into NATO for national security purposes.

"At the conclusion of the summit on 4 April, Putin said that NATO's enlargement towards Russia "would be taken in Russia as a direct threat to the security of our country". Following the Bucharest summit, Russian hostility increased and Russia started to actively prepare for the invasion of Georgia."

Every country has certain "rules" and so does America, so does Russia and China and others. China is very defensive when it comes to US interference in Taiwan and SCS and Russia is defensive when it comes to NATO involvement on its borders. Can you respect this or not? That's what it comes down to it. If you cannot respect this, will you be OK with Chinese military bases in Mexico? We know America was not OK with Russia being in Cuba.

fskimospy · Apr 11, 2024

kage69 said:
So much hate over so such horseshit. I don't think you could tell the truth if your life depended on it.

This would be easier if you weren't a pathological liar.

It’s odd that when talking about the events of 2014 in order to justify Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022 he leaves out Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2014. lol.

kage69 · Apr 11, 2024

GodisanAtheist said:
I love how Russia basically has no agency in Russobot posts and is basically pulled forward entirely by the actions of everyone else.

Its all America and Ukraine and NATO and literally everyone else except for Russia the innocent bystander that caused Russia to annex Crimea, fund an insurgency east of the Dnipero, and then invade.

Funny isn't it? NATO is fractured and incompetent and ineffective...but they somehow made Russia invade Ukraine, badly.

Young Grasshopper · Apr 11, 2024

Perknose said:
@Young Grasshopper

The overwhelming majority of the people of Ukraine wish to be free, to rid themselves of Russia's yoke. And they have willingly sacrificed their lives in the tens of thousands resisting Putin's invasion. You have their blood on your hands.

I believe you know as well as I do that there is no peace to be had without Russian defeat, that Vladimir Putin would only honor any peace agreement on Russian terms as long as it suited him to. The Ukrainians know this, as does every other country within Russia's reach.

So, hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilians on all sides have to continue to die for Putin's vainglorious dream of Mother Russian Empire.

Watch out, lest you choke on their blood.

Why are they debating drafting another 500k men(and now women) if they are so valiantly fighting for their country? You’d think thier conscription offices would have lines around them. Truth is these people are getting kidnapped and thrown to the front line. I’m sure you have seen the videos I have posted.

Secondly, Russia has had a peace agreement with Finland since 1940. That’s 84 years of peace. Both countries abided by the agreement, and as a result, 8 decades of peace. Ukraine has now walked out of 3 peace agreements because NATO told them to.

If someone who has advocated for peace for two years has blood on his hands, what does that make the people who have advocated for continued war? Is there even a term for it?

Time to wrap this thing up and end the bloodshed. I know you guys want to ‘stick it to Putin’, but it’s not your life or your country on the brink of collapse. Just accept the fact that NATO used Ukraine as a tool to weaken Russia. It didn’t work and it’s now time to move on.

raildogg · Apr 11, 2024

NATO has missiles, NATO has nuclear weapons, NATO has tanks and other military equipment. Sure they won't be very effective in a large scale war but they can still cause much damage. Even small guerrilla forces cause damage to large militaries and we know that NATO is better than guerrilla forces. Russia does not want this on its borders, simple. If you cannot respect that, then you should be OK with Chinese military and naval bases in Mexico.

Brovane · Apr 11, 2024

raildogg said:
I will keep this short: Russia has said it does not want Georgia, Ukraine, etc into NATO for national security purposes.

"At the conclusion of the summit on 4 April, Putin said that NATO's enlargement towards Russia "would be taken in Russia as a direct threat to the security of our country". Following the Bucharest summit, Russian hostility increased and Russia started to actively prepare for the invasion of Georgia."

Every country has certain "rules" and so does America, so does Russia and China and others. China is very defensive when it comes to US interference in Taiwan and SCS and Russia is defensive when it comes to NATO involvement on its borders. Can you respect this or not? That's what it comes down to it. If you cannot respect this, will you be OK with Chinese military bases in Mexico? We know America was not OK with Russia being in Cuba.

Now both Sweden and Finland are part of NATO, how is that plan working for Russia?

raildogg · Apr 11, 2024

Sweden and Finland are not Ukraine so Russia is OK with that, not pleased, but OK. Different countries have different rules.

Ukraine has a special strategic importance, history has shown this. Yes, you don't like it but can you respect it?

If you don't like it and also cannot respect this rule, let's allow Russia to place hypersonic missiles on Cuba then. After all, Cuba should be allowed to do as it pleases? And let's build 5 Russian military bases in northern Mexico. After all, Mexico should operate independent of US, right?

fskimospy · Apr 11, 2024

raildogg said:
I will keep this short: Russia has said it does not want Georgia, Ukraine, etc into NATO for national security purposes.

"At the conclusion of the summit on 4 April, Putin said that NATO's enlargement towards Russia "would be taken in Russia as a direct threat to the security of our country". Following the Bucharest summit, Russian hostility increased and Russia started to actively prepare for the invasion of Georgia."

Every country has certain "rules" and so does America, so does Russia and China and others. China is very defensive when it comes to US interference in Taiwan and SCS and Russia is defensive when it comes to NATO involvement on its borders. Can you respect this or not? That's what it comes down to it. If you cannot respect this, will you be OK with Chinese military bases in Mexico?

Every country is of course welcome to set whatever rules they want. They also own the consequences of enforcing those rules. If Russia’s rule is that Ukraine must be subservient to them that’s fine, but no one is under any obligation to respect that rule and if Russia invades Ukraine to enforce it that invasion and its consequences are Russia’s responsibility.

Mexico is free to host Chinese bases if they want and I would not support the US invading Mexico for allowing them.

I feel like this is all common sense. You invade a place, you’re responsible.

fskimospy · Apr 11, 2024

Young Grasshopper said:
Why are they debating drafting another 500k men(and now women) if they are so valiantly fighting for their country? You’d think thier conscription offices would have lines around them. Truth is these people are getting kidnapped and thrown to the front line. I’m sure you have seen the videos I have posted.

Secondly, Russia has had a peace agreement with Finland since 1940. That’s 84 years of peace. Both countries abided by the agreement, and as a result, 8 decades of peace. Ukraine has now walked out of 3 peace agreements because NATO told them to.

If someone who has advocated for peace for two years has blood on his hands, what does that make the people who have advocated for continued war? Is there even a term for it?

Time to wrap this thing up and end the bloodshed. I know you guys want to ‘stick it to Putin’, but it’s not your life or your country on the brink of collapse. Just accept the fact that NATO used Ukraine as a tool to weaken Russia. It didn’t work and it’s now time to move on.

You advocated for Russia to withdraw its unprovoked invasion for the last two years? Can you link these posts?

raildogg · Apr 11, 2024

One difference between Mexico example and Ukraine is that a certain coup took place and a certain pro-Western government was installed. Too much meddling going on. Let's assume Russia caused a color revolution in Mexico and overthrew the current regime and installed a pro-Russia regime. Then it built up Mexican forces, etc and wanted to build bases in it. Would you be fine with this?

I can appreciate your openness to peace but I am sure neocons such as John Bolton and Lindsay Graham will be calling to blow up Mexico. They are already talking about bombing Mexico due to cartels, etc! Psychopaths in US government it seems.

That's why I won't and will not blame American people too much. I know they are not maniacal warmongers but many of their leaders are.

Brovane · Apr 11, 2024

raildogg said:
Sweden and Finland are not Ukraine so Russia is OK with that, not pleased, but OK. Different countries have different rules.

Ukraine has a special strategic importance, history has shown this. Yes, you don't like it but can you respect it?

Do you have a specific example of when Russia offered to not invade if Ukraine would formally commit to never joining NATO?

K1052 · Apr 11, 2024

raildogg said:
Sweden and Finland are not Ukraine so Russia is OK with that, not pleased, but OK. Different countries have different rules.

Ukraine has a special strategic importance, history has shown this. Yes, you don't like it but can you respect it?

If you don't like it and also cannot respect this rule, let's allow Russia to place hypersonic missiles on Cuba then. After all, Cuba should be allowed to do as it pleases? And let's build 5 Russian military bases in northern Mexico. After all, Mexico should operate independent of US, right?

Putin: NATO expansion is reason for the war in Ukraine, a country that had not applied to join NATO.

Sweden/Finland: We are joining NATO.

Putin: *incoherent slurred bluster about destruction of the nordics*

Sweden/Finland: Yeah whatever.

Putin: uh we actually didn't care so fine.

fskimospy · Apr 11, 2024

raildogg said:
One difference between Mexico example and Ukraine is that a certain coup took place and a certain pro-Western government was installed. Too much meddling going on. Let's assume Russia caused a color revolution in Mexico and overthrew the current regime and installed a pro-Russia regime. Then it built up Mexican forces, etc and wanted to build bases in it. Would you be fine with this?

The fact that the US did not install a pro-western government aside, the reason Ukraine built up its military is because in 2014 RUSSIA INVADED THEM.

raildogg said:
I can appreciate your openness to peace but I am sure neocons such as John Bolton and Lindsay Graham will be calling to blow up Mexico. They are already talking about bombing Mexico due to cartels, etc! Psychopaths in US government it seems.

That's why I won't and will not blame American people too much. I know they are not maniacal warmongers but many of their leaders are.

So will you now blame Russia for its invasion of Ukraine?

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