Ukrainians say they downed the Tu-22 with an S-200 system missile. Technically possible if very heavily modified but I think more friendly fire to be the most likely explanation.
Lumbering M270 Launchers Just Lobbed Eight ATACMS Rockets With 8,000 Submunitions At A Russian Base In Crimea
The damage from the Tuesday night ATACMS raid was extensive.www.forbes.com
Another American neocon using the words Axis of Evil. Reminds of the "War on Terror" days, whose real name should have been "War of Terror by the USA."
We know how that turned out for victims of US war crimes after Bush used those words to describe North Korea, Iraq and Iran.
I am sure the Iraqis are thankful for the wonderful democracy gifted to them by the US, same goes for Afghans and Lybians and Syrians.
The US didn't have faulty intelligence about Iraq. CHeney, Wolowitz, Rumsfeld, and Bush lied to the US and to the world about the gathered intelligence.The only difference here is that Iraq is many thousands of miles away, US had faulty intelligence, refused to listen to some of the inspectors and was hell bent on retribution after 9/11. Just to mention one of the many key differences here. So America felt threated by a very poor and weak country, made even weaker by US sanctions and brutal war, and used that to create millions of refugees and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people. This is on top of the 500,00 Iraqi children that US sanctions killed.
Damn, look at these American talking points. I think the same type of talking points are used today. What disgusting people.
Still it's pretty funny to see him doing mental gymnastics to explain why the US invading Iraq was so awful (it was!) but when Russia invades Ukraine in a vastly more brutal manner he's like 'well you have to understand Russia felt threatened'.The US didn't have faulty intelligence about Iraq. CHeney, Wolowitz, Rumsfeld, and Bush lied to the US and to the world about the gathered intelligence.
This is an important distinction, and it is not at all controversial. The intelligence community roundly and rightfully spoke out about this manipulation and gross misrepresentation of the work that they did.
The US didn't have faulty intelligence about Iraq. CHeney, Wolowitz, Rumsfeld, and Bush lied to the US and to the world about the gathered intelligence.
This is an important distinction, and it is not at all controversial. The intelligence community roundly and rightfully spoke out about this manipulation and gross misrepresentation of the work that they did.
It is true that if you slapped a US flag on the arm of every Russian soldier in Ukraine @raildogg would immediately go from 'meh' to 'HISTORIC CRIME'.You'll have to excuse the low IQ shill, he's forgotten all his Iraq posts in his haste to suck Putin's dick.
He's still in 'omgwtfNEOCONS!' mode from 20 years ago. Its got such a hold on him that ongoing war crimes just don't matter, the perps would have to have US flags on their arms for him to care.
You know I hate to say it but I don't think he's going to offer an example of the American war crimes I asked for. Supporting an argument with facts just isn't his thing, he's more into denial, stepping on rakes, that kind of thing.
Still it's pretty funny to see him doing mental gymnastics to explain why the US invading Iraq was so awful (it was!) but when Russia invades Ukraine in a vastly more brutal manner he's like 'well you have to understand Russia felt threatened'.
His rubric is simple. If it's a Western aligned country whatever they do is evil. If it's not then it's ok. He has no fixed morals or principles.
Still it's pretty funny to see him doing mental gymnastics to explain why the US invading Iraq was so awful (it was!) but when Russia invades Ukraine in a vastly more brutal manner he's like 'well you have to understand Russia felt threatened'.
His rubric is simple. If it's a Western aligned country whatever they do is evil. If it's not then it's ok. He has no fixed morals or principles.
@raildogg on record justifying the US invasion of Iraq.When a country feels its national security is threatened, it has a right to do something about it. Especially when that country is a major power and has nuclear weapons. It's a serious matter.
It gets better.
US Army ammunition plant catches fire.
It could be a simple accident at the Scranton, PA plant.
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It could be a simple accident.
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Exactly. Ukraine shows precisely why the baltics wanted to join NATO. Look at the last 20 years. Russia has basically six European neighbors. (7 I guess if you count Azerbaijan). Of those six it has invaded two and turned one into essentially a vassal state (Belarus). It doesn't take a genius to realize if you're one of Russia's neighbors you're probably next.Then he acts shocked that countries that are near Russia would want to join NATO because there is a long history of Russians doing terrible things to them.
That quote was from this thread, lol.This is very true, my positions have changed over the years because as people we learn and change our views over time. If you have the same views when you were 15 to when you were 40, then you are doing something strange. I used to be a bit more hawkish on certain matters, I must admit. Nothing I am going to run away from.
You’ll have to excuse him. The lies stack up and he can’t keep them straight anymore.That quote was from this thread, lol.
So how do you feel about Russia's aggressive, ruthless foreign policy and their meddling in other countries and their attempt to overthrow a regime that posed no threat to them? That's bad, right?This is very true, my positions have changed over the years because as people we learn and change our views over time. If you have the same views when you were 15 to when you were 40, then you are doing something strange. I used to be a bit more hawkish on certain matters, I must admit. Nothing I am going to run away from.
You know, if Russia went half way across the world on faulty intelligence to overthrow a regime that posed no threat to it, then I will be very critical of Russia.
To make it quick, I am not a hater of America in any way - I just hate their aggressive and ruthless foreign policy and meddling in other countries. This is the American doctrine after 9/11 and maybe even before then. If this doctrine changes, I will be very glad with that. I still think America is a great place for opportunity, that's why many people want to go there.
Why don’t you quote the posts you are responding too so the context of your post is clear?This is very true, my positions have changed over the years because as people we learn and change our views over time. If you have the same views when you were 15 to when you were 40, then you are doing something strange. I used to be a bit more hawkish on certain matters, I must admit. Nothing I am going to run away from.
You know, if Russia went half way across the world on faulty intelligence to overthrow a regime that posed no threat to it, then I will be very critical of Russia.
To make it quick, I am not a hater of America in any way - I just hate their aggressive and ruthless foreign policy and meddling in other countries. This is the American doctrine after 9/11 and maybe even before then. If this doctrine changes, I will be very glad with that. I still think America is a great place for opportunity, that's why many people want to go there.
This is very true, my positions have changed over the years because as people we learn and change our views over time. If you have the same views when you were 15 to when you were 40, then you are doing something strange. I used to be a bit more hawkish on certain matters, I must admit. Nothing I am going to run away from.
You know, if Russia went half way across the world on faulty intelligence to overthrow a regime that posed no threat to it, then I will be very critical of Russia.
To make it quick, I am not a hater of America in any way - I just hate their aggressive and ruthless foreign policy and meddling in other countries. This is the American doctrine after 9/11 and maybe even before then. If this doctrine changes, I will be very glad with that. I still think America is a great place for opportunity, that's why many people want to go there.
I am justifying US's illegal Iraq invasion? You are wrong here and misquoting something or taking it wrong. In recent history I can't think of anything remotely close to saying that.That quote was from this thread, lol.
Russia is as aggressive as they've ever been and you think this is the time to end NATO. LMAO can't make this shit up.I am justifying US's illegal Iraq invasion? You are wrong here and misquoting something or taking it wrong. In recent history I can't think of anything remotely close to saying that.
Still, I repeat: The main problem with US is its very, very aggressive and ruthless foreign policy and endless meddling in other countries. It acts like the sole hegemon of the world, but thankfully this is changing. I have no issues with American people at all and America is the land of opportunity.
Russia invasion of Ukraine bad? Sure, and NATO aggressive posture and expansion also bad. There is always two sides of a conflict? Can we acknowledge this?
I think at this point NATO needs to be ended because there is no Soviet Union.
Your statement was simple - if a country feels threatened then it has a right to act. It was a general statement about all countries, but it applies to the US as well. The US felt threatened, therefore as per your own words it had a right to act and therefore the Iraq invasion was justified.I am justifying US's illegal Iraq invasion? You are wrong here and misquoting something or taking it wrong. In recent history I can't think of anything remotely close to saying that.
So then presumably you believe Russia's very, very aggressive and ruthless foreign policy and endless meddling in other countries is bad as well, correct?Still, I repeat: The main problem with US is its very, very aggressive and ruthless foreign policy and endless meddling in other countries. It acts like the sole hegemon of the world, but thankfully this is changing. I have no issues with American people at all and America is the land of opportunity.
No, countries voluntarily joining NATO and Russia undertaking a genocidal invasion of its neighbor are not just two sides.Russia invasion of Ukraine bad? Sure, and NATO aggressive posture and expansion also bad. There is always two sides of a conflict? Can we acknowledge this?
This invasion shows exactly why NATO exists. Russia would never have dared invade Ukraine if it were a NATO country.I think at this point NATO needs to be ended because there is no Soviet Union.
If you use the search function you will see mountains of criticism of the US invasion of Iraq and I'm sure more than one call for Bush administration members to be arrested.I see consistency is the key motto with you guys. I am sure you were equally outraged over America's role in Syria, Lybia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and other countries as you are over Russia's role in Ukraine? I don't recall seeing any heavy criticism of US slaughter of millions or calls for arresting Bush, Obama and Trump, etc. Even today, I hardly see much criticism of America here when it actively funds Israeli genocide in Gaza. Let's see some consistency that you require from others. Maybe I am expecting too much.
Regardless, I can't even be sure you guys are genuine in these discussions and inquiries.