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raildogg

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TikTok becoming harder to ignore for Europe's politicians

With the majority of young voters not watching television news or reading the press, and the far-right and the far-left already using TikTok extensively, some politicians are getting around their country's ban on the use of the platform by using the app on separate devices
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Chinese president to visit France, Serbia and Hungary in May

The symbolically-rich trip comes at a crucial time with Russia advancing in Ukraine and escalating trade tensions between Beijing and Brussels.
www.euronews.com

The President of China, Xi Jinping, will visit Europe in around two weeks, where he is expected to make stops in France, Hungary and Serbia.

One reason for the visit is Italy's decision to withdraw - after some hesitation - from China's grandiose New Silk Road programme, which Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni will finalise in Beijing in July.

Rome's decision increases the importance of Hungary and Serbia, lying in central and eastern Europe, if China is to have unimpeded access to the EU by land.

Xi's trip to Paris is part of the annual agenda of the two countries, as French President Emmanuel Macron promised to visit China every year when he was first elected and he would like to see these visits returned by the Chinese number one.

The two world powers want to reach agreements on easing China's trade surplus, the still vexed issue of intellectual and technical rights and reciprocal climate policy steps.

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Despite US pressure, Europe is OK with China, and some countries are increasing their ties with China. Does this mean Eurasia is becoming closer through trade and other links? Possibly. The UK and US will not be happy but the Europeans need trade, energy and big markets.
 
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kage69

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I just hope they keep trying to cross that same tiny bridge to Chasiv Yar. It's a well used kill box with overlapping missile, artillery and drone coverage and so far any Russians who try to use it are swiftly sent to hell.

Hopefully the orcs stick to their standard "Just go that way" grade tactics that stress repetition.
 
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raildogg said:

TikTok becoming harder to ignore for Europe's politicians

With the majority of young voters not watching television news or reading the press, and the far-right and the far-left already using TikTok extensively, some politicians are getting around their country's ban on the use of the platform by using the app on separate devices
www.irishexaminer.com

Also:

Chinese president to visit France, Serbia and Hungary in May

The symbolically-rich trip comes at a crucial time with Russia advancing in Ukraine and escalating trade tensions between Beijing and Brussels.
www.euronews.com

The President of China, Xi Jinping, will visit Europe in around two weeks, where he is expected to make stops in France, Hungary and Serbia.

One reason for the visit is Italy's decision to withdraw - after some hesitation - from China's grandiose New Silk Road programme, which Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni will finalise in Beijing in July.

Rome's decision increases the importance of Hungary and Serbia, lying in central and eastern Europe, if China is to have unimpeded access to the EU by land.

Xi's trip to Paris is part of the annual agenda of the two countries, as French President Emmanuel Macron promised to visit China every year when he was first elected and he would like to see these visits returned by the Chinese number one.

The two world powers want to reach agreements on easing China's trade surplus, the still vexed issue of intellectual and technical rights and reciprocal climate policy steps.

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Despite US pressure, Europe is OK with China, and some countries are increasing their ties with China. Does this mean Eurasia is becoming closer through trade and other links? Possibly. The UK and US will not be happy but the Europeans need trade, energy and big markets.
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Simping for China and Russia. Man you sure do hate countries that are actively committing genocide.
 

kage69

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raildogg said:
Despite US pressure, Europe is OK with China, and some countries are increasing their ties with China. Does this mean Eurasia is becoming closer through trade and other links? Possibly. The UK and US will not be happy but the Europeans need trade, energy and big markets.
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Pretty much opposite from reality, again.

Your ignorance about all things China is almost impressive. Europe is far from ok with China, that's almost as idiotic as you saying longer range weapons are bad for Ukraine, or that $61billion will be useless.

You simply don't know what you are talking about. You can try to cheerlead China and Russia all you want but it doesn't change facts on the ground. Just stop. When the other cyka does it it's funny. When you do it it's just sad, like listening to a kid give a book report on a book he didn't read. If only you weren't so dishonest, so invested in this team sport of yours where Russia commiting war crimes and erasing a neighbor is some kind of victory to you. You sound sick. You should seek help.
 
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raildogg

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Reporting on what is happening vs what you think is happening is not simping LOL. Tell the reporters to stop reporting these things.

Next time a reporter mentions that Scholz goes begging to China, you can accuse him of simping too. But this is what I expect in this forum, especially this thread.
 
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raildogg

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kage69 said:
Europe is far from ok with China
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You really don't know Germany then or the German car industry and how much reliant they are on China.

China remains Germany's most important market for combustion engine cars: Destatis-China International Import Expo

China remained the most important market for German combustion engine cars in terms of volume in 2022 with a share of 14 percent, the Federal Statistical Office (Destatis) said on Thursday.
www.ciie.org

Chinese official says German carmakers continue to expand investment in China, in a ‘vote of confidence’ - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn


German imports grow:

Germany increases imports from China • Table.Briefings

Aktuelle News bei Table.Media rund um das Thema: Germany increases imports from China.
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Europe, especially an industrial and export country like Germany, needs massive trade in order to do well. European consumers are very much importing plenty from China and no signs of otherwise. It makes a lot of sense for Germany to increase ties with China.

The rest of your post is garbage, as usual.
 

kage69

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Educate yourself fool. Maybe one day you won't sound like a moron who just woke up from a decade long coma. Someone didn't tell you about the ongoing spats I guess, China lashing out with threats, intimidation and boycotts. How unsurprising. You really should talk to some Europeans about China, and btw that encompasses a lot more than just Germany.

Yeah, Beijing is doing just great. France won’t tolerate “threats and intimidation” from China. “Neither France nor Europe are doormats," - Clément Beaune

Look, I'm not the one trying to convince the forum that Chinese fortunes are 180 degrees from reality. Globalization as we knew it is pretty much over, China's economy and workforce are no longer attractive. China isn't worth the hassle, and Beijing is pissed to see foreign investments head to Vietnam, India, South Korea and Mexico.

When a country with an economy the size of Italy says No thanks to the BRI, there's no real spinning that but I guess you can try? You don't mind embarrassing yourself here after all, facts don't get in your way right? Tell us why a Russian sized economy rejecting the Chinese economic worldview is really a win for Beijing.

Joe Biden's or Zelenskyy's fault I imagine.
 
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raildogg

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Thank you Mr. Peter kage69 Zeihan. You are world class geopolitical expert and China is finished, any day now. I am sure of it now

(Side point if you don't mind: China is top trading partner of Vietnam and S korea, meanwhile it is second biggest trading partner of Mexico and a big trading partner and biggest importer of India). Meanwhile, Chinese auto exports are just rising to huge levels, it is finding new markets, Africa trade booming, strong relations with Middle East. I won't even mention Asia region which it dominates trade.

China sure has problems no doubt but all countries do. Let's think beyond black and white please. I will acknowledge demographic challenges, aging population, border disputes, real estate market problems to name a few. So let's be realistic and see all sides like this, including the US. We should mention the good and the bad.
 
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kage69

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And we still buy uranium from Russia. So? You really need new cop outs, you've already tried the Zeihan one and it's still lame. I'll take it though, he's a smart guy. I guess that'd make you Vladimir Solovyov.

If you can't dispute the reality of EU and American relations with China, if all you can do is misrepresent facts and play dumb to cheer Russia and China, well then I guess that's all you got. Any day now? No, more like another 40-50 years. Much less for Russia.

So sad this routine of yours, but at least you're predictable.
 
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I have acknowledged some of the weak points of a country like China. Russia has plenty of weak points too. You guys mention them here all the time. Sure, no problem I will go with you. (One thing not weak is the huge Russia-China trade, and thanks to sanctions, a great result for Chinese cars)

Can you ever acknowledge American or EU weak points? We should be fair and look at these things. This is not black and white.

Since you claim I am Russian supporter, I will mention that Russia has plenty of issues, such as demographics, heavy Western sanctions, hardship to trade oil easily due to currency issues, oil cap issues and of course ongoing war. See? We can look at all sides like this and acknowledge them.
 
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raildogg

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Can you give credit to China clean energy? I mean they are the leader by far now in almost every category, including energy, such as renewables. They dominate global electric cars, solar panels, etc. There is no alternative to this.

How China is quietly becoming a renewables powerhouse

China's brown economy is turning green: renewables are booming and now the country is cracking down on emissions reporting fraud.
www.energymonitor.ai

Electric cars:


Yeah they have problems but we cannot think only in black and white please.
 

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raildogg said:
I have acknowledged some of the weak points of a country like China. Russia has plenty of weak points too. You guys mention them here all the time. Sure, no problem I will go with you. (One thing not weak is the huge Russia-China trade, and thanks to sanctions, a great result for Chinese cars)

Can you ever acknowledge American or EU weak points? We should be fair and look at these things. This is not black and white.

Since you claim I am Russian supporter, I will mention that Russia has plenty of issues, such as demographics, heavy Western sanctions, hardship to trade oil easily due to currency issues, oil cap issues and of course ongoing war. See? We can look at all sides like this and acknowledge them.
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I think you need to add attempted genocide against Ukrainians and a long history of being terrible to their neighbors to that list of Russian issues.
 
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raildogg said:
Can you give credit to China clean energy? I mean they are the leader by far now in almost every category, including energy, such as renewables. They dominate global electric cars, solar panels, etc. There is no alternative to this.

How China is quietly becoming a renewables powerhouse

China's brown economy is turning green: renewables are booming and now the country is cracking down on emissions reporting fraud.
www.energymonitor.ai

Electric cars:


Yeah they have problems but we cannot think only in black and white please.
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So to be clear you oppose the Russian genocide against Ukraine, right?

I just want to make sure you are a person of consistent principles. I am sure you are.
 

kage69

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Looks like the ipad is the secret sauce in integrating things like AGM-88 and JDAM to Ukrainian Flankers, pretty cool.



Looks better than the car GPS units Russian were taping into their cockpits, more useful for sure.
 
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kage69

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raildogg said:
Can you give credit to China clean energy? I mean they are the leader by far now in almost every category, including energy, such as renewables. They dominate global electric cars, solar panels, etc. There is no alternative to this.

How China is quietly becoming a renewables powerhouse

China's brown economy is turning green: renewables are booming and now the country is cracking down on emissions reporting fraud.
www.energymonitor.ai

Electric cars:


Yeah they have problems but we cannot think only in black and white please.
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Solar panels are irrelevant here and I hate to break it to you but no one wants Chinese cars. Would you buy a BYD?

Can you give credit to Ukraine? It is kind of the thread topic, this incredible rebuke of the Russian military they've pulled off. If so, now all you have to do is realize China's dominance of solar panels doesn't matter while their wartime support of a genocidal regime certainly does.

You and the other cyka are the only ones here who seem to deal in absolutes, and that's on top of being incredibly ignorant of recent history. Even when the facts were linked for you. Projection and straw do not an argument make, same for your fondness of authoritarianism. You keep trying to present yourself as impartial and objective but that doesn't work after cheering and lying for Moscow and Beijing, for months.

You need to educate yourself, then come back here and try again. Maybe you can find some self-respect along the way.
 
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kage69

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Ha! Gave up on the Europe and China fantasy after looking into it, huh? And now in typical cyka fashion you are trying to substitute bullshit about Asia's views on China instead. See? This is why you're a dishonest coward. Soooo predictable, my god.

I shouldn't bother but what the hell. As of today, 4/26/24, the current population of Asia is 4,779,277,198 - and you think less than 2,000 people polled means something? oh the lulz *inhales* that is some pungent Rail Fail, someone open a window.

Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan, and the Philippines would beg to differ. India too. Do you see Indonesians threatening to sink American vessels in their EEZ? No, you don't. How about the US trying to take the Senkakus from Japan? Or ramming or flooding boats at Second Thomas Shoal? No, you don't. Given China's insane territorial claims, where it's desire for a large backyard overrules their neighbors right to have a front porch, yeah, really time for you to stop munching those old paint chips. Lead does worse things to you than causing crushes on authoritarian regimes, just a heads up.

I digress. You're dumber and more indoctrinated than I thought. And I already thought you were hopeless. I'll say it again: get help.
 
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kage69

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"No water, no food, no shovels for digging in..." "we collect food from the corpses." Life in Avdiivka is not pleasant for orcs. Oh well.




Handcuffing mobiki to a section of railroad so they don't run for it? That must just horrify Russians who care so deeply about how Ukrainian draft dodgers are treated, right?
 
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kage69

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[DHT]Osiris said:
The 3-4M isn't to make the tank awesome, it's to protect the occupants. The west gives a fuck about its people. I know that doesn't really resonate with you.
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In all fairness, modern Abrams, SEPV3s, are indeed around $10million and change. I didn't use that price intentionally because I know that's not what was sent to Ukraine.

Cyka did correct himself but only after being called on it. Perhaps he could break down the value involved when AFU uses $1,000 FPV drones to smoke Pantsirs, Krasukhas and Buks. Last I checked a Pantsir, like the version they sent to Syria, runs about $15million. $80-100million for the Buk. No idea what a Krasukha jamming suite costs but I'll bet it's a lot.

Clowns need to recognize that Ukraine is the value champion here. We're talking about the people who saved their capitol from a "superpower" with Molotov cocktails and small arms, then went on to absolutely decimate the Russian Black Sea fleet with modified jet skis and indigenous missiles. Except for that one tug anyway, which caught a pair of American Harpoons IIRC.
 
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kage69 said:
Clowns need to recognize that Ukraine is the value champion here.
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Not to mention supporting Ukraine is the value position to take. Not supporting them means further expansion from Russia, which means even more costs from everything from weapons to humanitarian aid. If a genie said that Russia taking kyiv will cause the entire country to disappear forever, there might be another equation to balance, but as of now stopping Russia means stopping ww3. There's no version of this where the alternative is palatable.
 
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[DHT]Osiris said:
Not to mention supporting Ukraine is the value position to take. Not supporting them means further expansion from Russia, which means even more costs from everything from weapons to humanitarian aid. If a genie said that Russia taking kyiv will cause the entire country to disappear forever, there might be another equation to balance, but as of now stopping Russia means stopping ww3. There's no version of this where the alternative is palatable.
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This is so blindingly clear that all the short-sighted pig fuckers in the Republican Party ought to be bitch slapped on their way to prison for treason. Any number of young Ukrainian soldiers died so that they could stunt and jive and pander to the Orange Blob on Fox News. I can only hope there's a special kind of hell reserved for these quislings.
 
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