Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

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gothuevos

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Ok so nothing.

Well Haley has already come out and laid the groundwork to make her supporters feel ok about voting for Trump (recent comments about Trump has to earn their support, etc).

I'm not convinced that these never Trumpers will constitute any sort of large or meaningful voting bloc for Biden. They can freely express their discontent with Trump during a non-competitive primary, but most will fall in line for the general.
 
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GettyRoad

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I despise this matchup because there will be a large gender gap too.

American progressivism does not attract males/machismo like progressivism around the world, like Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, etc.

The fact that a large percentage of men will be voting for Trump like they did in 2016/2020 should alarm the left....

The left is the party of labor unions and lunchbucket guys, yet they allow the right to call them effiminate....
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Did you not see the results of every election since then?

Good dress rehearsal, bad opening night!

Heard that saying before?

I want Trump to lose and The MAGA cult needs to be defeated.. so I'm not relaxing just yet!
 
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1. Fuck you're old.

2. Come up with another pick that maximizes base coverage?
Come on, I'm only in my mid 30s.

I don't think Trump would pick her anyway - he wants blind loyalty. Someone that said mean things about him is not going to be on his list.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Come on, I'm only in my mid 30s.

I don't think Trump would pick her anyway - he wants blind loyalty. Someone that said mean things about him is not going to be on his list.

"Trump Insiders Say His 2024 Campaign Is More Disciplined: “This Time, He’s Not Talking to Randos”"


- I am afraid he is handing some of this stuff over to competent people this time around. But otherwise yea, I'd agree.
 

repoman0

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I’m not convinced she’d take it anyway. She has a future in a new slightly less shitty GOP once the Trumptards die off. Not worth tainting that for a useless VP job.
 
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nakedfrog

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"Trump Insiders Say His 2024 Campaign Is More Disciplined: “This Time, He’s Not Talking to Randos”"


- I am afraid he is handing some of this stuff over to competent people this time around. But otherwise yea, I'd agree.
Could there be a clearer sign of his mental decline? Choosing competent people to undertake tasks for him, that's wildly out of character.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Or I guess they are going to have a ticket but I think announcing a slate would be better than announcing a process for picking a slate but I'm no expert lol. Though you know how excited the electorate gets by the mere existence of a hiring committee.

The group is instead expected to debut a formal selection process late next week for potential candidates who would be selected in the coming weeks, the people said.


 
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K1052

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In related news I am moving towards consideration of a process to select advocates to help me stop drinking on the weeknights. My council of house cats will convene a closed plenary session at the Hotel Coronado next week to debate the options and announce their decisions. Those designated will form a committee who will report back with recommendations in 60 days.
 

Indus

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In related news I am moving towards consideration of a process to select advocates to help me stop drinking on the weeknights. My council of house cats will convene a closed plenary session at the Hotel Coronado next week to debate the options and announce their decisions. Those designated will form a committee who will report back with recommendations in 60 days.

How will you know?

Cat bites or Cat buying you:

 

Viper1j

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What kind of person actually votes to live under a dictatorship?

What's wrong with these people?

A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending.​


Let’s stop the wishful thinking and face the stark reality: There is a clear path to dictatorship in the United States, and it is getting shorter every day. In 13 weeks, Donald Trump will have locked up the Republican nomination. In the RealClearPolitics poll average (for the period from Nov. 9 to 20), Trump leads his nearest competitor by 47 points and leads the rest of the field combined by 27 points. The idea that he is unelectable in the general election is nonsense — he is tied or ahead of President Biden in all the latest polls — stripping other Republican challengers of their own stated reasons for existence. The fact that many Americans might prefer other candidates, much ballyhooed by such political sages as Karl Rove, will soon become irrelevant when millions of Republican voters turn out to choose the person whom no one allegedly wants.

For many months now, we have been living in a world of self-delusion, rich with imagined possibilities. Maybe it will be Ron DeSantis, or maybe Nikki Haley. Maybe the myriad indictments of Trump will doom him with Republican suburbanites. Such hopeful speculation has allowed us to drift along passively, conducting business as usual, taking no dramatic action to change course, in the hope and expectation that something will happen. Like people on a riverboat, we have long known there is a waterfall ahead but assume we will somehow find our way to shore before we go over the edge. But now the actions required to get us to shore are looking harder and harder, if not downright impossible.

The magical-thinking phase is ending. Barring some miracle, Trump will soon be the presumptive Republican nominee for president. When that happens, there will be a swift and dramatic shift in the political power dynamic, in his favor. Until now, Republicans and conservatives have enjoyed relative freedom to express anti-Trump sentiments, to speak openly and positively about alternative candidates, to vent criticisms of Trump’s behavior past and present. Donors who find Trump distasteful have been free to spread their money around to help his competitors. Establishment Republicans have made no secret of their hope that Trump will be convicted and thus removed from the equation without their having to take a stand against him.


All this will end once Trump wins Super Tuesday. Votes are the currency of power in our system, and money follows, and by those measures, Trump is about to become far more powerful than he already is. The hour of casting about for alternatives is closing. The next phase is about people falling into line.

In fact, it has already begun. As his nomination becomes inevitable, donors are starting to jump from other candidates to Trump. The recent decision by the Koch political network to endorse GOP hopeful Nikki Haley is scarcely sufficient to change this trajectory. And why not? If Trump is going to be the nominee, it makes sense to sign up early while he is still grateful for defectors. Even anti-Trump donors must ask whether their cause is best served by shunning the man who stands a reasonable chance of being the next president. Will corporate executives endanger the interests of their shareholders just because they or their spouses hate Trump? It’s not surprising that people with hard cash on the line are the first to flip.

The rest of the Republican Party will quickly follow. Rove’s recent exhortation that primary voters choose anyone but Trump is the last such plea you are likely to hear from anyone with a future in the party. Even in a normal campaign, intraparty dissent begins to disappear once the primaries produce a clear winner. Most of the leading candidates have already pledged to support Trump if he is the nominee, even before he has won a single primary vote. Imagine their posture after he runs the table on Super Tuesday. Most of the candidates running against him will sprint toward him, competing for his favor. After Super Tuesday, there will be no surer and shorter path to the presidency for a Republican than to become the loyal running mate of a man who will be 82 in 2028.
 
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Dec 10, 2005
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What kind of person actually votes to live under a dictatorship?

What's wrong with these people?

A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending.​


Let’s stop the wishful thinking and face the stark reality: There is a clear path to dictatorship in the United States, and it is getting shorter every day. In 13 weeks, Donald Trump will have locked up the Republican nomination. In the RealClearPolitics poll average (for the period from Nov. 9 to 20), Trump leads his nearest competitor by 47 points and leads the rest of the field combined by 27 points. The idea that he is unelectable in the general election is nonsense — he is tied or ahead of President Biden in all the latest polls — stripping other Republican challengers of their own stated reasons for existence. The fact that many Americans might prefer other candidates, much ballyhooed by such political sages as Karl Rove, will soon become irrelevant when millions of Republican voters turn out to choose the person whom no one allegedly wants.

For many months now, we have been living in a world of self-delusion, rich with imagined possibilities. Maybe it will be Ron DeSantis, or maybe Nikki Haley. Maybe the myriad indictments of Trump will doom him with Republican suburbanites. Such hopeful speculation has allowed us to drift along passively, conducting business as usual, taking no dramatic action to change course, in the hope and expectation that something will happen. Like people on a riverboat, we have long known there is a waterfall ahead but assume we will somehow find our way to shore before we go over the edge. But now the actions required to get us to shore are looking harder and harder, if not downright impossible.

The magical-thinking phase is ending. Barring some miracle, Trump will soon be the presumptive Republican nominee for president. When that happens, there will be a swift and dramatic shift in the political power dynamic, in his favor. Until now, Republicans and conservatives have enjoyed relative freedom to express anti-Trump sentiments, to speak openly and positively about alternative candidates, to vent criticisms of Trump’s behavior past and present. Donors who find Trump distasteful have been free to spread their money around to help his competitors. Establishment Republicans have made no secret of their hope that Trump will be convicted and thus removed from the equation without their having to take a stand against him.


All this will end once Trump wins Super Tuesday. Votes are the currency of power in our system, and money follows, and by those measures, Trump is about to become far more powerful than he already is. The hour of casting about for alternatives is closing. The next phase is about people falling into line.

In fact, it has already begun. As his nomination becomes inevitable, donors are starting to jump from other candidates to Trump. The recent decision by the Koch political network to endorse GOP hopeful Nikki Haley is scarcely sufficient to change this trajectory. And why not? If Trump is going to be the nominee, it makes sense to sign up early while he is still grateful for defectors. Even anti-Trump donors must ask whether their cause is best served by shunning the man who stands a reasonable chance of being the next president. Will corporate executives endanger the interests of their shareholders just because they or their spouses hate Trump? It’s not surprising that people with hard cash on the line are the first to flip.

The rest of the Republican Party will quickly follow. Rove’s recent exhortation that primary voters choose anyone but Trump is the last such plea you are likely to hear from anyone with a future in the party. Even in a normal campaign, intraparty dissent begins to disappear once the primaries produce a clear winner. Most of the leading candidates have already pledged to support Trump if he is the nominee, even before he has won a single primary vote. Imagine their posture after he runs the table on Super Tuesday. Most of the candidates running against him will sprint toward him, competing for his favor. After Super Tuesday, there will be no surer and shorter path to the presidency for a Republican than to become the loyal running mate of a man who will be 82 in 2028.
What about the desire for reelection, a factor that constrains most presidents? Trump might not want or need a third term, but were he to decide he wanted one, as he has sometimes indicated, would the 22nd Amendment block him any more effectively from being president for life than the Supreme Court, if he refused to be blocked? Why should anyone think that amendment would be more sacrosanct than any other part of the Constitution for a man like Trump, or perhaps more importantly, for his devoted supporters?

The core principle of functioning constitutional democracies is that people actually believe in and try to adhere to and enforce the laws and rules within the confines of norms, be they written on a piece of paper like a constitution, or just working in good faith.

The bigger issue here, and it's touched on in the paragraph I quoted, is that those rules and whatnot are just pieces of paper. They have no inherent power. They only work if people believe in them and want to follow them. If you want to be a bull in a china shop, you can do that too, and it'll work if the people that could stop you choose not to. Republicans have been showing for years that a majority of them would rather have power, even if it means sacrificing democracy to maintain it.
 
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dank69

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Hm, yes, seems legit, an 80 year old white woman that voted for Trump twice is the "median voter".

The thing is, that mindset is extremely dominant among "independents." People who don't have an ingrained hatred of Democrats would not be independent right now. It's easy to say you'll never vote for Trump, but when they are standing there facing the choice of voting for a fucking baby-eating, blood-drinking Democrat, the cognitive dissonance kicks in hard for a LOT of people.
 
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