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MrSquished

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Jan 14, 2013
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Is anyone here stupid enough to think this putz has any redeeming qualities in regards to anything that is related to how we run our society?
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Schiff is a great congressman and Garvey has no chance. It will be a blowout.

Schiff is more than likely going to blow Garvey out of the water.

Schiff is an underhanded lying sack of baboon shit, but he is a politician so ...
 

Viper1j

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I just worry that we cant rely on Trump being the usual emotional dumpsterfire that he used to be, he seems broken to me. You will have a much better "feel" for what Haley supporters will stand for and what not. So. Ok.
I'm praying for the magical hamberder that strokes him into Trump the turnip.

Would you vote for a vegetable for president?
 

Maxima1

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Not a dictatorship, but they absolutely are gunning for flawed democracy.





India's constitution, adopted in 1950, inaugurated the world's oldest and farthest-reaching affirmative action programme, guaranteeing scheduled castes and tribes - the most disadvantaged groups in Hinduism's hierarchy - not only equality of opportunity but guaranteed outcomes, with reserved places in educational institutions, government jobs and even seats in parliament and the state assemblies.

These "reservations" or quotas were granted to groups on the basis of their (presumably immutable) caste identities. The logic of reservations in India was simple: they were justified as a means of making up for millennia of discrimination based on birth.

As more and more people sought fewer available government and university positions, we witnessed the unedifying (and unwittingly hilarious) spectacle of castes fighting with each other to be declared backward: the competitive zeal of the Meena and the Gujjar communities in Rajasthan, castes not originally listed as OBCs, to be deemed more backward than each other would be funny if both sides weren't so deadly serious.

As an uncle of mine sagely observed, "In our country now, you can't go forward unless you're a backward."

The Patels, however, are an unlikely caste to be seeking such recognition: they are in fact dominant in Gujarat, prominent, successful and wealthy beyond their share of 15% of the state's population.

But to suggest that the caste as a whole deserves reservations strikes most people of Gujarat as absurd.

The problem, as all too often in India, is politics.

India's first prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru had hoped that caste consciousness would wither away after Independence, but the opposite has happened.

Because caste was such a powerful source of self-identification, it proved to be a useful tool of political mobilisation in India's electoral democracy: when an Indian casts his vote, he too often votes his caste. Granting sops to various castes proved a major vote-catcher for India's politicians.

The number benefiting from such sops varies from state to state, but has reached extreme proportions in a state like Tamil Nadu, where 69% of government jobs and educational positions are reserved for a range of deprived and disadvantaged castes - so much so that the state has a cottage industry of fake caste certificates for Brahmins seeking to pass themselves off as Dalits, formerly known as untouchables.
Backlash

Inevitably, a backlash has set in, with members of the forward castes decrying the unfairness of affirmative action in perpetuity, and asking whether it is reasonable, for instance, that the daughter of a senior government servant from a backward caste should benefit from reservations while the son of his upper-caste driver or clerk competes for limited unreserved seats.
 

brycejones

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Oct 18, 2005
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Not a dictatorship, but they absolutely are gunning for flawed democracy.





India's constitution, adopted in 1950, inaugurated the world's oldest and farthest-reaching affirmative action programme, guaranteeing scheduled castes and tribes - the most disadvantaged groups in Hinduism's hierarchy - not only equality of opportunity but guaranteed outcomes, with reserved places in educational institutions, government jobs and even seats in parliament and the state assemblies.

These "reservations" or quotas were granted to groups on the basis of their (presumably immutable) caste identities. The logic of reservations in India was simple: they were justified as a means of making up for millennia of discrimination based on birth.

As more and more people sought fewer available government and university positions, we witnessed the unedifying (and unwittingly hilarious) spectacle of castes fighting with each other to be declared backward: the competitive zeal of the Meena and the Gujjar communities in Rajasthan, castes not originally listed as OBCs, to be deemed more backward than each other would be funny if both sides weren't so deadly serious.

As an uncle of mine sagely observed, "In our country now, you can't go forward unless you're a backward."

The Patels, however, are an unlikely caste to be seeking such recognition: they are in fact dominant in Gujarat, prominent, successful and wealthy beyond their share of 15% of the state's population.

But to suggest that the caste as a whole deserves reservations strikes most people of Gujarat as absurd.

The problem, as all too often in India, is politics.

India's first prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru had hoped that caste consciousness would wither away after Independence, but the opposite has happened.

Because caste was such a powerful source of self-identification, it proved to be a useful tool of political mobilisation in India's electoral democracy: when an Indian casts his vote, he too often votes his caste. Granting sops to various castes proved a major vote-catcher for India's politicians.

The number benefiting from such sops varies from state to state, but has reached extreme proportions in a state like Tamil Nadu, where 69% of government jobs and educational positions are reserved for a range of deprived and disadvantaged castes - so much so that the state has a cottage industry of fake caste certificates for Brahmins seeking to pass themselves off as Dalits, formerly known as untouchables.
Backlash

Inevitably, a backlash has set in, with members of the forward castes decrying the unfairness of affirmative action in perpetuity, and asking whether it is reasonable, for instance, that the daughter of a senior government servant from a backward caste should benefit from reservations while the son of his upper-caste driver or clerk competes for limited unreserved seats.
You're going to have provide a lot more to build your case.......
 
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fskimospy

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Schiff is more than likely going to blow Garvey out of the water.

Schiff is an underhanded lying sack of baboon shit, but he is a politician so ...
Nah, he’s good. Also he was willing to stand up and take the heat for impeaching Trump, which was great.
 

Indus

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Nah, he’s good. Also he was willing to stand up and take the heat for impeaching Trump, which was great.

I tend to prefer politicians as they need and value voters.. i.e. they need people to be alive and healthy

vs.

You know death cults that want everyone to die for their nihilistic cause.

Maybe I'm just too direct but at least I tell it like it is!

Q.E.D.
 

MrSquished

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Jan 14, 2013
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Schiff is more than likely going to blow Garvey out of the water.

Schiff is an underhanded lying sack of baboon shit, but he is a politician so ...
Coming from you, this is like a literal enthusiastic endorsement from anybody who has any decency and knowledge of our political institutions and players.

if pcgeek thinks they are this bad, they are probably realy really good. I think it's a fine metric and quite reliable.
 
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GettyRoad

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NY AG Letitia James was booed by FDNY firefighters today at a ceremony, so Dems need to figure out what the hell working class whites see in Trump.

 

brycejones

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NY AG Letitia James was booed by FDNY firefighters today at a ceremony, so Dems need to figure out what the hell working class whites see in Trump.

Fuck off Ivan. Maybe your creator should focus on what stupid Russians see in Putin.
 
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fskimospy

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NY AG Letitia James was booed by FDNY firefighters today at a ceremony, so Dems need to figure out what the hell working class whites see in Trump.

See you keep revealing how you’re not really from the NYC area. If you were you would know the NYPD and FDNY have been republicans for a long time now.
 

GettyRoad

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See you keep revealing how you’re not really from the NYC area. If you were you would know the NYPD and FDNY have been republicans for a long time now.
I am from the NYC area, I was born in NYC. NYPD leans right, but FDNY leans in the middle.

It also shows that the adage that Republicans are "selfish" is a lie. Selfish people don't serve others.
 

fskimospy

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I am from the NYC area, I was born in NYC. NYPD leans right, but FDNY leans in the middle.

It also shows that the adage that Republicans are "selfish" is a lie. Selfish people don't serve others.
lol if you knew a single thing about the NYPD and FDNY you would laugh when you said they aren’t selfish.

I know you claim to be from New York Oblast but you sure don’t act like it.
 

nakedfrog

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I am from the NYC area, I was born in NYC. NYPD leans right, but FDNY leans in the middle.

It also shows that the adage that Republicans are "selfish" is a lie. Selfish people don't serve others.
Oh, I forgot FDNY was entirely a volunteer fire department.
 

Indus

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NY AG Letitia James was booed by FDNY firefighters today at a ceremony, so Dems need to figure out what the hell working class whites see in Trump.


They have it figured out and are fine with it because that's how they get their votes.

Incase you haven't noticed.. 2023 city council elections.. only 1 seat flipped..

 
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GettyRoad

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lol if you knew a single thing about the NYPD and FDNY you would laugh when you said they aren’t selfish.

I know you claim to be from New York Oblast but you sure don’t act like it.
I have some acquaintances who are FDNY and NYPD.......if they were selfish, they won't have gone in those towers.....

But working class people shouldn't be voting for Trump, but they are because they are not getting an alternative.
 

Indus

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I have some acquaintances who are FDNY and NYPD.......if they were selfish, they won't have gone in those towers.....

But working class people shouldn't be voting for Trump, but they are because they are not getting an alternative.
alternative to what?

Simplify!

Think you need to come to terms with.. Trumpism is what they want!
 
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