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feralkid said:

It sort of is, in that none of those issues over 33 years ever made the plane kill everyone on board, unlike certain current Boeing models have done.

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Zorba said:

Just for the record, it's been 5 years. Yeah there are problems that shouldn't be happening, but there was one issue that killed people and it has been corrected. Even if you look at just the safety of the 737Max and 787 you'd still have the safest forms of transportation possible and a significantly better safety record that in the 90s and 00s.

Why aren't you all talking shit about Hyundai that built a ship with single point failures that killed people and is going to cost billions in damages?

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[DHT]Osiris said:

Cuz we're less likely to be on a Hyundai death trap boat than a Boeing death trap aircraft?

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Zorba said:

I just hope you don't ever get into any car.

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Zorba said:

Just for the record, it's been 5 years. Yeah there are problems that shouldn't be happening, but there was one issue that killed people and it has been corrected. Even if you look at just the safety of the 737Max and 787 you'd still have the safest forms of transportation possible and a significantly better safety record than in the 90s and 00s.

Why aren't you all talking shit about Hyundai that built a ship with single point failures that killed people and is going to cost billions in damages?

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feralkid said:

Handwaves 346 dead humans due to corporate corruption; after all "it's been 5 years".

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Zorba said:

The A300 killed almost that many people because Airbus was too stupid to limit the authority to the rudder at speed, something Boeing has done since the first hydraulicly powered rudders.

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Zorba said:

One issue killed those people over 5 years ago. You make it sound like new Boeing aircraft are falling out of the sky constantly.

Obviously that should never have happened, but it has not been a recurring issue. Also not like older Boeing, McDonnell Douglas, and Airbus aircraft didn't have their share of problems. The DC-10 killed way more people due to shitty design than the Max, as an example. The A300 killed almost that many people because Airbus was too stupid to limit the authority to the rudder at speed, something Boeing has done since the first hydraulicly powered rudders.

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igor_kavinski said:

The point is, we are supposed to be in the modern era where engineers are better trained and they have a lot more advanced tools at their disposal to guarantee safety. But safety considerations were ignored purely out of greed due to imbeciles running the show. Whatever happened 5 years ago, should never have happened in the first place and there is absolutely nothing Boeing can do to fix that. Everyone involved who was criminally negligent or forced others to overlook concerns, should be in jail for life. Period.

There cannot be a safety culture at Boeing unless everyone there knows that culprits will face serious consequences. Right now, they are like, oh wow, we sort of ran over a puppy in the driveway. Heehee, sorry. Won't happen again.

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[DHT]Osiris said:

But the cause of that accident is recurring, because it's embedded into the culture of the company. The issues that resulted in those planes going down started in a board room, and in the heads of people who will never set foot on one of their own aircraft (or at least not one of these poor people sky buses). I reject the idea that I should be uncaring about such a small issue as a plane falling out of the sky, when the decision makers for that plane were so uncaring about my life.

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Zorba said:

Regardless, aviation is safer today than it has ever been.

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Zorba said:

Also keep making excuses for the hundreds of lives lost due to Airbus mistakes.

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igor_kavinski said:

In general, probably yes. But don't tell me that you wouldn't be a little nervous getting onto a Boeing plane these days. Who knows how many other flaws remain to be uncovered, especially in the newly delivered planes. How long before the next disaster strikes?

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igor_kavinski said:

https://www.barrons.com/articles/boeing-planes-jets-safety-issues-e575d82c

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Yes, Boeing has more incidents because there are more flights with Boeing planes. Shouldn't that make them more responsible or is it normal for the leader in this industry to just give up on safety and let things run their natural course coz airlines have no choice and must keep using the planes they already paid millions or billions for?

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Zorba said:

That graph is pretty biased, by far more US flights are Boeing than those other manufacturers. So yes you'd expect more incidents on the aircraft doing more flights, this is like people arguing the Concord was the safety airliner ever when it really just never flew. Also "incident" has a very broad definition that could be anything from a flat tire to a in flight shut down.

But based on your graph, why are you bashing Boeing when Bombardier and Embraer have far less flights and just as many incidents?

Further nearly all freighters are Boeing aircraft which tend to have a higher incident rate.

I'd like to see worldwide data normalized by flight hours. Even then, the average age of Boeing aircraft is higher than Airbus for multiple reasons, including just being the number one deliveries until the early aughts and freighters being old as hell.

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sdifox said:

You mean like how Boeing didn't have anything to compete with Bombardier C Series so they got the government to do their dirty work, resulting in Bombardier selling it to Airbus? Bombardier exited commercial air business after that. Bombardier spent 6B on that program.

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Zorba said:

Not at all what I was saying, but oh well. All of you keep shitting on Boeing, while ignoring that more people will be killed on roads today in the US than have ever been killed by a Boeing Max aircraft (most due to decisions made by DOTs and car manufacturers, knowing it's the less safe design).

Keep posting every time a Boeing aircraft 50% past it's designed service life has a flat tire while ignoring the major fuck ups happening weekly with ATC that have very nearly resulted in major collisions. Ignore that Pratt engines on the A320 and A220 are the least reliable engines in 40 years, yet these aircraft maintain ETOPS cert. And please keep ignoring it when shit falls off Airbus aircraft, because that only matters if it's a Boeing plane.

Also keep making excuses for the hundreds of lives lost due to Airbus mistakes.

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iRONic said:

Ain't none of you motherfuckers EVER getting on another plane REGARDLESS of who built it if you fucking knew what we occasionally had to do at the gate or in the cockpit to MEL shit to get a flight off on time!!!

Shitlol

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brycejones said:

Duct tape, chewing gum and some wire strands it’s all good.

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iRONic said:

Ain't none of you motherfuckers EVER getting on another plane REGARDLESS of who built it if you fucking knew what we occasionally had to do at the gate or in the cockpit to MEL shit to get a flight off on time!!!

Shitlol

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Paratus said:

It’s called. SPEED TAPE.

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