Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Jaskalas

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That sounds like bullshit. Got a link?
For India specifically, I hear of them buying oil.
I am not aware of reports indicating exports to Russia. Unlike Iran, China, and North Korea.
Heck, a lot of Europe is still supplying Russia through third parties in western and central Asia.

So, you're right that India may not deserve to be on that list.
But doing business with Russia, any business, is still a problem. Cannot isolate and reduce an opponent if the borders remain open and they have trade partners.
So while Ukraine deletes the Russian oil industry, NATO needs to produce 150 million bombs so Ukraine can delete the Russian soldiers.
 

kage69

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This doesn't seem to be in keeping with isolating Russia.



I'm asking about supplies, not sales or R&D. Hasn't India given up on Russian weapon exports for the most part? Moscow doesn't inspire confidence, not with their production or designs. India has actually scaled back it's oil purchases from Russia recently, but yes did ink some military deals with Moscow. Since then oil sales are down ads are banking avenues. That deal was more a move to keep Moscow's attention and favor while China, India's biggest concern, becomes Russia's sugardaddy in almost all ways. Just trying to stay on the radar, have their interests addressed.

Given Russia is draining it's economy to prop up a shattered military, that it can't afford a real AF or Navy, and that it's R&D has been crippled by sanctions, I wouldn't hold your breath expecting those agreements to produce much. You will see India purchase French Rafales and subs however, one of the more noteworthy customers France swiped from Russia.

At least they sent Ukraine a quantity of artillery shells that one time. They should do more of that.
 
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you2

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So for less than $50k, I could have anti-drone capability for my home? Hmm.
Nice idea but property laws in usa is stupid. If you destroy someone's drone over your own property you are responsible for the damages (to the drone). go figure.
 

kage69

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No, they just don't talk about it. Whole thing was whitewashed in ritual glorification of their victory. The only person of major import to actually note it afterwards was I think Khrushchev in his memoirs. He did so at length and extensively praised both the volume and quality of US products, reinforcing how absolutely essential they were to the Soviet war effort.

This. Khruschchev dgaf.

The only other reference to this I can think of was in Chuck Yaeger's book, where he talked about meeting old Soviet pilots and they were so thankful. Toasted FDR, Studebaker 6x6s, and the P-40 Kittyhawk, which although meh by US standards, was strangely much loved by the Russians. Or was the P-39, I forget, one of them. They "didn't think it was a dog" was the way he put it I think.

Pretty amazing to think there was a time when the US sent Russia 12,000 tanks. We sent them a lot of locomotives and rail cars for them too, which I mean that alone right there given Russia's size...

The US helped the Soviet Union stay alive in WWII, then we helped kill it with Afghanistan and expenses. Then America compounds this by having the temerity to not think about Russians much at all.

Yeah, in my experience the reaction among Russians ranges from mild denial to aggressive disagreement, that can border on despondancy. My kids have a friend whose mother is from Russia. She and I don't talk anymore. Real shame, had a great pelmini source. Now I'd be scared to eat anything she prepped.
 
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feralkid

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This.

The only other reference to this I can think of was in Chuck Yaeger's book, where he talked about meeting old Soviet pilots and they were so thankful. Toasted FDR, Studebaker 6x6s, and the P-40 Kittyhawk, which although meh by US standards, was strangely much loved by the Russians. They "didn't think it was a dog" was the way he put it I think.

Pretty amazing to think there was a time when the US sent Russia 12,000 tanks.
Did you not mean P-39?

Bell Airacobra
 

kage69

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Did you not mean P-39?

Bell Airacobra

Yeah I had second thoughts right after I posted that, then edited, then saw your reply. I'd have to go find his book to be sure. Russia got both models, used both effectively so I guess it doesn't matter much in the long run. Not exactly Mustangs and Corsairs, though having a 37mm onboard is pretty cool.
 

itsmydamnation

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Yeah I had second thoughts right after I posted that, then edited, then saw your reply. I'd have to go find his book to be sure. Russia got both models, used both effectively so I guess it doesn't matter much in the long run. Not exactly Mustangs and Corsairs, though having a 37mm onboard is pretty cool.
i have never seen the P-39 described as a bad aircraft. it had a 1300mi combat range and really high ceiling and most overlooked centre mounted machine guns which made if very effective in air to air combat. P-39 is the unsung hero of the pacific campaign.
 

gorobei

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Yeah I had second thoughts right after I posted that, then edited, then saw your reply. I'd have to go find his book to be sure. Russia got both models, used both effectively so I guess it doesn't matter much in the long run. Not exactly Mustangs and Corsairs, though having a 37mm onboard is pretty cool.
the soviets got a little bit of everything during lend lease: P-40s, p-47, P-39, P-63, spitfire, hurricanes, a-20, b-25, c-47, M4 sherman and M3 lee. the british stuff was their old worn out planes whereas the US was sending brand new units. the reliability of the american stuff was effectively light years ahead of the soviet units. the Lagg-3 was nicknamed the flying coffin due to it killing more pilots in landing/takeoff vs those lost in combat.
i have never seen the P-39 described as a bad aircraft. it had a 1300mi combat range and really high ceiling and most overlooked centre mounted machine guns which made if very effective in air to air combat. P-39 is the unsung hero of the pacific campaign.
the airacobra and kingcobra were saddled with the allison engine which never had the sought HP at altitude. the US sent them to russia where most of the combat was at lower altitude so there were no issues.
 
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feralkid

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the soviets got a little bit of everything during lend lease: P-40s, p-47, P-39, P-63, spitfire, hurricanes, a-20, b-25, c-47, M4 sherman and M3 lee. the british stuff was their old worn out planes whereas the US was sending brand new units. the reliability of the american stuff was effectively light years ahead of the soviet units. the Lagg-3 was nicknamed the flying coffin due to it killing more pilots in landing/takeoff vs those lost in combat.

the airacobra and kingcobra were saddled with the allison engine which never had the sought HP at altitude. the US sent them to russia where most of the combat was at lower altitude so there were no issues.
Thanks, I knew it was something like bad engine pairing, not a bad aircraft, per se.

As a side note, the P-51 mustang originally was fitted with an allison; if not for the British Merlin, it would have had a very different outcome.
 
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gorobei

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more info on the turtle tanks, including video from the driver's position. there are tank and ifv versions, but some of tank types are equipped with mine clearing rollers. so primarily breaching units where the tank leads and the ifvs follow the treadmarks. the chicken coop version has its own charm.

perun goes over the history of infield mods/applique and the when and wherefore: lack of firepower or enhanced survivability, the placebo affect, and actual effectiveness. while copium back in 2022, in 2024 it is sufficient vs the small drone strats of Ukraine.
it isnt strictly a russian thing. the allied tankers stuck sandbags/cement/spare treadlinks on the front of their tanks in ww2. seems israel is using factory cages to counter drone dropped bombs. the US did ad hoc mods while in afghanistan.
 

gorobei

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Thanks, I knew it was something like bad engine pairing, not a bad aircraft, per se.

As a side note, the P-51 mustang originally was fitted with an allison; if not for the British Merlin, it would have had a very different outcome.
the allison was actually ok but was hurt by 1930's thinking. the army never thought that combat would take place much above 20000 ft so they didnt tune the engine or the supercharger for those altitudes. the jump in engine tech changed everything in a very short timeframe. the allison does fine at 20k ft but needs a 3 stage supercharger or a turbo supercharger like the one on the p-47. the german bf-109 had a similar problem in that they were tuning the performance for 10k-30k ft and the p-51 and p-47 were expected to cover the bombers at 40k ft.

allison eventually got a better supercharger worked out but the war was basically over by then.
 

you2

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Thanks, I knew it was something like bad engine pairing, not a bad aircraft, per se.

As a side note, the P-51 mustang originally was fitted with an allison; if not for the British Merlin, it would have had a very different outcome.
As it is today the Russians jsut supplied the endless man power with no concern for the multitude of 'peasant' deaths. I'd hate to have a war with China - they are a lot like the Russians with 10x the man power.
 

Perknose

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i have never seen the P-39 described as a bad aircraft. it had a 1300mi combat range and really high ceiling and most overlooked centre mounted machine guns which made if very effective in air to air combat. P-39 is the unsung hero of the pacific campaign.
Actually, operational altitude was it's Achilles heel, due to the space constraints of it's mid-engine design. No room for a really good turbo-supercharger. It was well suited for how the Russians used it, though.
 

kage69

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i have never seen the P-39 described as a bad aircraft. it had a 1300mi combat range and really high ceiling and most overlooked centre mounted machine guns which made if very effective in air to air combat. P-39 is the unsung hero of the pacific campaign.

It failed in it's intended role in the West, or wasn't a good match for the tactics might be a better way of putting it. I shouldn't have used the word strange. I noticed the export version, to the Brits at least, was downgraded to 20mm cannon and the .30s were put in the wings. Booo. Not sure where you are getting those numbers. P-39s were noted for their short range. I just checked wiki and it says for the latest Q model it was 525mi. Like Perk mentioned, the lack of a turbocharger (also presence of smallish wings) meant that while it could make it to up to 35k ft, it might take awhile and it wasn't doing much once there. Thin air bad. Little cobra definitely stayed under 15k ft. Tiny wings make for nimble fighters though. As a rule I generally approve of nimble things with hammers. A 37mm will wreck anything that flies, plus most things that were on the ground in the 40s.

Not sure which flavor the Russians got, but the P-39s abilities were up to the sorties they were running. I always thought they looked pretty slick myself.
 
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cytg111

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Reaching for half a million dead comrades. For nothing.

There is going to be so many cheap whorehouses in Russia in a few years.
 

trenchfoot

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the soviets got a little bit of everything during lend lease: P-40s, p-47, P-39, P-63, spitfire, hurricanes, a-20, b-25, c-47, M4 sherman and M3 lee. the british stuff was their old worn out planes whereas the US was sending brand new units. the reliability of the american stuff was effectively light years ahead of the soviet units. the Lagg-3 was nicknamed the flying coffin due to it killing more pilots in landing/takeoff vs those lost in combat.

the airacobra and kingcobra were saddled with the allison engine which never had the sought HP at altitude. the US sent them to russia where most of the combat was at lower altitude so there were no issues.

No supercharger, no thin air is what I recall from a visit to the Air Museum at Ford Island.
 

Young Grasshopper

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They all must have had heart attacks while walking towards Kharkov with zero resistance:


“There was no first line of defence. We saw it. The Russians just walked in. They just walked in, without any mined fields” he says.
He shows me video from a drone feed taken a few days ago of small columns of Russian troops simply walking across the border, unopposed.
He says officials had claimed that defences were being built at huge cost, but in his view, those defences simply weren’t there. “Either it was an act of negligence, or corruption. It wasn’t a failure. It was a betrayal”.

Man you guys believe anything Ukraine tells you without questioning it don’t you? In two days, Russia took more territory than Ukraine did in all of 2023. And here I was thinking Russia goal was just to create a buffer zone with this new offensive. Due to zero defensive lines around Kharkov, they may just take the entire city at some point.
 

jman19

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It’s probably somewhere like 1/8 to 1/10th that number as deaths. That stat is casualties.
 
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