Yes, we have seen this movie before. The defining aspect of this war is that neither side can establish air superiority. The US would not have that problem, to put it mildly.
Yes, we have seen this movie before. The defining aspect of this war is that neither side can establish air superiority. The US would not have that problem, to put it mildly.There would be losses, but they would be limited since air superiority would be established very quickly and after that the Russian front lines would begin to crumble. With Western air superiority, Russia would simply be unable to have effectual logistics.
The US would not commit ground troops to combat without effective air support. It would be political suicide inside the US.All that being said there is a reason why the situation is what it is and that is this "MAD dance" ... If you were to simply roll over Russian troops you'd get nukes.
If we want western boots on the ground I suspect they'd have to dig into the same trenches as UKR forces with limited air support.
I get that, I am not so sure about all European countries though.The US would not commit ground troops to combat without effective air support. It would be political suicide inside the US.
We might someday choose the half loaf of just doing limited air strikes or establishing a no fly zone but if we are putting the army and marines into direct combat we are going all the way.
I get that, I am not so sure about all European countries though.
God these people are pathetic:
You guys are supporting these clowns right?
LMAO
He hasn't taken any of the hundred or so off-ramps the West provided so far, I don't know why he'd take this one.It actually gives Putin an out. If Estonia goes in, Poland and France probably will as well. And then Putin can claim that Russia was fighting NATO the whole time, and despite this they have still cleared Ukraine of most of the Nazi affiliated military forces.
Mission accomplished!
Losses of Crimea and the Donbas is a heavy loss, but the prize of no more Nazi's in Ukraine is an acceptable outcome.
Ehh... I'm daydreaming...
All that being said there is a reason why the situation is what it is and that is this "MAD dance" ... If you were to simply roll over Russian troops you'd get nukes.
If we want western boots on the ground I suspect they'd have to dig into the same trenches as UKR forces with limited air support.
Fighting under a hostile sky is suicide. That lesson was hammered home in the Iraq war. With drones in the sky it's even worse.I get that, I am not so sure about all European countries though.
The US would not commit ground troops to combat without effective air support. It would be political suicide inside the US.
We might someday choose the half loaf of just doing limited air strikes or establishing a no fly zone but if we are putting the army and marines into direct combat we are going all the way.
This is complete nonsense. US has never, ever faced a remotely "modern" adversary on the battlefield, so you cannot judge any potential air superiority potential. Even tiny Serbia with heavily outdated and vastly underpowered army was able to shoot down a state of the art, cutting edge F-117A Nighthawk during the Bill Clinton bombings.Yes, we have seen this movie before. The defining aspect of this war is that neither side can establish air superiority. The US would not have that problem, to put it mildly.
Another lover of peace chimes in.This is complete nonsense. US has never, ever faced a remotely "modern" adversary on the battlefield, so you cannot judge any potential air superiority potential. Even tiny Serbia with heavily outdated and vastly underpowered army was able to shoot down a state of the art, cutting edge F-117A Nighthawk during the Bill Clinton bombings.
However, you may personally feel on the matter, in case of Russia, any judgements should be reserved, as Russia is not fighting Ukraine in Ukraine. They are fighting the whole world. I doubt ANY country, including US could achieve any air superiority if it was fighting the whole world. All factors considered; Russia is making titanic strides. Only someone completely uneducated, would deny that if not for the immense, incalculable amounts of outside aid, Ukranian regime would fall a long time ago.
However, you may personally feel on the matter, in case of Russia, any judgements should be reserved, as Russia is not fighting Ukraine in Ukraine. They are fighting the whole world.
Only someone completely uneducated, would deny that if not for the immense, incalculable amounts of outside aid, Ukranian regime would fall a long time ago.
This is complete nonsense. US has never, ever faced a remotely "modern" adversary on the battlefield, so you cannot judge any potential air superiority potential. Even tiny Serbia with heavily outdated and vastly underpowered army was able to shoot down a state of the art, cutting edge F-117A Nighthawk during the Bill Clinton bombings.
However, you may personally feel on the matter, in case of Russia, any judgements should be reserved, as Russia is not fighting Ukraine in Ukraine. They are fighting the whole world. I doubt ANY country, including US could achieve any air superiority if it was fighting the whole world. All factors considered; Russia is making titanic strides. Only someone completely uneducated, would deny that if not for the immense, incalculable amounts of outside aid, Ukranian regime would fall a long time ago.
Another lover of peace chimes in.
The amount of aid is incalculable except for all the press releases detailing exactly what arms have been sent.
Lol
Be ye Tankie, or Russkie?This is complete nonsense.
Lol - a single US plane shot down 30 years ago is your cope? Thats just sad.This is complete nonsense. US has never, ever faced a remotely "modern" adversary on the battlefield, so you cannot judge any potential air superiority potential. Even tiny Serbia with heavily outdated and vastly underpowered army was able to shoot down a state of the art, cutting edge F-117A Nighthawk during the Bill Clinton bombings.
Russia is fighting Ukraine and a mixture of a small number of modern NATO systems and a lot of old cast offs.However, you may personally feel on the matter, in case of Russia, any judgements should be reserved, as Russia is not fighting Ukraine in Ukraine. They are fighting the whole world. I doubt ANY country, including US could achieve any air superiority if it was fighting the whole world. All factors considered; Russia is making titanic strides. Only someone completely uneducated, would deny that if not for the immense, incalculable amounts of outside aid, Ukranian regime would fall a long time ago.
But, but....CCCP Forever.Lol - a single US plane shot down 30 years ago is your cope? Thats just sad.
Russia is fighting Ukraine and a mixture of a small number of modern NATO systems and a lot of old cast offs.
If Russia were fighting the US you would know it. Russians tell themselves they are fighting the whole world because they don’t want to admit their army has been exposed as corrupt and incompetent. Easier to pretend you’re fighting the mighty US instead of accepting that you lost the war to a bunch of guys with our light antitank launchers.
You are so desperately outclassed. Trust me, you don’t want to find out just how badly.
The Russians are desperately struggling to counter our HIMARS and Ukraine has like a few dozen at most. The US fields hundreds and soon more than a thousand. Russia was very proud of destroying one of Ukraine’s 30 outdated Abrams tanks. The US has like 6,000.But, but....CCCP Forever.
A direct US intervention in Ukraine would take at most a week. The 2yr+ performance of "modern" russian capabilities has not been impressive in any way, shape, or form.
And yet, the US sits on the sidelines for two years while their ‘ally’ gets crushed. Interesting how they can dismantle the Russian army ‘in a week’, yet refuse to do so. I wonder why?
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Yes yes. Trump math will get you there 100%.This is complete nonsense. US has never, ever faced a remotely "modern" adversary on the battlefield, so you cannot judge any potential air superiority potential. Even tiny Serbia with heavily outdated and vastly underpowered army was able to shoot down a state of the art, cutting edge F-117A Nighthawk during the Bill Clinton bombings.
However, you may personally feel on the matter, in case of Russia, any judgements should be reserved, as Russia is not fighting Ukraine in Ukraine. They are fighting the whole world. I doubt ANY country, including US could achieve any air superiority if it was fighting the whole world. All factors considered; Russia is making titanic strides. Only someone completely uneducated, would deny that if not for the immense, incalculable amounts of outside aid, Ukranian regime would fall a long time ago.
Oh good. You're still here /s.And yet, the US sits on the sidelines for two years while their ‘ally’ gets crushed. Interesting how they can dismantle the Russian army ‘in a week’, yet refuse to do so. I wonder why?
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In other news, how about these dragon teeth?
Just dumped them along the side of the road LOL.