Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Friendly reminder that Russia has approximately the same number of troops in two days as the US lost in Afghanistan did in 20 years. Wonderful little war they've hitt going on.
 

outriding

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This is complete nonsense. US has never, ever faced a remotely "modern" adversary on the battlefield, so you cannot judge any potential air superiority potential. Even tiny Serbia with heavily outdated and vastly underpowered army was able to shoot down a state of the art, cutting edge F-117A Nighthawk during the Bill Clinton bombings.

However, you may personally feel on the matter, in case of Russia, any judgements should be reserved, as Russia is not fighting Ukraine in Ukraine. They are fighting the whole world. I doubt ANY country, including US could achieve any air superiority if it was fighting the whole world. All factors considered; Russia is making titanic strides. Only someone completely uneducated, would deny that if not for the immense, incalculable amounts of outside aid, Ukranian regime would fall a long time ago.

When you say titanic strides. Do you mean the loss of their flagship in the Black Sea?



Or the fact Russia lost 1/3 of their Black Sea fleet?



Titanic indeed
 

fskimospy

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When you say titanic strides. Do you mean the loss of their flagship in the Black Sea?



Or the fact Russia lost 1/3 of their Black Sea fleet?



Titanic indeed
The Black Sea Fleet is so mighty they are just showcasing their ability to act as submarines.
 
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K1052

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When you say titanic strides. Do you mean the loss of their flagship in the Black Sea?



Or the fact Russia lost 1/3 of their Black Sea fleet?



Titanic indeed

Going to be amusing when the Russians are buying new landing ships from the Chinese in a few years because they can't build them.
 

you2

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Friendly reminder that Russia has approximately the same number of troops in two days as the US lost in Afghanistan did in 20 years. Wonderful little war they've hitt going on.
Yes but Russian lives are so miserable they don't care if they die.
 

kage69

Lifer
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This is complete nonsense. US has never, ever faced a remotely "modern" adversary on the battlefield, so you cannot judge any potential air superiority potential. Even tiny Serbia with heavily outdated and vastly underpowered army was able to shoot down a state of the art, cutting edge F-117A Nighthawk during the Bill Clinton bombings.

I feel like if you knew more about that event you wouldn't be presenting it as clear cut proof of anything, assuming you aren't another 'blame the US always' troll. That F117 was brought down by a shrewd AD commander who observed patterns, then basically took a blind shot with his fingers crossed. It worked, that one time. You act like it was open season on Nighthawks. Perspective, you need it.
 
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K1052

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Yes but Russian lives are so miserable they don't care if they die.

This dynamic does present an opportunity which the quite a few European states have recognized. Every Russian that is killed with their arms/munitions in Ukraine is one less Russian they'll ever have to face in a subsequent conflict. Potentially more if you wanna account for the demographic impacts.
 
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Ajay

Lifer
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A coalition force could probably CAP everything west of the Dnipro without much risk. A ground deployment of support personnel in the far west would be a realistic option. Get Poland and Romania to scoot AD to their borders and then deploy additional systems to create a fairly large bubble in Ukraine's border oblasts.
Been hoping for this at past 18 mos. Completely reasonable. Putin and Putin's dog would cry that the west was attacking Russia, supporting nazis and threaten nukes. Bluster, bluster, bluster. Time to call his bluff.
 

Jaskalas

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pmv

Lifer
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Not that I care either way, but apparently that's a photoshop.


Same uniform as Zhukov in the picture here

 
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cytg111

Lifer
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How can you not love Russians?

This could have been my crew

It's just that one fucking idiot.

I mean, this might be 25-30% above what we would have done... BUT STILL


These are my brothers. And we are at war. Putin why?
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Zeihan here suggesting that the shakeup in leadership is a net positive for the Russian Was Machine.




Shoigu is out right.
Shoigu is a Putin bestie since forever, incompetent or not.
Andrei Belousov sounds to be cheering the party line, no doubt, but still - not as tight as old buddy Shoigu.
All I am saying is watch this space.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
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Zeihan here suggesting that the shakeup in leadership is a net positive for the Russian Was Machine.
A man who likely has strong fundamentals in the economics needed to fuel the war machine over an extended period of time.
It is preparation for decades of war.
 

Paratus

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Not that I care either way, but apparently that's a photoshop.


Same uniform as Zhukov in the picture here

I noticed that when I posted a meme of Zhukov under the pic of the new Russian MoD. I was wondering if it was a shop or just the outfit they all wear.
 

kage69

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Yeah, like I told one of the cyka awhile ago, I was happy with Shoigu stayin put. The only thing that guy has ever done with any measure of proficiency is steal.

It's hard not to be an improvement over that, but at least the new guy shares Shoigu's complete lack of military experience. I'm sure the rank and file just love that.
 

kage69

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Something spicy went down in the UK. Brits caught the Russians spying, have expelled a Russian intel officer as well as closed a bunch of Russian owned properties and put new restrictions on diplomatic visas. 5 other people nabbed.

Telegraph scuttlebutt from "an intelligence source" the other day mentioned how Putin has the GRU trying to get right wing terrorists in NATO countries to attack and sabotage infrastructure, war relevent facilities.

Hope the FBI is all over it, sure sounds like Putin to me.
 

gorobei

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Ryan McBeth debunks russian disinformation attempt:
picture of TEL on chinese flatbed to 'demonstrate' UKR reselling the weapons to 3rd party. very good mockup that he got an actual patriot battery operator to go over. hydraulics instead of screw deployed stabilizers, no generator, no nest of wires, wrong cable connections. potentially some sort of movie prop.

looks like the russian plan b is to keep trying to agitate the low-info crowd into believing the US money/equipment is being wasted so we should stop funding. probably a long term sort of play for the flatulent don to win the election and stop aid.
 
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