Ok that's a bit of a question then: if Zen 5 LP is going to be clocked a lot lower and/or have a lot less instructions, how is it going to be "totally invisible" exactly?Halo is 16c, you can't see or feel the LP cluster.
Noone is training models on laptops. I made a post earlier on a trend of Macbooks with 128GB+ of ram being used to run inference locally on 70b models;Power consumption is of course higher because there's far more hardware. The memory bandwidth is better too. That and if its in a separate workstation machine or server that you're remoted into, you don't have a laptop that you can't really use because it's trying to train a model.
The more I think about it, the more silly trying to use a laptop for this seems. Model training can take hours or days depending on what you're doing. That's not something that I'd want to do on a laptop. The battery will only last for an hour working at full load and there's no reason that you can't just SSH into a workstation that is training your model while you have a long-lasting laptop that's just a front end.
Made that way.Why would it technically not work? Kepler already explained how the OS scheduler would work.
No, I've said 4+8 and 4+4 configs are premium ULT and mainstream.You said Zen5LP only in "Premium ultrathin and mainstream".
Pretty obvious huh.No. So can we have a yes/no from you on whether you think there will ever be b.L on AMD DT?
No.
To idle.To what purpose? Add cost to no benefit?
Because they don't exist if USRs are powered on and compute tiles are not asleep.Why would it not work on MT workloads?
No. The purpose is idle. Sub 1w@core idle.That's the whole purpose of the little cores. Max MT perf, at best perf/W, at lowest die area, at lowest cost of CPU.
VCN hello.such as video transcoding
That's what 16 big C are for, plus that's 1t-sensitive too.compiling source code
no because that's not how OS active standby works.When idle, nothing is needed, except wakeup logic. Rest is power gated.
to idle better.So if you say the LP cores only exist when idle, they are waste, and then why waste die space on them?
grandpa please, this isn't 2001. Modern DVFS is fast, particularly the AMD one.Cause it sounds like a hard job to have both no latency at all and to not activate the fat cores unless strictly necessary.
Actually disagree on that: a ton of mobile chips are already ported to mini PCs and those will increasingly replace traditional desktops in a ton of places."Also, you're ruling b.L and LP cores on DT ever from AMD?"
Isn't that obvious?
NUC TAM hasn't shifted in ages.a ton of mobile chips are already ported to mini PCs and those will increasingly replace traditional desktops in a ton of places.
NUC TAM hasn't shifted in ages.
What are you on?
I'm on observing that laptops in a lot of companies are essentially an extra piece of screen on top of a mini PC, that gets plugged into a dock, which gets plugged into one or two monitors.NUC TAM hasn't shifted in ages.
What are you on?
Them ain't doing too hot either.AIOs, however have. Mobile Cezanne is used a fair amount there.
Well yeah that's the point.I'm on observing that laptops in a lot of companies are essentially an extra piece of screen on top of a mini PC, that gets plugged into a dock, which gets plugged into one or two monitors.
You have no clue.I do expect corpos to slowly start phasing the lappies out as their mobility is not really worthwhile.
Neither do you, just a big mouth.You have no clue.
Maybe some NUCs replace desktops for the home user but that's not exactly a big market. Sure some NUCs have laptop chips, so technically if you count NUCs some will have a LP island but it's not going to be a segment you make a chip for and it's pretty small.AIOs, however have. Mobile Cezanne is used a fair amount there.
Probally use the same board as the laptops.
Cool I'll just enter the room with my NUC and set up the screen, just give me a minute need to find the power. Oh can someone pass me that keyboard just need to plug that in, there we go, mouse plugged in, lovely yeah ready to go. What?I'm on observing that laptops in a lot of companies are essentially an extra piece of screen on top of a mini PC, that gets plugged into a dock, which gets plugged into one or two monitors.
The lappy itself is of questionable value except as a take-in to meetings where there's already 5000% too many electronics in the room and just one microphone/camera/manager's lappy is enough.
I do expect corpos to slowly start phasing the lappies out as their mobility is not really worthwhile.
esoteric cope but I allow it.Neither do you, just a big mouth.
It's more situational than is thought is my point. The laptop I mean.Cool I'll just enter the room with my NUC and set up the screen, just give me a minute need to find the power.
Come on that's not even good sarcasm. At least try for real.Oh can someone pass me that keyboard just need to plug that in, there we go, mouse plugged in, lovely yeah ready to go. What?
Cool, I'll allow your big mouth too.esoteric cope but I allow it.
It's more situational than is thought is my point. The laptop I mean.
There's people who have no point in NOT having one, but there's also a lot where the opposite happens.
It mostly depends on the actual workload you do IMO, most marketers wouldn't live without a tiny lappy, most engineers were just annoyed to go around with fat things that they just wanted to leave at the desk.
I think we'll see a steady climb of NUCs as time goes on.
Come on that's not even good sarcasm. At least try for real.
I bet you wrote those unfunny lines without a twinge of a smile on your face.
Cool, I'll allow your big mouth too.
Them ain't doing too hot either.
Yeah but it's mostly trad OEM DT, not AIOs.Well.. Corpos have to be buying something, given that Intel still does $2B in revenue a quarter.
It mostly depends on the actual workload you do IMO, most marketers wouldn't live without a tiny lappy, most engineers were just annoyed to go around with fat things that they just wanted to leave at the desk.
NUCs are a niche of B&M shops - you really don't need mobility at a front desk. However, you need *some* mobility at nearly any other position.
* Being at home office for a day -> laptop
* Attending a meeting -> laptop
* Solving a cross-team project issues -> laptop
* Working from an office cafe/lounge -> laptop
* Being on a business trip -> laptop
* Holding an on-call at home -> laptop
* Giving a presentation -> laptop
* Commuting & working -> laptop
And no, shared laptops bring pain. Being unfamiliar with the device kills the efficiency.
Not only that, they are mostly forbidden (save very niche cases) for security reasons.NUCs are a niche of B&M shops - you really don't need mobility at a front desk. However, you need *some* mobility at nearly any other position.
* Being at home office for a day -> laptop
* Attending a meeting -> laptop
* Solving a cross-team project issues -> laptop
* Working from an office cafe/lounge -> laptop
* Being on a business trip -> laptop
* Holding an on-call at home -> laptop
* Giving a presentation -> laptop
* Commuting & working -> laptop
And no, shared laptops bring pain. Being unfamiliar with the device kills the efficiency.
The only use case I can think of for NUC's is as driver of presentations for window display screens. Everywhere else, it's better to get a laptop or a proper PC.Not only that, they are mostly forbidden (save very niche cases) for security reasons.