Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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Gideon

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Matching 16 core Zen3 Threadripper is crazy! That thing has a 280W TDP and over 200GB/s bandwidth from 8-channel DDR4.
Easy now, from the same results:

  • 7845HX gets 356.92 - this is a chiplet-based 12 core (repurposed desktop) CPU (1 result in database)
  • 7700X (desktop) gets 269.02 (24 results)
  • 7940HS gets 224.22 (16 results)
  • 7840U gets 216.09 (1 result) and 153.31 (for 5 results) not sure why they are separate
  • 8840U gets 205.62 (1result)

So in the end it all depends on what TDP that chip was running at. Let's not forget it's a 12 core chip.

These numbers are very-very impressive numbers if configured for a TDP of a 15 - 28W U level chip (e.g. 7840U).
Not so much so for a 35-54W HS chip (as it's only about 20% faster than a 7940HS with 50% more cores)
 
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poke01

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Easy now, from the same results:

  • 7845HX gets 356.92 - this is a chiplet-based 12 core (repurposed desktop) CPU (1 result in database)
  • 7700X (desktop) gets 269.02 (24 results)
  • 7940HS gets 224.22 (16 results)
  • 7840U gets 216.09 (1 result) and 153.31 (for 5 results) not sure why they are separate
  • 8840U gets 205.62 (1result)

So in the end it all depends on what TDP that chip was running at. Let's not forget it's a 12 core chip.

These numbers are very-very impressive numbers if configured for a TDP of a 15 - 28W U level chip (e.g. 7840U).
Not so much so for a 35-54W HS chip (as it's only about 20% faster than a 7940HS with 50% more cores)
Before I can offer some input, what’s the difference with a Zen5 and Zen5c core?

I know they are the same architecture but what’s different about them?
Thanks
 

DisEnchantment

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Easy now, from the same results:

  • 7845HX gets 356.92 - this is a chiplet-based 12 core (repurposed desktop) CPU (1 result in database)
  • 7700X (desktop) gets 269.02 (24 results)
  • 7940HS gets 224.22 (16 results)
  • 7840U gets 216.09 (1 result) and 153.31 (for 5 results) not sure why they are separate
  • 8840U gets 205.62 (1result)

So in the end it all depends on what TDP that chip was running at. Let's not forget it's a 12 core chip.

These numbers are very-very impressive numbers if configured for a TDP of a 15 - 28W U level chip (e.g. 7840U).
Not so much so for a 35-54W HS chip (as it's only about 20% faster than a 7940HS with 50% more cores)
Similar to the GB5 results, FP/vector ops seems to not have as much gain as the rest.
Likely locked microcode/boost is inhibiting full perf, otherwise the FP speedup seems kind of mediocre if not stagnant.
 
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Abwx

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That would mean lower IPC than Zen2, which I think is a bit unlikely

That s an ES, and likely with configurable TDP, so without specification about the TDP used for this run the only sure info is that they have chips that could sustain 3.8GHz base frequency, wich btw is likely the c cores max frequency.
 

deasd

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Computerbase has results of efficiency tests like 7900X(45w) and 7950X(45w)


Both 7900X(45w) and 7950X(45w) are 20-30% slower than a stock 7700X(105w) under blender test.

So yes, I can only say the leaked STX sample(45w?) is 20-30% faster than 7900X(45w) and 7950X(45w).

Ryzen 7 7700X
DDR5-5200CL32
10:40
Ryzen 9 7950X (45 W)
DDR5-5200CL32
12:45
Ryzen 9 7900X (45 W)
DDR5-5200CL32
13:42

Also, the leaked STX sample seems to be the same as the old 1.4-2.0Ghz one running Geekbench (100-000000994-14_N)


the new one 100-000000994-38_N seems to have 3.8Ghz stock frequency
 
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Abwx

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Easy now, from the same results:

  • 7845HX gets 356.92 - this is a chiplet-based 12 core (repurposed desktop) CPU (1 result in database)
  • 7700X (desktop) gets 269.02 (24 results)
  • 7940HS gets 224.22 (16 results)
  • 7840U gets 216.09 (1 result) and 153.31 (for 5 results) not sure why they are separate
  • 8840U gets 205.62 (1result)

So in the end it all depends on what TDP that chip was running at. Let's not forget it's a 12 core chip.

These numbers are very-very impressive numbers if configured for a TDP of a 15 - 28W U level chip (e.g. 7840U).
Not so much so for a 35-54W HS chip (as it's only about 20% faster than a 7940HS with 50% more cores)

All those references are meaningless since TDP is unknown for all these parts excepted for the 7700X.

Using this CPU as reference and assuming that cores power is 125W then Strix Point has something like 20% better perf/clock if the run was made at 45W, this as an estimation based on power/frequency curves, assuming power scales at an average 2.8 power of frequency between 80 and 125W and 2.36 average between 45 and 80W.

FI computerbase measured the 7700X as 26% faster in Blender than a 7940HS at around 70-90W, their run over 100s display about 85W but Blender test last much more at 800s and they state that the CPU end running at 70W.

If we extrapolate from the Computerbase test, and using the 70W lower bound to not overestimate the calculation, then this Strix Point ES perform 26% better than a 7940HS@70W and about 52% better than a 7940HS@45W, so assuming a run at 45W that would make 1.52x the perf with 1.5x the core count, and this would also imply 20% better perf/clock.

 

adroc_thurston

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If we extrapolate from the Computerbase test and using the 70W lower bound to not overestimate the calculation then this Strix Point ES perform 26% better than a 7940HS@70W and about 52% better than a 7940HS@45W, so assuming a run at 45W that would make 1.52x the perf with 1.5x the core count, and this would also imply 20% better perf/clock
You're close!
Very close.
 

inquiss

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All those references are meaningless since TDP is unknown for all these parts excepted for the 7700X.

Using this CPU as reference and assuming that cores power is 125W then Strix Point has something like 20% better perf/clock if the run was made at 45W, this as an estimation based on power/frequency curves, assuming power scales at an average 2.8 power of frequency between 80 and 125W and 2.36 average between 45 and 80W.

FI computerbase measured the 7700X as 26% faster in Blender than a 7940HS at around 70-90W, their run over 100s display about 85W but Blender test last much more at 800s and they state that the CPU end running at 70W.

If we extrapolate from the Computerbase test, and using the 70W lower bound to not overestimate the calculation, then this Strix Point ES perform 26% better than a 7940HS@70W and about 52% better than a 7940HS@45W, so assuming a run at 45W that would make 1.52x the perf with 1.5x the core count, and this would also imply 20% better perf/clock.

Does that account for 4 of the cores being zen5c?
 
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