Constitutional? Louisiana about to pass law requiring 10 Commandments be displayed in public schools

BurnItDwn · May 21, 2024

They should be allowed to post their Commandments as long as they also post the 7 Fundamental Tenants of the Satanic Temple.

THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS

I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

pete6032 · May 21, 2024

Why do the Christians want Hebrew laws from the old testament displayed in schools?

IronWing · May 21, 2024

BurnItDwn said:
They should be allowed to post their Commandments as long as they also post the 7 Fundamental Tenants of the Satanic Temple.

THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

Well, shit, I'm a Satanist.

WelshBloke · May 21, 2024

pmv said:
Wow, that is a spectacularly disingenuous argument from that Republican Rep.
Presumably they are doing this now because they believe this Supreme Court will find some pretext to uphold it?

I bet it's by the same people who would shit out their spleen in anger if there was a rainbow poster in an infants school!

Stokely · May 21, 2024

Gotta love how the Satanist literature is always more intelligent and logical than the Christian/Islamic/whatever stuff.

There was some push to put Christian booklets into schools years ago here (FL) and the Satanic Church used the same law to put their own book up for circulation iirc. It actually was much better than the Christian one--but mainly I'm just grateful that the end result was getting that propaganda out of public schools.

Mind you, I think all of it including the Satan stuff is as real as Lord of the Rings. Nobody is stopping religious people from having their beliefs and meeting in church to celebrate them, despite all their whining. They are the ones trying to put their spiritual wang down and getting upset when people don't want it in their face. I'm sure there was similar gnashing of teeth way back in Greece when all the Zeus believers started losing membership when people realized fucking lightning wasn't a god throwing a spear. Eventually if we survive we'll grow out of this nonsense, hopefully. In the meantime, believe what you want but keep it in your pants and in your home and your church. Fuck off out of public schools.

interchange · May 21, 2024

SCOTUS has allowed it in courtrooms but on a case by case basis. However, there is some legal connection and history to the 10 commandments being in courtrooms that doesn't really apply to schools. Hard no on this one.

sdifox · May 21, 2024

Ajay said:
If you want to take a simplistic view of it, sure.

Either the Bible is from God or it is not. If it is then explain the inconsistencies and editing. The Christian God is supposed to be omnipotent and omnipresent. Surely he could have prevented inconsistencies in His Book.

Meghan54 · May 21, 2024

sdifox said:
Either the Bible is from God or it is not. If it is then explain the inconsistencies and editing. The Christian God is supposed to be omnipotent and omnipresent. Surely he could have prevented inconsistencies in His Book.

Heck, if you want to go that far, have original sin explained. As for what the Bible says, God created the circumstances for it to happen and was not man’s failure nor responsibility at all.

nakedfrog · May 21, 2024

Ajay said:
It's has to be read in light of later scriptures, particularly the word of Jesus in the gospels. Jesus show that these 'other gods' are things like love of money, materialism, adultery , etc (basically the vices). These things lead a person away from giving their whole self to God and become a form of idolatry.

Bloody retcons

nakedfrog · May 21, 2024

Stokely said:
Gotta love how the Satanist literature is always more intelligent and logical than the Christian/Islamic/whatever stuff.

There was some push to put Christian booklets into schools years ago here (FL) and the Satanic Church used the same law to put their own book up for circulation iirc. It actually was much better than the Christian one--but mainly I'm just grateful that the end result was getting that propaganda out of public schools.

Mind you, I think all of it including the Satan stuff is as real as Lord of the Rings. Nobody is stopping religious people from having their beliefs and meeting in church to celebrate them, despite all their whining. They are the ones trying to put their spiritual wang down and getting upset when people don't want it in their face. I'm sure there was similar gnashing of teeth way back in Greece when all the Zeus believers started losing membership when people realized fucking lightning wasn't a god throwing a spear. Eventually if we survive we'll grow out of this nonsense, hopefully. In the meantime, believe what you want but keep it in your pants and in your home and your church. Fuck off out of public schools.

You're probably thinking of The Satanic Temple, which is not a theistic organization (they don't believe in a literal Satan or any deity), the Satanic Church is the older "Church of Satan" who aren't the activists working against Christian dominionists, they're mostly sort of a hedonistic "fuck you, got mine" organization (but they also don't believe in a literal Satan).

Ajay · May 21, 2024

sdifox said:
Either the Bible is from God or it is not. If it is then explain the inconsistencies and editing. The Christian God is supposed to be omnipotent and omnipresent. Surely he could have prevented inconsistencies in His Book.

Oh yes. George Carlin - right up there with St Thomas Aquinas as one of the greatest philosopher/Theologians of the ages.

sdifox · May 21, 2024

Ajay said:
Oh yes. George Carlin - right up there with St Thomas Aquinas as one of the greatest philosopher/Theologians of the ages.

Both were good are making things up.

Ajay · May 21, 2024

HomerJS said:
Righties love to preach about their beliefs. Almost all of them they don't practive or really believe, except tac cuts for the rich and conservative justices.

The latest example is Harrison Butker. He gave a commencement speech where he basically told the female graduates they wasted their time getting a degree because the greatest job is just getting married and having kids.

Agree or disagree but people did some digging and discovered his mother obtained an advanced degree and is a medical psychist who earns a great living allowing Harrison to have the lifestyle he lived.

Once again hypocrite the nth degree.

Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker wants women to be homemakers. Does that include his physicist mother?

The Kansas City kicker has come under fire for his sexist commencement speech attacking working women, despite his mother’s accomplished career.

www.msnbc.com

Saw the MSNBC piece on Butker's speech. Here's a quote from his speech:

“How many of you are sitting here now, about to cross this stage, and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are going to get in your career? Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world,” Butker said. “But I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.”

Probably more than some, but - he was speaking to students that chose to go to a very traditional catholic university! The entire US wasn't the rest of his audience. He wasn't suggesting that you should consider his thesis. This speech probably would have gone unnoticed if Butker wasn't a Super Bowl winning NFL place kicker. World goes mad over one speech.

Ajay · May 21, 2024

sdifox said:
Both were good are making things up.

In that case, I suggest you follow Jesus, rather than George Carlin. He has a much, more more compelling 'story' than Carlin. Then again, a lot of people have seen Carlin's comedy routine. Very few people have read Aquinas, Agustine, von Bathasar, Scott Hann or any number of past and present theologians.

IronWing · May 21, 2024

Ajay said:
In that case, I suggest you follow Jesus, rather than George Carlin. He has a much, more more compelling 'story' than Carlin. Then again, a lot of people have seen Carlin's comedy routine. Very few people have read Aquinas, Agustine, von Bathasar, Scott Hann or any number of past and present theologians.

Thomas was okay but Augustine was whack, Andrew Dice Clay to George Carlin.

[DHT]Osiris · May 21, 2024

IronWing said:
Well, shit, I'm a Satanist.

Most people are, they just don't realize it.

[DHT]Osiris · May 21, 2024

Meghan54 said:
Heck, if you want to go that far, have original sin explained. As for what the Bible says, God created the circumstances for it to happen and was not man’s failure nor responsibility at all.

You also can't square omniscience with free will. If God is omniscient, we're just remote controlled ants in a farm.

[DHT]Osiris · May 21, 2024

Ajay said:
In that case, I suggest you follow Jesus, rather than George Carlin.

Prove he existed and we'll talk taters. If I wanted crowdsourced moral codes I'd look to the satanic temple first, they're at least logically consistent.

JD50 · May 21, 2024

[DHT]Osiris said:
You also can't square omniscience with free will. If God is omniscient, we're just remote controlled ants in a farm.

And when you throw in all loving and all powerful, you can't square "kids with cancer" and the millions of other horrible things that go on in this world. It's absurd really.

Ajay · May 21, 2024

[DHT]Osiris said:
You also can't square omniscience with free will. If God is omniscient, we're just remote controlled ants in a farm.

How is that? The will and the intellect are separate. Though, by reason, the will should follow the intellect. Humans allow their will to be dictated by emotion and defects in the intellect - unlike God.

[DHT]Osiris · May 21, 2024

JD50 said:
And when you throw in all loving and all powerful, you can't square "kids with cancer" and the millions of other horrible things that go on in this world. It's absurd really.

You can at least handwave that bullshit under 'God's plan' for the rubes. You will never convince me that free will doesn't exist, because that means random as a concept doesn't exist, and we can prove that empirically.

[DHT]Osiris · May 21, 2024

Ajay said:
How is that? The will and the intellect are separate. Though, by reason, the will should follow the intellect. Humans allow their will to be dictated by emotion and defects in the intellect - unlike God.

If God is omniscient that means he knows what we will do and when, aka our behavior is deterministic and predetermined. It's absurd at the outset.

Ajay · May 21, 2024

[DHT]Osiris said:
If God is omniscient that means he knows what we will do and when, aka our behavior is deterministic and predetermined. It's absurd at the outset.

No it's not. As God is not confined by the space-time reality we exist in, he sees all events in the present moment. If I know, by some means, that you are going to crash your car tomorrow, that in no way implies that I caused it.

fskimospy · May 21, 2024

JD50 said:
And when you throw in all loving and all powerful, you can't square "kids with cancer" and the millions of other horrible things that go on in this world. It's absurd really.

I think this famous quote covers it pretty well:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

fskimospy · May 21, 2024

Ajay said:
No it's not. As God is not confined by the space-time reality we exist in, he sees all events in the present moment. If I know, by some means, that you are going to crash your car tomorrow, that in no way implies that I caused it.

If God is responsible for the entirety of creation and knew the exact results of every action within that creation with certainty when he made it then he is undeniably the cause of everything that happens in it.

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