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zinfamous

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Nice democracy you have there, Murica.

what's an illegal protest?

also, since when does POTUS have authority to expel students at public and private universities?

maybe @pcgeek11 or @Greenman can comment on this complete overtake of federal power? Surely that's what they meant by "small government" when they happily voted for the first US King, right?
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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Jesus how do these fucking morons still support this piece of shit?

FYGM, primarily, and also 7+ decades of being groomed by evangelical Reagan republicans that experts are the enemy. That knowledge and efficiency and selfless, effective work from people trained to do complex jobs is anti-American, and worse: anti-god.

These people are fucking ghouls. Their so-called leaders are coming for them soon, though, so they'll get a nice dose of what they never knew that they wanted. I think their gamble, though, is that they will be dead before they have the suffer the consequences of their persistently shit decisions.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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If I were in the US I wouldn't be taking any commercial flights in the near future.

It's not critical yet because there are overlaps but yeah I expect things that don't have any redundancy to start breaking randomly across the government in the near future.
 
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RalphTheCow

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Doesn't have to be violent, that organization could have been drowned in the bathwater when it was still a baby. There's been plenty of times when various members of our legislative or judicial branch could have taken care of it.
Hmm, just curious what you mean? Sounds great!
 

Udgnim

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It's really hard for me not to foresee the US falling into a state of increasing civil unrest due to a mix of deteriorating social services, increased unemployment, higher inflation, stolen tax money (sovereign wealth fund / crypto reserve), and whatever else

I just hope that the unrest gets targeted at the Trump administration because the GOP / social media algos / bot networks are going to attempt to steer it elsewhere towards things like culture wars, "adversarial" foreign nations, or painting the left as traitors

and I hope there is still a democratic process that can offer a possible return to normalcy
 
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RalphTheCow

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If I were in the US I wouldn't be taking any commercial flights in the near future.
That will do wonders for the economy. So this is what Trump voters wanted, the total trashing of the US economy? He did campaign on a lot of it, but certainly not all of it. But of course enough of it to make any sane person say hell no.

I guess Elon was in before the vote so that was at least in the open.
 
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K1052

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It's really hard for me not to foresee the US falling into a state of increasing civil unrest due to a mix of deteriorating social services, increased unemployment, higher inflation, stolen tax money (sovereign wealth fund / crypto reserve), and whatever else

I just hope that the unrest gets targeted at the Trump administration because the GOP / social media algos / bot networks are going to attempt to steer it elsewhere towards things like culture wars, "adversarial" foreign nations, or painting the left as traitors

and I hope there is still a democratic process that can offer a possible return to normalcy

Most people I've seen know where to assign blame (Elon and Trump). Right wing influencers are trying to blame the "Biden economy" for what's happening and that dog is not hunting so far. Government employees who've been fired know who is doing it. Same with companies dealing with tariff fallout.
 

pmv

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It's not critical yet because there are overlaps but yeah I expect things that don't have any redundancy to start breaking randomly across the government in the near future.

Yeah, the trouble is the effects are going to appear slowly over time (unfortunately, from the perspective of assigning responsibility and doing anything about it before its too late).

Will probably be things like this - faulty taxiway lights, that nobody ever bothered to fix, so everyone got used to ignoring red lights, ground-radar was supposed to have been installed but wasn't, etc...

 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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It's really hard for me not to foresee the US falling into a state of increasing civil unrest due to a mix of deteriorating social services, increased unemployment, higher inflation, stolen tax money (sovereign wealth fund / crypto reserve), and whatever else

I just hope that the unrest gets targeted at the Trump administration because the GOP / social media algos / bot networks are going to attempt to steer it elsewhere towards things like culture wars, "adversarial" foreign nations, or painting the left as traitors

and I hope there is still a democratic process that can offer a possible return to normalcy

Well here austerity (which was a similar phenomenon, but conducted on a far more controlled, rational, and constitutionally-correct, basis) almost certainly contributed to Brexit happening. So expect something similar (or probably worse) to come out of Doge-matism.
 
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The damn republicans need to get their shit together and impeach and convict this idiot.
That will almost certainly never happen, but it is still worth calling for it, and elites and media outlets should be calling for it. Republicans have agency, and they should be repeatedly called out for not exercising it. It's how public opinion can be made to shift.
That includes the FAA? Does that mean that, say, if there's a radar system or something, that is failing and needs to be replaced, it won't be?
Yep. It's pure stupidity: Musk implementing his totally nonsense zero-budget approach to make everyone justify every single expense. Nothing says efficiency like making people spend hours and hours justifying everything they need to do their job.
 
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Most people I've seen know where to assign blame (Elon and Trump). Right wing influencers are trying to blame the "Biden economy" for what's happening and that dog is not hunting so far. Government employees who've been fired know who is doing it. Same with companies dealing with tariff fallout.
The influencers are never going to win here: the median voter is a moron and anything wrong, rightly or wrongly, always gets blamed on the person/party in charge. Good thing Republicans have a trifecta so that they can take the full blast. (Just also need other disgruntled people to focus on the real problem of Republicans instead of always directing maximum energy at "why didn't the Dems stop this?")
 
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RalphTheCow

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That will almost certainly never happen, but it is still worth calling for it, and elites and media outlets should be calling for it. Republicans have agency, and they should be repeatedly called out for not exercising it. It's how public opinion can be made to shift.

Yep. It's pure stupidity: Musk implementing his totally nonsense zero-budget approach to make everyone justify every single expense. Nothing says efficiency like making people spend hours and hours justifying everything they need to do their job.
This really makes me want to read the Isaacson biography of Musk. I think I know most of the Tesla story is that he basically stole it from the founders, but did he add any value? I know zilch about his other companies.

I did read Insanely Great, the biography of Steve Jobs written by Isaacson and I thought it was pretty good.
 

K1052

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This really makes me want to read the Isaacson biography of musk. I think I know most of the Tesla story is that he basically stole it from the founders, but did he add any value? I know zilch about his other companies.

I did read Insanely Great, the biography of Steve Jobs written by Isaacson and I thought it was pretty good.

Character Limit is probably more pertinent to what is going on now.
 
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RalphTheCow

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Character Limit is probably more pertinent to what is going on now.
If you can judge a book by its title I’m all in! Awesome! But that story was all over the news. I missed much about Space x or Neura link or Starlink.

I’m painfully aware of how he can screw things up. I am more curious as to how the hell he ever had all this “success”.
 
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Udgnim

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Most people I've seen know where to assign blame (Elon and Trump). Right wing influencers are trying to blame the "Biden economy" for what's happening and that dog is not hunting so far. Government employees who've been fired know who is doing it. Same with companies dealing with tariff fallout.

we will see what the landscape looks like in 2 years

I saw the 2024 presidential election as the opportunity for the US to reject Trump and effectively kill MAGAism, but instead I find out that the majority of the US voter base either welcomed it back or did not care enough to prevent it
 
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pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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That will almost certainly never happen, but it is still worth calling for it, and elites and media outlets should be calling for it. Republicans have agency, and they should be repeatedly called out for not exercising it. It's how public opinion can be made to shift.

Yep. It's pure stupidity: Musk implementing his totally nonsense zero-budget approach to make everyone justify every single expense. Nothing says efficiency like making people spend hours and hours justifying everything they need to do their job.

Reminds me of being in the civil service, and hearing about the 'bad old days' where before you could get a new ball-point-pen from the stationary cupboard you had to hand in the old one that had run out, and fill in a form. (The old guys may have been exaggerating.)
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Dec 15, 2015
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Hmm, just curious what you mean? Sounds great!
The states they operate out of could have been investigating them, and use those investigations to root out all their supporters. Dems should have shanghaied the 'deep state' narrative and pegged it directly on these orgs (there's more than just the heritage foundation).

They benefited from operating in the dark for decades.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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The damn republicans need to get their shit together and impeach and convict this idiot.
Their lust for power has obscured their foresight and critical thinking. They forget how things work for people like them in a dictatorship if they happen to become inconvenient.
what's an illegal protest?

also, since when does POTUS have authority to expel students at public and private universities?

maybe @pcgeek11 or @Greenman can comment on this complete overtake of federal power? Surely that's what they meant by "small government" when they happily voted for the first US King, right?
pcgeek11: I didn't vote for him, what are you talking about?
Greenie: I'm not responsible for this, what do you want me to say?
It's really hard for me not to foresee the US falling into a state of increasing civil unrest due to a mix of deteriorating social services, increased unemployment, higher inflation, stolen tax money (sovereign wealth fund / crypto reserve), and whatever else

I just hope that the unrest gets targeted at the Trump administration because the GOP / social media algos / bot networks are going to attempt to steer it elsewhere towards things like culture wars, "adversarial" foreign nations, or painting the left as traitors

and I hope there is still a democratic process that can offer a possible return to normalcy
Non-zero chance civil unrest is the goal, to provide an excuse to impose martial law. Not saying it's a good plan, but there's certainly been signaling of that desire, and this could be the mechanism.
Only the 2A.
Well, maybe not 2A for everybody, wait and see on that front...
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Reminds me of being in the civil service, and hearing about the 'bad old days' where before you could get a new ball-point-pen from the stationary cupboard you had to hand in the old one that had run out, and fill in a form. (The old guys may have been exaggerating.)
Grew up with government pens all over my house.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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This is dumb. These people feel betrayed but they aren’t traitors.

2029 when hopefully a Dem can clean house, those idiots will go to Russia though

This is exactly one of the reasons why there was a furious scramble to unfire DOE people with Q clearances. As a group I'm sure they're not traitors, but when people lose their jobs and potentially their homes, they do what they need to for their families. And it only takes one.

This is also why when the USSR broke up, the United States made sure workers in those specialties were financially taken care of. So there would be no temptation to sell their knowledge to rogue states.
 

eelw

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Dec 4, 1999
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we will see what the landscape looks like in 2 years

I saw the 2024 presidential election as the opportunity for the US to reject Trump and effectively kill MAGAism, but instead I find out that the majority of the US voter base either welcomed it back or did not care enough to prevent it
As much as we blame the 77 million that voted for him. It’s the 8 million that decided to stay home after voting for Biden that should be ashamed
 
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