Elon Musk now owns 9.2% of twitter...update.. will soon be the sole owner as Board of Directors accepts his purchase offer

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misuspita

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I think Musk will get on one of his rockets. That is the whole point of SpaceX, to get Musk into space and, eventually, to Mars.
Neah, He's too into being loved and adored by (b)millions, why would he go with what could be at max a few hundred people there?
 

K1052

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I would contribute to that GoFundMe for sure. Even if it doesn't explode, it will take him out of our hair for years.

I'm not convinced he's ever gonna go to space let alone Mars. He owns a very safe human rated launcher and declines to get on it.
 

NWRMidnight

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For the "He isn't actually stupid just nefarious" crowd.

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translation: how dare they try to stop our illegal and unconstitutional actions (aka a real coup).

If he is going to call for needing Senators to impeach a judge, he should at least know how many it takes, which is 67. A clear indication he doesn't know our constitution and has no business leading the charge on anything in our goverment, illegal or not.
 
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nakedfrog

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translation: how dare they try to stop our illegal and unconstitutional actions (aka a real coup).

If he is going to call for needing Senators to impeach a judge, he should at least know how many it takes, which is 67. A clear indication he doesn't know our constitution and has no business leading the charge on anything in our goverment, illegal or not.
He didn't get where he is by knowing how stuff works  ̄\_(シ)_/ ̄
 

K1052

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‘They Basically Wanna Kill Me’: Musk Alleges Cloak-and-Dagger Conspiracy Is Trying To Take Him Down​


https://www.mediaite.com/tv/they-ba...dagger-conspiracy-is-trying-to-take-him-down/

“It’s really come as quite a shock to me that there is this level of, really, hatred and violence from the left,” Musk told Hannity. “I always thought that the left, you know, Democrats were supposed to be the party of empathy, the party of caring, and yet they’re burning down cars, firebombing dealerships, they’re firing bullets into dealerships, they’re smashing up Teslas. Tesla is a peaceful company. We’ve never done anything harmful.”

He is kinda right that he is a meme come to life I guess.

 

fskimospy

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translation: how dare they try to stop our illegal and unconstitutional actions (aka a real coup).

If he is going to call for needing Senators to impeach a judge, he should at least know how many it takes, which is 67. A clear indication he doesn't know our constitution and has no business leading the charge on anything in our goverment, illegal or not.
It definitely reminds me of the guy who said he thought Elon Musk was smart until he started talking about something the guy knew about.
 

NWRMidnight

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‘They Basically Wanna Kill Me’: Musk Alleges Cloak-and-Dagger Conspiracy Is Trying To Take Him Down​


https://www.mediaite.com/tv/they-ba...dagger-conspiracy-is-trying-to-take-him-down/



He is kinda right that he is a meme come to life I guess.

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Is it the left though? There are a lot of pissed off people on the right now, and they are the ones known for this kind of response. It kind of reminds me of Jan. 6 where the right tried to blame Antifa for their party's attack on the Capitol when it was them all along. Or the George Floyd Riots where a lot of the violance was instigated by right wing extremists.
 
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K1052

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Is it the left though? There are a lot of pissed off people on the right now, and they are the ones known for this kind of response. It kind of reminds me of Jan. 6 where the right tried to blame Antifa for their party's attack on the Capitol when it was them all along.

I think it is more than likely left leaning people (though fired Fed employees are a live possibility too) but his conspiracy nonsense just exposes his belief that there is no such thing a people who are organically left or even just naturally opposed to him. That all such beliefs and actions are dictated from central sources of power (The Jews, George Soros, universities, etc). The idea that everybody but him is an NPC that simply gets programmed.
 

fskimospy

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Is it the left though? There are a lot of pissed off people on the right now, and they are the ones known for this kind of response. It kind of reminds me of Jan. 6 where the right tried to blame Antifa for their party's attack on the Capitol when it was them all along. Or the George Floyd Riots where a lot of the violance was instigated by right wing extremists.
I always liked how in the mind of the right the 1/6 attackers went from ANTIFA/FBI plants (when they acknowledged attacking the capitol was wrong) to persecuted patriotic conservatives (when they decided attacking the capitol was ok, actually) with no explanation as to what changed.
 
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linkgoron

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He knows how to con people, take credit for other people's work thru investing in tech companies where the actual geniuses do the work. Which is why him and Trump are so close.
I despise Musk, but he has had major achievements at Tesla and SpaceX, with real products and real things that people like.

There's no denying that Tesla almost singlehandedly made EVs popular and showed that people are willing to give them a shot.
 

MrSquished

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I despise Musk, but he has had major achievements at Tesla and SpaceX, with real products and real things that people like.

There's no denying that Tesla almost singlehandedly made EVs popular and showed that people are willing to give them a shot.
He's a great hype man mostly. I will give him that. The rest of the mythos around him is mostly just fantasy land.
 

linkgoron

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He's a great hype man mostly. I will give him that. The rest of the mythos around him is mostly just fantasy land.
Yes, he has a Mythos around him. He has a cult and his intellect level is overhyped. He also likes to pump his stock and is full of it, selling things that don't exist are not close to existing (e.g. FSD in 2016, or whatever the original vision of Cybertruck was with pricing and abilities).

However, there's no denying that Tesla has revolutionized the automobile industry with EVs, they've paved the way for many other companies. SpaceX is also doing amazing work.

I don't think that Musk was really involved technologically with most of the success, but his management has enabled these companies to achieve these things.
His management style has (IMO) destroyed Twitter, and he has completely mismanaged Tesla and allowed the company to stagnate and they're now in serious danger of getting outplayed by other companies, both in the EV space and the autonomous driving parts.
 
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manly

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I despise Musk, but he has had major achievements at Tesla and SpaceX, with real products and real things that people like.

There's no denying that Tesla almost singlehandedly made EVs popular and showed that people are willing to give them a shot.
sure, but those truly are business achievements that came from the hard work of thousands. Musk was a very effective manager, aka sociopath CEO, in the sense that he drove Tesla really hard when it could have failed at various points. But as these things tend to go, he's gotten inordinate credit for Tesla's past success. In recent years, he's been a part-time CEO.

He's not running day-to-day operations at SpaceX either, and again I'd be hesitant to say their achievements are his achievements.
 

Brovane

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He's a great hype man mostly. I will give him that. The rest of the mythos around him is mostly just fantasy land.

SpaceX does some cool stuff. I love seeing US aerospace companies leading the way.


 

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MrSquished

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SpaceX does some cool stuff. I love seeing US aerospace companies leading the way.


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Yeah, the only reason NASA was working with SpaceX was because Shotwell made the vast majority of the calls for the company, NOT Musk. NASA said as much. Musk is the primary obstacle to the actual success of SpaceX operationally. His genius mythos and his actual capabilities as a hype man, did draw the talent to spaceX, but fundamentally, the company is better off when he is insulated from actual operations.


In an interview with NPR, NASA director Bill Nelson assuages any fears of an unsupervised Elon Musk running a space agency by reminding us that SpaceX is actually run by its president Gwynne Shotwell. Nelson trusts Shotwell to protect SpaceX from Elon Musk’s often irrational fever dreams, and thus to protect the billions of American tax dollars granted to SpaceX in government contracts from his wayward spending, too.


Nelson, a former Florida senator, was reportedly very outspoken in his distrust of Musk prior to assuming the role of NASA director.
 
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Brovane

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sure, but those truly are business achievements that came from the hard work of thousands. Musk was a very effective manager, aka sociopath CEO, in the sense that he drove Tesla really hard when it could have failed at various points. But as these things tend to go, he's gotten inordinate credit for Tesla's past success. In recent years, he's been a part-time CEO.

He's not running day-to-day operations at SpaceX either, and again I'd be hesitant to say their achievements are his achievements.

You now the entire full propulsive recovery of the Falcon-9 1st stage, it was Elmo that kept pushing his engineers to keep working on that problem even when they told him it was not possible.
The SpaceX use of densified propellant, it was Elmo that also pushed his engineers to figure out a way to use it reliably for the extra performance.
 

Brovane

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Yeah, the only reason NASA was working with SpaceX was because Shotwell made the vast majority of the calls for the company, NOT Musk. NASA said as much. Musk is the primary obstacle to the actual success of SpaceX operationally. His genius mythos and his actual capabilities as a hype man, did draw the talent to spaceX, but fundamentally, the company is better off when he is insulated from actual operations.

There is are two really good books on the history of SpaceX called LIFTOFF and REENTRY by Eric Berger. Worth a read because it gives some really good insight on how instrumental Elmo was on getting SpaceX to where they are today. Gives you much better insight into the history of the company than a couple of random articles.
 

manly

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You now the entire full propulsive recovery of the Falcon-9 1st stage, it was Elmo that kept pushing his engineers to keep working on that problem even when they told him it was not possible.
The SpaceX use of densified propellant, it was Elmo that also pushed his engineers to figure out a way to use it reliably for the extra performance.
Sure, he was a very effective manager/CEO at both companies. But the entire teams of thousands did the real work. Obviously I don't think the CEO is equivalent to a line worker in a factory. But it's a little reductive to say Elon himself achieved great things at Tesla and SpaceX. And yeah he's been an important part of successes; he's not just a snake oil salesman as some people claim.

Thanks for the book references! Maybe.
 
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