Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

misuspita · Apr 7, 2025

DZero said:
The issue is the ruling alliance, yeah, even those corrupts, has standards and they united against the invader, which is Russia, but don't forget Hungary too, since they are allies of Russia, they will use the chaos as a chance to try to invade them too. So yeah, Romania will have very hard times now.

Hungary can't invade shit. They'd become our pussies the moment they'd (imaginary) try. We're double the population and 2.5 times the area. Plus, we just got our latest F16, rising to 70 at the moment. Ordered some 48 F35A in total to be received at a later date but its debatable that deal is gonna happen in this political climate. We also have 54 himars launchers and a crapton of missles, ordered 7 Patriot systems of which 4 arrived, one was donated to Ukraine, rest to come still.

The only way Hungary can get some parts of Romania is if EU is completely destroyed and Russia conquers Romania and gives Hungary Transylvania. That is the only possibility and its science fiction. Russia can barely sustain a war against Ukraine, if rest of Europe is attacked, Romania, Poland, the Northern Europe (Sweden, Norway, Finland) wil fuck up the Russians a million ways rendering them useless and depleted. And then maaaybe that would become nuclear. So yeah... lets not go there

DZero · Apr 7, 2025

misuspita said:
Hungary can't invade shit. They'd become our pussies the moment they'd (imaginary) try. We're double the population and 2.5 times the area. Plus, we just got our latest F16, rising to 70 at the moment. Ordered some 48 F35A in total to be received at a later date but its debatable that deal is gonna happen in this political climate. We also have 54 himars launchers and a crapton of missles, ordered 7 Patriot systems of which 4 arrived, one was donated to Ukraine, rest to come still.

The only way Hungary can get some parts of Romania is if EU is completely destroyed and Russia conquers Romania and gives Hungary Transylvania. That is the only possibility and its science fiction. Russia can barely sustain a war against Ukraine, if rest of Europe is attacked, Romania, Poland, the Northern Europe (Sweden, Norway, Finland) wil fuck up the Russians a million ways rendering them useless and depleted. And then maaaybe that would become nuclear. So yeah... lets not go there

Even with that France can deliver Russia a taste of the nukes.

Russia is screwed up. Because China would take the oportunity.

you2 · Apr 7, 2025

misuspita said:
Hungary can't invade shit. They'd become our pussies the moment they'd (imaginary) try. We're double the population and 2.5 times the area. Plus, we just got our latest F16, rising to 70 at the moment. Ordered some 48 F35A in total to be received at a later date but its debatable that deal is gonna happen in this political climate. We also have 54 himars launchers and a crapton of missles, ordered 7 Patriot systems of which 4 arrived, one was donated to Ukraine, rest to come still.

The only way Hungary can get some parts of Romania is if EU is completely destroyed and Russia conquers Romania and gives Hungary Transylvania. That is the only possibility and its science fiction. Russia can barely sustain a war against Ukraine, if rest of Europe is attacked, Romania, Poland, the Northern Europe (Sweden, Norway, Finland) wil fuck up the Russians a million ways rendering them useless and depleted. And then maaaybe that would become nuclear. So yeah... lets not go there

My concern is how quickly a country can turn - like Hungary or USA. It seems to only take one pooper at the top and the cattle below fall into line despite their values being turn around on a dime.

Perknose · Apr 7, 2025

misuspita said:
And then maaaybe that would become nuclear. So yeah... lets not go there

Russia has tactical nuclear weapons.
Putin would use anything if his back was against the wall. Never fuck with a wounded bear.
But, yeah, let's not go there.

DZero · Apr 7, 2025

Perknose said:
Russia has tactical nuclear weapons.
Putin would use anything if his back was against the wall. Never fuck with a wounded bear.
But, yeah, let's not go there.

France has nukes too, won't commit the same mistake again.

China and India has also that and if their low cost fuel goes away to the US won't doubt to take down the bear.

K1052 · Apr 7, 2025

K1052 said:
One possibility is that Trump simply loses interest in the coming months or other events take precedence for him. Rs aren’t going to pass more Ukraine aid anyway so soon the US will be mostly irrelevant. Kyiv has been working the Euros hard and will continue to do so.

I think we are here. He is too busy setting the global economy aflame to care much about this and thinking about starting a hot war with Iran.

Perknose · Apr 7, 2025

DZero said:
France has nukes too, won't commit the same mistake again.

My point is that if nukes happen everybody loses, especially the enormous civilian collateral damage.

misuspita · Apr 8, 2025

Perknose said:
Russia has tactical nuclear weapons.
Putin would use anything if his back was against the wall. Never fuck with a wounded bear.
But, yeah, let's not go there.

Europe will never invade Russia, no country needs a brute low IQ uneducated violent population, so nukes won't be used to defend, hopefully, as Europe just needs to keep them inside their borders, with their teeth broken. Plus, even if someone would try... who will police that territory? Romania? Ukraine? Poland? Baltics? Nordics? Western Europe? No one has the man power to guard such a big place as European Russia. Only sure thing is that Kaliningrad will be lost.

But unlike Ukraine, if major cities and civilian population will be attacked, I am very sure some rockets will find their way to the only 2 major cities that count in Russia. And I am all for it. Russia needs it's own medicine, because with barbarians you need to speak their language to understand. They'll never listen to anything than brute force. Show them United Europe is stronger than them and can destroy whatever forces they can come up with.

So, probably it will never get down to nuclear war, because no one wins if that happens. They can wipe out Europe and Europe can wipe out Russia with nukes. Without any USA help. But that's the end of the world as we know it... So yeah... Let's not go there...

misuspita · Apr 8, 2025

you2 said:
My concern is how quickly a country can turn - like Hungary or USA. It seems to only take one pooper at the top and the cattle below fall into line despite their values being turn around on a dime.

It's not quickly. It's like that dam erosion that happened over 20 years and you only see the last few days when water starts leaking at the base and then woosh, everything goes to shit.

It was a monumental task involving billions of dollars in propaganda, paying huge sums of lobby money to individuals in positions that could change the system, try to break the educational system and all those things that slowly erode cohesion of a nation. You don't need all of them to be stupid and sheep, run by emotion and reptilian brain. Only enough to do damage. Like MAGA.

In Hungary they are pressing their buttons of anger of lost territories. They were a warring nation and Austro-Hungarian empire was for a hundred something years powerful in this part of Europe, but they lost what they had and are mourning for the lost territories. But now are a small country, and not powerful enough to do something about it directly. That's why they scheme and use diverse tactics to get their dreams of having some parts of Ukraine, Romania, Poland, so that's why they are trying to be friends with Russia, in the hopes that when Russia conquers Europe, they'd be given all of that. Stupid, because USSR invaded them in 1965 and Romania was the only country in the eastern block that refused passage of Russian troops and made Ceaușescu a hero and the west tried do woo him and managed for a while.

Well, history is complicated and complex

After USSR fell, Hungary had better infrastructure and quickly rose in the region economically and strategically and they are regularly inciting secession in Romania... But after joining EU, we caught up and this year for the first time overtook them in almost any measurable statistic. Poland even faster as they are a bigger country and closeness to western parts of Europe always counts.

But I digress, sorry for the local history lesson, when you hear European Union, it's a complicated union of countries that fought each other for millenia and being in that union is the best thing that ever happened to them. Especially with colossal superpowers like Russia and China and now USA trying to break it back into little countries, because it's easier to control them individually instead of a economical and hopefully military superpower it is.

Jaskalas · Apr 8, 2025

misuspita said:
So, probably it will never get down to nuclear war, because no one wins if that happens. They can wipe out Europe and Europe can wipe out Russia with nukes. Without any USA help. But that's the end of the world as we know it... So yeah... Let's not go there...

The entire point of this war is Russia calling NATO's bluff on nuclear deterrence. The key premise is that YOU WILL NOT launch nukes and end yourself, to save another.
So unless Russia's opponent is a nuclear power, nukes deter nothing. They do nothing. The post-war order from WW2 is officially over and now we face a land grab of large states devouring everything and everyone else. Anyone lacking their own nuclear arsenal is on the menu. Their lives and their countries are at stake now, for the first time since WW2.

Russia has done a fine job playing Europe against itself. When it even comes down to this, holding an election on whether Genocide should run wild across Europe, and the wrong vote is in favor of it... your Democracy is already sort of cooked. With the loyalist leftovers from their Soviet rule over half the continent, Democracies are facing the challenge of their lifetimes. Perhaps the greatest challenge of their existence.

Granted, after what the US has done... we are not ones to talk. But our failure only highlights the risks, the challenges, and the stakes. For the first time since WW2, NATO exists without the United States. Europe must already go it alone, that is how much damage has been done. A stark warning for how Russia could shatter NATO further without even firing a shot. Or rather, to prepare new battlefields before shots are fired.

Everyone is already too cowardly to directly help Ukraine. Who's next?
I can assure you the US will not be the last NATO loses to an election.
If they do not stop Russia now, they might not get the chance to do so later.

Ukraine has to hold. Otherwise nukes may be the ONLY resort.

RnR_au · Apr 8, 2025

you2 said:
My concern is how quickly a country can turn - like Hungary or USA. It seems to only take one pooper at the top and the cattle below fall into line despite their values being turn around on a dime.

It very much depends on the political system. Here in Australia we have compulsory voting. There is some theory that talks about how compulsory voting keeps the politics from the far ends of the political spectrum to be limited in political power and expression. When a political disinterested member of the public have to do their civic duty and vote, they tend to vote for the members that smells the least of bullshit.

I'm not saying the Australian political system is perfect... far from it. But it has been remarkable successful in electing a long line of positively boring administrators. Most have also been kinda ok in the job. Which works out well in the long term.

misuspita · Apr 8, 2025

Jaskalas said:
The entire point of this war is Russia calling NATO's bluff on nuclear deterrence. The key premise is that YOU WILL NOT launch nukes and end yourself, to save another.
So unless Russia's opponent is a nuclear power, nukes deter nothing. They do nothing. The post-war order from WW2 is officially over and now we face a land grab of large states devouring everything and everyone else. Anyone lacking their own nuclear arsenal is on the menu. Their lives and their countries are at stake now, for the first time since WW2.

Russia has done a fine job playing Europe against itself. When it even comes down to this, holding an election on whether Genocide should run wild across Europe, and the wrong vote is in favor of it... your Democracy is already sort of cooked. With the loyalist leftovers from their Soviet rule over half the continent, Democracies are facing the challenge of their lifetimes. Perhaps the greatest challenge of their existence.

Granted, after what the US has done... we are not ones to talk. But our failure only highlights the risks, the challenges, and the stakes. For the first time since WW2, NATO exists without the United States. Europe must already go it alone, that is how much damage has been done. A stark warning for how Russia could shatter NATO further without even firing a shot. Or rather, to prepare new battlefields before shots are fired.

Everyone is already too cowardly to directly help Ukraine. Who's next?
I can assure you the US will not be the last NATO loses to an election.
If they do not stop Russia now, they might not get the chance to do so later.

Ukraine has to hold. Otherwise nukes may be the ONLY resort.

I don't think even Russia knew how weak military wise Russia is. They portraid themselfs as the mighty Russian Bear for so many years that when it finally happened everyone was kind of shocked Ukraine didn't fell in a matter of days or weeks. As for nukes, they would have probably launched at least a small one, but cooler heads prevailed and I think especially Xi was against it. And then Biden. For now, yes, after the betrail of USA, it seems common sense that every country needs it's own nukes to protect it from Russia.

But russians are excelent at espionage and diversion and especially in Romania they had a field day. Corrupt politician, old guard communists and their offspring are their allies. These do not want Russia to conquer us, but they want to be the ones leading the country so, as always, Russia helps with their huge financial resources. The enemy of my enemy is my friend works everywhere, unfortunately. For a small party in Romania to get donations of millions of dollars is a huge sum, but for Russia to "donate" it through different gray channels is easy. Peanuts. And through that you can gain a country without guns. Also, same as MAGA, we have a large uneducated mass of people that fall for the simplest tricks and also are fed up by the ones currently leading the country. We're a relatively young democracy and things are not that easy here, but even a old democracy as USA can be toppled by the same tactics as we can see these days.

But yes, Ukraine must be helped to defend against Russia and make them teethless. Once and for all. Their population grouth pattern will make them irrelevant in a few decades

misuspita · Apr 8, 2025

Jaskalas said:
Everyone is already too cowardly to directly help Ukraine.

The western world don't know the russians as good as we, the ones that are their neighbours know them. They feared Russia greatly and treated them as bigger than they are. They are teritorially the biggest country in the world, but economically and population wise? Barren land. Even nowthey fear them but there's also the small problem that none of the western countries had ammo stocks for multiple years of combat. No doctrine envisioned this possible future, to have a attrition wor against Russia, with their immense stocks of soviet artillery barrels, tanks and ammo. Which they had and because of the combined West's help, Ukraine is still standing. But all of that is depleted now. We are also lead by managers, not leaders... very few are actually inspiring. It's a sea of Chamberlains instead of Churchills. So Europe answer is slow, it was a union of economic power and peace. And now everything slooooolwy changes. But if even the german mastodont is moving, than that is something kind of important. After all, they generated 2 world wars.... If they start rearming for real, it's not fun and games. But still, there is a turmoil period now and Ukraine suffers because these decisions take time in the Eu, diluted power between 27 states with different visions, with traitors like Hungary and Slovakia... But I am confident Europe will find it's resolve and help Ukraine until the end. There is no other way possible, because if Ukraine is conquered, in a decade Russia with Ukraine's help as a conquered nation will attack Europe.

misuspita · Apr 8, 2025

Perfect timing for Trump. He is acting like a Russian asset. Sorry. He is a Russian asset

Pentagon considering proposal to cut thousands of troops from Europe, officials say

Experts warn that the timing of the potential drawdown could alarm NATO allies and embolden Russian President Vladimir Putin.

www.nbcnews.com

kage69 · Apr 8, 2025

Don't be sorry. I'm American and I've been referring to him as a Russian asset for at least a decade. The way he treats core American values, democracy, the military and vets, how he actively aids genocidal butchers like Putin and Netanyahu... nothing would make me smile more right now than to see him receive the Sadat or Ceausescu treatment. It wouldn't fix America anytime soon of course, but there really isn't a downside to not having a mentally impaired racist traitor and felon as our CiC.

If only more Americans found treason and insanity to be disqualifying traits for office. If only we had a Congress and SCOTUS that would do their jobs instead of rolling over. At least there are bastions of sanity in the EU. Their plan to make Ukraine a steel porcupine will come to fruition soon at this rate, I have no doubt. Ukraine is getting stronger while Russia continues to weaken.

Russia is sending demoralized conscripts electric scooters to ride into minefields watched by drones, artillery and mortars. Meanwhile Ukrainian weapons output triples while allies continue to chip in cash, supplies and training.

"Ukraine’s weapons production reached over $10 billion in 2024, a threefold increase from the year before and ten times higher than in 2022, according to the Ukrainian Institute for the Future, cited by The Economist. The growth involves 800+ companies and 300,000 workers, with 2025 output expected to hit $15 billion—though the full potential of $35 billion remains out of reach due to funding limitations. Support from European allies could help unlock that capacity.

“Some production facilities have been hit five times or more, yet they continue to operate,” said Andriy Zagorodnyuk, former defense minister. He estimates Ukraine now produces nearly half of its military needs."

K1052 · Apr 8, 2025

If Trump throws the planet into a recession and oil drops 10 or 15 bucks the Russians will literally not have the money to continue the war.

you2 · Apr 8, 2025

K1052 said:
If Trump throws the planet into a recession and oil drops 10 or 15 bucks the Russians will literally not have the money to continue the war.

Maybe that is Trump's unintended secret plan to stop Russia.

feralkid · Apr 8, 2025

you2 said:
Maybe that is Trump's unintended secret plan to stop Russia.

Key word being "unintended".

you2 · Apr 9, 2025

Ukraine's Zelenskyy says 2 Chinese were caught fighting alongside Russia

The Ukrainian military has captured two Chinese men fighting alongside the Russian army in the eastern Donetsk region and has information that “significantly more” are with Russian forces, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced on Tuesday. There was no immediate comment from China...

www.yahoo.com

DZero · Apr 9, 2025

you2 said:
My concern is how quickly a country can turn - like Hungary or USA. It seems to only take one pooper at the top and the cattle below fall into line despite their values being turn around on a dime.

The issue of Hungary is that the neighbours sees an attack and ista turn the country into Paraguay in the Paraguayan war. It would be a massive bloodshed and if Serbia and Slovakia enters (due Putin's orders), the same treatment will be given.

you2 said:
Maybe that is Trump's unintended secret plan to stop Russia.

Or... a way to say: here Putin, sell the oil to us and we will give weapons.

you2 said:
Ukraine's Zelenskyy says 2 Chinese were caught fighting alongside Russia

The Ukrainian military has captured two Chinese men fighting alongside the Russian army in the eastern Donetsk region and has information that “significantly more” are with Russian forces, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced on Tuesday. There was no immediate comment from China...

www.yahoo.com

2 options: China entering to the war directly, or... Russia realized the growing Chinese diaspora and forced them to fight for Russia. If is the first... China will be hit directly with the movement, but if is the 2nd... heck, Russia is taking a new brand low.

K1052 · Apr 10, 2025

K1052 said:
If Trump throws the planet into a recession and oil drops 10 or 15 bucks the Russians will literally not have the money to continue the war.

To follow up on this Brent is still hovering around $62 still and since Urals trades at a discount of $10 or more that is no bueno for the Russian state budget which is structured off a Brent price in the high $60s at least.

Jaskalas · Apr 10, 2025

Russia's systematic actions against critical European / NATO infrastructure becomes clear.

Russian cable attacks ‘threaten to cut off world’s internet’

Rise in sabotage incidents is putting critical services at risk, say telecoms companies

At least 11 subsea cables have been damaged in the Baltic Sea since October 2023 and similar outages have been reported in the North Sea.

DZero · Apr 10, 2025

Time to sink some ships and destroy some ports for good.

Jaskalas · Apr 11, 2025

North Korea sending hundreds of ballistic missiles, and 8 million artillery to Russia.
Trump's idea of "peace" is proceeding apace.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1882194341197660395

you2 · Apr 11, 2025

US neo-Nazi group with Russia-based leader calls for targeted Ukraine attacks

The Base, terrorist group founded in 2018, free to export violence abroad as Trump pulls FBI from pursuing far right

www.theguardian.com

(the key bit is that the orange stain is ordered the FBI to not investigate this far right group)

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