As I said in my post, and I agree, each has their own purpose (hence the desktop is NOT dead) As for the frankenmachine. I have seen a couple of laptops that have a decent video card, but still only a 16 inch display, not squat for sound, and not a good keyboard and mouse, so it might be interesting if someone could manage a real frankenmachine.Both have their purpose. If someone is a student or just getting to grips with living on their own, switching jobs and accommodations or even cities frequently, a gaming laptop would be easier and lighter to carry around. But if someone can manage to move their entire desktop gaming setup from one place to the other without much issue, of course they wouldn't give a damn about an underpowered and expensive gaming laptop.
I personally would like to see the frankenmachine child of desktop and gaming laptop. Something that is bulkier than a gaming laptop but still easier to carry, both CPU and GPU can be upgraded and even the display replaced easily if necessary. Display size could be anywhere from 18 to 24 inches.
sorry while i fall off my chair if you think a 4060 has even half the prowess of a 9070XT.
When i mean gaming laptops, i mean the high end ones with the xx80 class or higher GPU and have 4k screens.
You ignored all the other points that was made.the argument really boils down to 1080p / 1440p vs 4k
is it really worth all that hassle just for the extra resolution in a few AAA games?
5070ti mobile with DLSS should do 4k, will be close to 4080 mobile
it's just margins really and in upcoming gen the gap will be extinct
Nah you don't...I personally would like to see the frankenmachine child of desktop and gaming laptop. Something that is bulkier than a gaming laptop but still easier to carry, both CPU and GPU can be upgraded and even the display replaced easily if necessary. Display size could be anywhere from 18 to 24 inches.
I had an opportunity to get an Acer one that had Geforce 500 something in SLI, for a very reasonable price. Would've loved it if I had an actual home to keep it in. It was a behemoth of a laptop.It was a joke of a laptop...
the argument really boils down to 1080p / 1440p vs 4k
is it really worth all that hassle just for the extra resolution in a few AAA games?
5070ti mobile with DLSS should do 4k, will be close to 4080 mobile
it's just margins really and in upcoming gen the gap will be extinct
The mobile you buy the mobile frames you save
Jensen says you save a lot of space and electricity by keeping 4 laptops.Going by Jensen logic.
Jensen is a genius!
You ignored all the other points that was made.
Again, I should have stayed out since its like talk to a wall.
I personally would like to see the frankenmachine child of desktop and gaming laptop. Something that is bulkier than a gaming laptop but still easier to carry, both CPU and GPU can be upgraded and even the display replaced easily if necessary. Display size could be anywhere from 18 to 24 inches.
Yes, I want one, purely for historical reasons as a collector's itemhttps://duckduckgo.com/?q=acer+21+x 9kg $9000 (2017)
This. Though razer actually comes close, they just need a smaller power brick. I’ve a 3070 in mine and it weighs under 4 lbs. Laptop 3070 though. Don’t recall the TGP, but I can game okay with it.sorry while i fall off my chair if you think a 4060 has even half the prowess of a 9070XT.
When i mean gaming laptops, i mean the high end ones with the xx80 class or higher GPU and have 4k screens.
i think he is gonna get his own language like how Yoda has one.
Half the things Jensens says makes no sense anymore.
So the desktop CPU is dead if you're willing to make concessions? Got it!the argument really boils down to 1080p / 1440p vs 4k
is it really worth all that hassle just for the extra resolution in a few AAA games?
5070ti mobile with DLSS should do 4k, will be close to 4080 mobile
it's just margins really and in upcoming gen the gap will be extinct
So the desktop CPU is dead if you're willing to make concessions? Got it!
Not worth the cost to YOU, others are willing to spend the money, that's why cards (AND CPUS MIND YOU!!!) are all out of stock.🤣 desktop/client CPU is definitely dead
big GPU (9700XT) still has place only for 4K 120hz, higher than that is not worth the cost
that's the gist of it
🤣 desktop/client CPU is definitely dead
big GPU (9700XT) still has place only for 4K 120hz, higher than that is not worth the cost
that's the gist of it
The 9070 XT can't do 4k Ultra 120fps in new AAA games. And the difference between the 9070 XT and a 5090 is a lot more than a 30fps.spending +$2000 just for 30 fps more when you already have 4K 120hz (9700XT) is kinda pointless
then again "people spend thousands for their hobbies" so...
This will be a post that sums up where the market is going over the next few years.
Market is going in the direction of higher and higher integration. Integration of both hardware, hardware features, but also hardware and software.
Laptops over past years exploded in popularity and volume for very simple reason. Convenience. They are small form factor computers that are also mobile. They can be connected to larger screens, they can have keyboards and mouse connected, giving you best of all worlds, except one. Ultimate, maximum performance. That was always reserved for highest of the highest end of desktops, and usually for DIY.
Thats the reason also why Desktop and DIY markets were dying for several past years. 95% of market chose laptops because they were much more convenient solution. And performance of those products fit with 95% of markets needs.
Only very small nieche of users buys desktops, and even smaller nieche is buying DIY parts.
And now we turn to the AI part of the equation. AI in current form is very primitive, and will still be primitive for quite some time. However AI will push for larger and larger integration of parts, and larger and larger RAM pools. You will be required to have powerful APUs IF you want to be in the mainstream market, when Microsoft, Google on Android will want to use their own AI models and make something akin to Jarvis from Iron Man work and "enrich people's lives"(and generate revenue for themselves). Jarvis-like AI will make possible changing the form factor of computers from desktops to basically... everything imaginable. TV with camera and microphone listening and observing you 24h/7 days a week and waiting for your prompts? "Show me the video of two guys walking on 3 legs, by strapping their legs together" "launch VRtnite". "What is the weather at my parents house today?" - proceeding to show you widget of the weather in that place on your TV.
As you can see a lot of interest is lining up together.
So how companies will approach this in upcoming years?
Expect larger and larger emphasize on integrated products. M4, M4 Pro, M4 Max, M4 Ultra competitors from everybody.
AMD already has M4 and M4 Pro competition. Intel already has M4 competition. Qualcomm? They are not really a competition for desktop platform that Windows was, but they are one hell of a competition for Android platform. Nvidia is rumored to make ARM SOC for mainstream market, AMD is rumored to be cooking something as well for ARM market.
Expect also increasing emphasis on ecosystem of products. Apple has its own, but so far its not really capable at least in terms of AI. Microsoft would want something contextual and in real time, as well as google wants to be able to show results to your prompts at apropriate display in your environment, be it your smart glasses, smart TV, smart displays, etc. For that you need as big integration of software and hardware as possible. The Jobs quote "Works like magic" is fitting to what Microsoft and Google want to do with the contextual AI, and how it will work with different products in one's environment. Will it be integration of ecosystem or MS, Goog and Apple will work together to make possible of open standard and interplay of different products in one environment? We will see...
Or will it look something like this?
Thats why this whole discussion about what desktop is, is pointless. Its a discussion of "where the puck was" instead of "where the puck is going".
I expect that mainstream market for the time being will take the form of NUCs/SFFs, AIOs and laptops. And DIY will go in the market of thredrippers/EPYC CPUs, highest margin of the highest margin possible.
Imagine it this way. The same Ryzen 7 or 9 products as we currently have on AM5, but with Threadripper or EPYC name, instead of Ryzen, and apropriate price tag.
Ryzen 7 and 9 products replaced with Strix Point and Strix Halo products. Soldered to Motherboards, or coming as SBCs.
sorry while i fall off my chair if you think a 4060 has even half the prowess of a 9070XT.
When i mean gaming laptops, i mean the high end ones with the xx80 class or higher GPU and have 4k screens.