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Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.
Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:
Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.
  1. It's the player's fault.
  2. It's the reviewer's fault.
  3. It's the developer's fault.
  4. It's AMD's fault.
  5. It's the game's fault.
  6. It's the driver's fault.
  7. It's a system configuration issue.
  8. Wrong settings were tested.
  9. Wrong area was tested.
  10. Wrong games were tested.
  11. 4K is irrelevant.
  12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
  13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
  14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
  15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
  16. It's an anomaly.
  17. It's a console port.
  18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
  19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
  20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
  21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.
According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!
 
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psolord said:
There's nothing indigenous. Everything is recorded. This is a default settings.

I said again and let me repeat. The 3060ti on the Indiana Jones run, is using up to 165W. That's way lower than its max power. In order for the dynamic res to kick in, the card needs to be pushed hard.

This system is now decommissioned, but I will rebuilt it in a couple weeks. So I will do the same run without dynamic res and you will see its the same thing.
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Then turn the dynamic resolution scaling off.

If you claim a certain resolution you either run it at that resolution directly or asterisk the results as having a dynamic resolution enabled.

You can’t know all the variables for the dynamic resolution output. What if one of them is vram usage out of the total? Thats just one of many variables that could be used.

Or have the goalposts moved again and now 1080p/60fps/TAA Quality Resolution is what everyone should concede is acceptable?
 
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blckgrffn said:
Or have the goalposts moved again and now 1080p/60fps/TAA Quality Resolution is what everyone should concede is acceptable?
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At 165w no less.

The real advancement is that I've been able to run say, Overwatch at 1080p 60fps stable, fanless pulling just 60w on the gpu for 3 years with hardware that is 5-10 years old. Or I can go spend up to double the total system cost just for a gpu to hit 1440p 60fps stable in most games made in the past 5 years. With upscaling needed for most and many games objectively look worse than games from 5-8 years ago.

It has been a hoot watching the efficiency argument go out the window along with say, how great variable refresh rate is when I've got hardware and software that doesn't enable that. But muh ray path traced goodness and upscaling methods or something. That and god rays or hairworks.
 
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psolord said:
It is academic because they are using max texture pool size, which causes the card to fail.
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What's academic about maxing out the quality? Doesn't seem to be an issue for the 3060 or the 2060. They're not failing.

which was made specifically to make 8GB cards to fail.
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Hey you've finally realized that the problem is only having 8 GB of VRAM. It's odd that you attribute the failure to what could only be a maliciously constructed benchmark instead of actual settings that people will run. Why does it seem you can only tell us what the correct settings are after a 4060 fails at something. Shouldn't this be predictable in advance?

The real problem here, is that I am not the one not grasping the problem, but rather the rest of you.
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Has the truth been revealed to you via CIA transmissions you receive through dental fillings? Surely you must have some explanation as to why you've found enlightenment that is beyond the grasp of not only every other poster here, but many tech tubers or others who have been working in the industry for decades.

And what of all the evidence that disagrees with you? Indian Jones is hardly the only game where 8 GB cards have lower performance or degraded textures, or were all of those examples academic as well?

If you set the texture pool size to low, which will largely not affect the quality
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Earlier in your own post you were claiming that there was no difference and that the setting was purely academic.

A good image quality with correct settings is not subjective It's a fact.
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There you go using words that you appear not to understand again. What constitutes a "good quality" image and "correct settings" are your own opinion. You're not even making a weasel word argument here either. You're flat out using the word incorrectly.

Or maybe that's another thing I, other posters here, various tech journalists across the Internet, and the good people at Merriam-Webster also all have wrong. We've all been using the word wrong this whole time.
 
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Spider-Man 2 TechPowerUp​


Models1080p RT Off1440p RT Off2160p RT Off1080p RT Off minimum1440p RT Off minimum2160p RT Off minimum
4060Ti 16GB vs 8GB90.8 vs 79.4 (+14.4%)63 vs 52.6 (+19.8%)33.2 vs 26.5 (+25.3%)67.4 vs 56.2 (+20%)46.9 vs 37.4 (+25.4%)20.4 vs 15.8 (+29.1%)
7600XT 16GB vs 7600 8GB68.5 vs 49.6 (+38.1%)47.6 vs 33.6 (+41.7%)25.3 vs 17.4 (+45.4%)51.3 vs 37.3 (+37.5%)37.3 vs 24.5 (+52.2%)19.2 vs 10.7 (+79.4%)

Models1080p RT On1440p RT On2160p RT On1080p RT On minimum1440p RT On minimum2160p RT On minimum
4060Ti 16GB vs 8GB49.5 vs 40.2 (+23.1%)33.1 vs 27.2 (+21.7%)17.5 vs 14.2 (+23.2%)31.7 vs 27.2 (+16.5%) 21.3 vs 18.1 (+17.7%)9.9 vs 7.9 (+25.3%)
7600XT 16GB vs 7600 8GB31 vs 19.4 (+59.8%)14.5 vs 11.7 (+23.9%)10 vs 5.6 (+78.6%)21.3 vs 10.3 (+106.8%) 11.4 vs 6.8 (+67.6%)5.7 vs 2.9 (+96.6%)

As shows It's certainly preferable to buy the 16GB version, but If there was actually a 12GB version with 24Gbit memory, then It would have likely the same impact on performance at playable resolutions.
 
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blckgrffn said:
Then turn the dynamic resolution scaling off.

If you claim a certain resolution you either run it at that resolution directly or asterisk the results as having a dynamic resolution enabled.

You can’t know all the variables for the dynamic resolution output. What if one of them is vram usage out of the total? Thats just one of many variables that could be used.

Or have the goalposts moved again and now 1080p/60fps/TAA Quality Resolution is what everyone should concede is acceptable?
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Fair enough, I will retest. That system will be rebuilt next week.

At 165W which is 66% of the card's total power, I doubt the dynamic res is kicking in though.
 
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Mopetar said:
What's academic about maxing out the quality? Doesn't seem to be an issue for the 3060 or the 2060. They're not failing.
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Texture streaming setting is not a texture quality setting. You are confusing a low setting and its meaning, with another and then you are giving me comprehension lectures.

Mopetar said:
Hey you've finally realized that the problem is only having 8 GB of VRAM. It's odd that you attribute the failure to what could only be a maliciously constructed benchmark instead of actual settings that people will run. Why does it seem you can only tell us what the correct settings are after a 4060 fails at something. Shouldn't this be predictable in advance?
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People can fall for that and have a bad gaming experience as a consequence, I can agree with that. However an educated user will not. In the PC space gamers need to be more wary, in order to get the max out of their hardware. It's not the end of the world. It's fixable.

Mopetar said:
Has the truth been revealed to you via CIA transmissions you receive through dental fillings? Surely you must have some explanation as to why you've found enlightenment that is beyond the grasp of not only every other poster here, but many tech tubers or others who have been working in the industry for decades.

And what of all the evidence that disagrees with you? Indian Jones is hardly the only game where 8 GB cards have lower performance or degraded textures, or were all of those examples academic as well?
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I have explained why and I am showing you why. I have three 8GB cards and they are nothing alike. You could possibly argue, that the 3060ti is held back in some titles, due to vram. These titles are very few and far between.

Most of the examples that have been given here, are easily fixable, as long as you don't drag everything over 9000. What I am disputing here, is that 8GBs are not really a handicapping factor, in terms of final image quality.

Mopetar said:
There you go using words that you appear not to understand again. What constitutes a "good quality" image and "correct settings" are your own opinion. You're not even making a weasel word argument here either. You're flat out using the word incorrectly.

Or maybe that's another thing I, other posters here, various tech journalists across the Internet, and the good people at Merriam-Webster also all have wrong. We've all been using the word wrong this whole time.
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Not using 4k textures for a 1080p screen, is not something subjective, it's just avoiding lunacy and a bad gaming experience.

Not using the ultra preset, on your 300-400 coins card, where the high preset is good enough is also something not subjective.

Not using RT+Ultra 1440p on Deliver us Mars is also common sense.

Not using the ultra streaming texture setting in Indiana Jones, which just takes up video ram for nothing, is also common sense.

Textures are only missing from very very very few cases and even those are fixable. When we move to the threshold of something being downright ugly and unfixable, in conjunction with the cards gpu power, then we will discuss it.

Actually, as a show of good will, I will present a vram problem I have found myself, which is far more important than all the stupid examples that have been given in this thread.

The game is Dragonkin The Banished.

These are two shots from the 3060ti and 9070.


These are the respective runs ~20mins each



Why is this more important?

1) It's unreal engine 5 and not some obscure ID tech game every three years, which ID tech game is fixable on top of that.
2) The performance itself is good, but the image quality is bad and directly affecting the textures, which is unacceptable, never disagreed with that, I only disagree with the timing occurrence.
3) The 9070 with the Ultra preset had no problem with the game, however the 3060ti was using one tier lower global settings, which is worrisome. Normally this is enough, however there are missing settings throughout the run, it's not just some stupid split second missing texture like in Forspoken or Halo Infinite which bot are fixable.

I will retest with future versions, because it is not out of the question there is some initial version problem. I mean I have the 3060ti for 4 years now and I only saw such occurrence right now, in 2025. If the situation persists in other games, I will accept a situational change.

There. I think I will start my own 8GB not enough thread, with blackjack and hookers!
 
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This thread is insane. It costs $700 AUD for a 8gb 4060 at the moment. For that sort of money in the past I would be getting a card that could turn everything to maximum. If I bought one today I would need to optimise the textures and resolution for any demanding game I played. Don't even get me started on the inability to run graphics mods for demanding games. I even saw a Skyrim mod released a few days ago that wants at least 16gb.

For $700 I should get 16-32GB, a cord that doesn't melt and a call from Jenson thanking me for my purchase. All I would get if I purchased one today is the FPS spanking me every time I tried to turn up textures.

Buying a $700 8gb card is about as smart as invading Russia in winter or accepting the Greek's lovely Trojan horse as a gift.

Change my mind.
 
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PSOLORD will LOVE this (timestamped):


Hint: No, he won't

Jay is doing a crime against him and all 3070 owners by running a game at settings that Nvidia DID NOT say on the box it couldn't run

Then he tries the 6700 XT and can't figure out why the onscreen display is showing more than 12GB VRAM consumption. I think it's because AMD driver is using system RAM to compensate for lack of VRAM but Jay will ask TAP about it.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
Then he tries the 6700 XT and can't figure out why the onscreen display is showing more than 12GB VRAM consumption. I think it's because AMD driver is using system RAM to compensate for lack of VRAM but Jay will ask TAP about it.
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Assets being swapped into system ram happens with all 3 vendors. It is probably just a reporting error. With all of my A and B series ARC, afterburner always reports more vram allocated than the card has.
 
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Daniel-San with more fuel for the fire. A minute in and you can see the 4060ti 8GB failing miserably at 1080 medium. A 2 yr old $400 card no less.
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Hey now, did NVIDIA ever promise that a pitiful $400 GPU could handle the mighty resolution of 1080p?
We'll take our frame time spikes at medium and we will enjoy them! Party like it's 2005!
*cries in 3060Ti
 
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One minor perk of this is that 8GB cards are pretty much the only "affordable" cards left at this point.

Basically anything 12gb+ is $400+ on eBay while 8gb cards (even 3070's) are going for ~$250 or less.
 
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maddogmcgee said:
This thread is insane. It costs $700 AUD for a 8gb 4060 at the moment. For that sort of money in the past I would be getting a card that could turn everything to maximum. If I bought one today I would need to optimise the textures and resolution for any demanding game I played. Don't even get me started on the inability to run graphics mods for demanding games. I even saw a Skyrim mod released a few days ago that wants at least 16gb.

For $700 I should get 16-32GB, a cord that doesn't melt and a call from Jenson thanking me for my purchase. All I would get if I purchased one today is the FPS spanking me every time I tried to turn up textures.

Buying a $700 8gb card is about as smart as invading Russia in winter or accepting the Greek's lovely Trojan horse as a gift.

Change my mind.
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Hello fellow Aussie, do you know what else is $699, the Switch 2 and I can guarantee that product is more worth it than a $700 8GB card.

It’s so silly, at that price any person(well, almost anyone 😆) would want 16GB VRAM. The GPU market is cooked everywhere.
 
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When 8GB is not CTD, there are games where the 16GB is almost 600% faster. It consistently produces a highly playable experience at settings where the 8GB 💩 the bed. As Steve rightly points out, even in titles where it seems like 8GB is barely enough, different sections of the game or longer playtime sessions may still expose it.

The only thing I did not agree with Steve about is a new 8GB card should not cost over $150 U.S. That's an unrealistic expectation, designed to set up more negative content. Given inflation, other price pressures, demand, and the BoM having changed so much in the last 5 years. $229 is a perfectly acceptable price IMO, all things considered, for a new 8GB card with warranty and the latest feature set.
 
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