Intel Begins Linux Preparations For Bartlett Lake - Phoronix
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It LIVES!
Probably not. With a locked multiplier, Intel may try to ensure the top 12-core part doesn't embarrass 285K.Intel’s new gaming flagship, lmao.
Will this be retail?Probably not. With a locked multiplier, Intel may try to ensure the top 12-core part doesn't embarrass 285K.
The article mentions "other long-term deployments on LGA-1700." but still a rumorWill this be retail?
Probably not. With a locked multiplier, Intel may try to ensure the top 12-core part doesn't embarrass 285K.
Will this be retail?
Intel’s new gaming flagship, lmao. As long as it isn’t launching with the current crappy implementation of DVLR which seems to seriously cripple Arrow Lake’s efficiency.
It is launching alright otherwise Intel wouldn't try to make the Bartlett enablement in the Linux kernel urgent. But it's most likely going to be locked. Intel doesn't want unnecessary Raptor high frequency drama.If it officially launching or is it still a rumor?
It is launching alright otherwise Intel wouldn't try to make the Bartlett enablement in the Linux kernel urgent. But it's most likely going to be locked. Intel doesn't want unnecessary Raptor high frequency drama.
Probably not. With a locked multiplier, Intel may try to ensure the top 12-core part doesn't embarrass 285K.
I think Intel’s strategy is to just keep gimping Raptor Lake performance with lazy BIOS mitigations until the 285K ends up being faster. All while the gap with Zen keeps getting bigger lmao. Somehow in the techpowerup numbers the 285K managed to close the gap with the 14900K from launch in Oct 2024 by 3% last month, while increasing it’s performance deficit to Zen 5 by 5%, and Zen 4 by 3% in gaming.
Arrow Lake and Zen4/Zen5 have gotten faster because they've received updates. TPU's initial Zen5 and Arrow Lake reviews were done without W11 24H2, which had the huge performance fix for Ryzen CPUs.I think Intel’s strategy is to just keep gimping Raptor Lake performance with lazy BIOS mitigations until the 285K ends up being faster. All while the gap with Zen keeps getting bigger lmao. Somehow in the techpowerup numbers the 285K managed to close the gap with the 14900K from launch in Oct 2024 by 3% last month, while increasing it’s performance deficit to Zen 5 by 5%, and Zen 4 by 3% in gaming.
The thing is from a strategy standpoint Intel should just unlock these CPUs since enthusiasts aren’t buying Arrow Lake CPUs anyway since a maxed tuned RPL system is still a good 25-30% faster than a tuned 285K in gaming, *and* more power efficient given how much less efficient the chiplet arch & DVLR are when overclocked, and tuned Raptor Lake systems with fast RAM are still competitive with 9800X3D. If they unlock the chips at least some enthusiasts will buy them.
Arrow Lake and Zen4/Zen5 have gotten faster because they've received updates. TPU's initial Zen5 and Arrow Lake reviews were done without W11 24H2, which had the huge performance fix for Ryzen CPUs.
AMD Ryzen 9000 Series "Zen 5" Tested on Windows 11 24H2 Update, Shows Significant Performance Gains
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It really depends on the original launch reviewer's settings. If you actually listen to Hallock's interviews on the topic, if you had ran launch day reviews with the "High Performance Setting" in Windows, it more or less captures the majority of the actual BIOS update improvements since then. The only actual real update were a handful of game-by-game situations that had performance improvements while using APO, but it wasn't a real across the board improvement.
I still don't think it's the tile latency for perspective ARL/MTL is using H100 class packing tech it's their design issue not a tile issue.Yes true Raptor Lake still handily beats Arrow Lake in gaming unless you have insanely fast super expensive CUDIMMS to get even. The tile based latency Intel used with TSMC just too much to overcome.
Raptor Lake monolthic die is good for latency with IMC being on the ring.
I still don't think it's the tile latency for perspective ARL/MTL is using H100 class packing tech it's their design issue not a tile issue.
Yes, Bartlett Lake is here and has been out for a few months. The recent discussion is what is changing in the change log that appeared yesterday. Combining a Q3 2025 rumor for all P-cores and this change log rumor gives the natural assumption that it might be the all P-core CPUs. It could be something totally different though.Bartlett Lake is already there:
Products formerly Bartlett Lake
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So yeah these are the consumer SKUs despite still no 12 P cores SKUs in sight.
Bartlett Lake is already there:
Products formerly Bartlett Lake
www.intel.com
So yeah these are the consumer SKUs despite still no 12 P cores SKUs in sight. Also the naming scheme just follows the trend which is trying to confuse consumer.
I RMA's 3 Raptors. First one I ran stock. 2nd and 3rd at really conservative settings and they still started to degrade. By "started to degrade" I mean after a few months they wouldn't run the frequencies/voltages they were running in a stable manner. I remember I was giving Topaz tech support all kinds of hell because Photo AI was suddenly locking up my system, which I thought was due to one of their updates. They kept telling me to check my system stability and I was telling them I'm 100% certain I was stable. Then I backed my frequency down to 4GHz and all of the problems went away. I sheepishly went back and told them they were right. Topaz Video AI is a good application to test stability by the way. Once I figured this out I proceeded to get the RMA going on my third and last Raptor Lake CPU and seriously started to consider a Zen 5 rig...
I never ran them over 5.5GHz and never overclocked or ran over 85C. I could have increased voltage to maintain performance and maybe they would have "stabilized." Or maybe not. I didn't want to find out. After three strikes I retired the Raptor train and moved to a 9950X. Just running stock and no issues, no fiddling with the BIOS, load lines, and endless tweaking to hopefully find a configuration that will last under high stress rendering and other stuff I do a lot of. While I don't overclock I am "hard" on CPU's I think. I'll be rendering out a video in Vegas Pro while running PureRaw to process photos while at the same time processing them with Photoshop, running a tv stream in the background, and flipping through websites all at the same time. I expect my computer to be responsive and stable the entire time. I work in a very "bursty" manner. When I sit down, it's "go" time and I don't want to work around my computer. I want IT to work around me.
Perhaps I got bad samples or just wasn't good at set up or didn't have good enough cooling, could be on me. I'm about 5 months on the 9950X and so far so good, performance is better and I've spent literally zero time tweaking. I think I increased TDP, decreased TDP, and then settled on stock. AMD seems to have found the sweet spot so I'll stick with it.
It seems like all of the "fixes" for Raptor and the like are not silicon fixes but more tweaks to the BIOS. After my experience I am wary especially when there is such a well-performing and cost effective alternative available. I am a fan of CPU's. I don't care who makes them. It took me A LOT to give AMD a try after literally lifetime of Intel Only Inside for me. Part of me was supporting Intel because I don't want them to fail. I want them to succeed... and I want AMD to succeed as well. But eventually I was wasting too much time investigating, tweaking, and trying to figure things out. In the beginning it was fun but it became a chore.
Seems like Arrow Lake isn't having the same issues and performs very well in a lot of the apps I use though. I'll take a good look at both AMD and Intel when it's time to upgrade again. I am still under the impression that there is nothing inherently wrong with Raptor Lake silicon, Intel just got too aggressive with boosting frequencies and they are having a hard time walking it back due to the published specs, which they obviously don't want to revise so they are dancing all around trying to maintain the specs in theory but not in practice. That is my theory anyway.
The main benefit of the edge CPUs is guaranteed availability. Imagine that you are designing a product that must not change (say a medical device) otherwise you need to go through extensive and expensive testing and validation. Each time a part becomes obsolete you are out hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not far more). These CPUs will be available for purchase for at least 10 years. Meaning that the company that uses them can be assured that their equipment is can be sold for a decade and their users know that drop-in replacements will be available for repairs.What is the point of them releasing the same hybrid SKUs to consumer market if Raptor Lake already here and its same die.
so these might also be susceptible to the degradation of the cpu just like Raptor lake ? I mean to same die, how could they not be ?? JUst asking.The main benefit of the edge CPUs is guaranteed availability. Imagine that you are designing a product that must not change (say a medical device) otherwise you need to go through extensive and expensive testing and validation. Each time a part becomes obsolete you are out hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not far more). These CPUs will be available for purchase for at least 10 years. Meaning that the company that uses them can be assured that their equipment is can be sold for a decade and their users know that drop-in replacements will be available for repairs.
Other than that, they are just Raptor Lake refresh with a 100 MHz to 200 MHz speed bump so far.
I'd highly doubt they'd be manufactured using known bad BIOS. Did you intend to say something relevant to today's BIOSes by your post? Just asking.so these might also be susceptible to the degradation of the cpu just like Raptor lake ? I mean to same die, how could they not be ?? JUst asking.
No. You said the same CPU in a refresh 100-200 mhz higher. That implies they are susceptible to me. Personally, I think the bios is not responsible for the meltdowns of Raptor lake, but I will not argue that point.I'd highly doubt they'd be manufactured using known bad BIOS. Did you intend to say something relevant to today's BIOSes by your post? Just asking.
Just telling you that the microcode that gave far too high of voltage and fried the chips is not being used any more.JUST ASKING.