That still doesn't make me want a dual V-cache CCD less. I would feel satisfied that no thread is being discriminated against by the scheduler by being put on the non-V-cache CCD.That's a 2-3% difference. The gap between a 9950X3D and a CPU with 2 V-cache CCDs would be even smaller.
Some workloads like web browsing are actually faster on the CCD without V-cache.That still doesn't make me want a dual V-cache CCD less. I would feel satisfied that no thread is being discriminated against by the scheduler by being put on the non-V-cache CCD.
That's based on benchmarks. Not real world web browsing. I think with lots of tabs open and the browser thrashing RAM a lot, V-cache would help. However, no easy way to quantify that improvement.Some workloads like web browsing are actually faster on the CCD without V-cache.
How did you know I do that with my Zen 2 128 thread Epyc ES?Anyone that benchmarks an Epyc for gaming should be laughed off the internet.
Because to offer you, which is a punishingly small market, some of the threadripper or epyc buyers wouldn't buy those and instead would by your cheap thing.Middle ground between 9950X3D and TR. There's a market waiting to tapped.
Let's suppose a non-gaming workload. If I could get the dual V-cache chip installed in a cheap $170 mobo and get my compilers and browsing super accelerated, why wouldn't I want to spend extra, as long as it's a reasonable extra dollars?
Then i guess when they add X3D to my threadripper, its gonna be like how the wicked evil step mother queen was played by Gal Gadot, and not a real wicked evil step mother queen.AMD is going to turn an ugly stepchild (9900x3d) into a beautiful princess. Like Cinderella.
Unless I'm looking at the wrong benchmarks, web browsing gets practically zero speedup from V-cache.
Just because the proposed product isn’t relevant to you, doesn’t mean it isn’t relevant.Because to offer you, which is a punishingly small market, some of the threadripper or epyc buyers wouldn't buy those and instead would by your cheap thing.
Same stuff over and over.
You have niche needs. You want high levels of compute and you don't want to pay for it. That's it. Because you are a hobbyist. You're not a real market.
the wicked evil step mother queen was played by Gal Gadot, and not a real wicked evil step mother queen.
Then i guess when they add X3D to my threadripper, its gonna be like how the wicked evil step mother queen was played by Gal Gadot, and not a real wicked evil step mother queen.
The ugly stepchild to a beautiful princess (Cinderella) is when It's when 12 core 2 chiplet Zen 5 based 9900x3d, with V-Cache only under 1 chiplet turns into single chiplet, 12 core Zen 6, CCD with +50% L3, with V-Cache under this CCD is serving all 12 cores.
It will be a miracle.
Your inability to conceive of a use case does not affect my ability to need said use case.what do u really need pcie lanes for... it's 2025
90% of desktop clients just have 1 GPU and 1-2 nvme ssds that's it
not too many real "powerusers" these days , because simply it's not necessary. both hardware and software and services (cloud etc) are way more powerful. the extra effort you had to make 20 years ago to achieve basics is not needed anymore. etc
what do u really need pcie lanes for... it's 2025
90% of desktop clients just have 1 GPU and 1-2 nvme ssds that's it
not too many real "powerusers" these days , because simply it's not necessary. both hardware and software and services (cloud etc) are way more powerful. the extra effort you had to make 20 years ago to achieve basics is not needed anymore. etc
2 people on some forums does not a market segment make. Also, like, I'm not saying that these two people wouldn't enjoy the product, or that they don't have the need. Just that they, and you, think that you make up a significant enough market for companies to bother with you. You're not that important.Just because the proposed product isn’t relevant to you, doesn’t mean it isn’t relevant.
2 people on some forums does not a market segment make. Also, like, I'm not saying that these two people wouldn't enjoy the product, or that they don't have the need. Just that they, and you, think that you make up a significant enough market for companies to bother with you. You're not that important.
1. I still use a Rift S, once in a while, that requires i have a free DP port.
2. I have 3 monitors, which are all 4k which all require DP ports.
3. Because of the requirement of having 4 DP ports, it requires me having a second video card.
4. Because i am running a 4090 rtx, i refuse to run it at 8x pci-e even tho its 5.0, out of the fact i did not buy a 1700 dollar video card to run it gimped @ 8x, because although it maybe unnoticeable in most occasions, it would eat at my conscience because i spent that much money on a videocard.
5. I have 2 game drives... one for steam, the other for epic, and well i have that disorder called "i cant seem to delete anything" sickness. So i tend to let games even tho i haven't touched them in years just sit on my drives.
These 2 game drives are composed of 4 x 4TB SSD's, so yes i have a total of 8 x 4TB drives, that again requires me to use a HBA card which i am running a LSI 9300-16i. So another 8 pci-e lanes i need.
6. i spent more money then i want to think of, upgrading all my network cables in my house to 1 very long Fiber from the back office to the main house, and then cat6 everywhere, so most of my systems now are on either 2.5gb or 10gbe. 10gbe requires me to run another 8x card, the intel X540 which requires 8 lanes.
I can go on and on on why i need those lanes, but im pretty sure im not the only one that keeps crying why we don't have more boards with either PLX chips or more pci-e lanes native.
1. u dont need VR headset + 3 monitors at the same time, unplug a monitor and connect headset....
2. get 8tb drives
3. 10gbe is overkill lmao
4. the use cases described are really marginal i.e. unplug 1 monitor, get 8tb drives... etc, very small differences
5. you are in the 10% of powerusers, the rest 90% dont do any of that
nope.im fairly confidant if you had 2 9950X3D's one with 24 pci-e lanes, and the other with 42-48 pci-e lanes.... the later would be scalped to kingdom come, and the former would the ones on the shelves.
It's not made to 'make sense', it's there for vendor bragging rights at reasonable cost targets.To me it REALLY makes no sense having 16 cores 32 working threads with 24 lanes.
You're suggesting building a weird half-step platform for people too poor for HEDT
It's an msdt part with a tiny bit more CPU oomph.then please tell me by that definition what a 16 core Ryzen 9 is compared to a 24 core ThreadRipper?
and having a bit more pci-e lanes on a ryzen 9, but not yet into a full thread ripper territory isnt the same?It's an msdt part with a tiny bit more CPU oomph.
That means having more PCIe across the stack, with bigger cIOD/SOC tile and bigger socket.and having a bit more pci-e lanes on a ryzen 9
It's not that it would outsell anything, it's you making everything more expensive across the stack to turn msdt socket into a poverty WS platform for people too poor for Threadripper.do you really think a 24 lane r9 would still out sell a 48 lane R9?
Yep.Its not profitable to spin a new cpu node with a slightly larger die, for a group which isn't going to invest in a full on HEDT.
And even then the HEDT population is very small now, that AMD wants to kill it all together.