Active shooter at Florida State

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allisolm

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From news conference:

One shooter. 2 deceased non-students. 5 wounded. Shooter is a student and was wounded by law enforcement after failure to comply with their instructions. He has been apprehended and is in the hospital. shooter 20yr old Phoenix Eichner (spelling is mine) (correct spelling is Ikner) deputy sheriff's son. Used his mother's personal weapon. Also had some long gun.
 
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pauldun170

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From news conference:

One shooter. 2 deceased non-students. 6 wounded. Shooter is a student and was wounded by law enforcement after failure to comply with their instructions. He has been apprehended and is in the hospital. shooter 20yr old Phoenix Eichner (spelling is mine) deputy sheriff's son. Used his mother's personal weapon. Also had some long gun.

The 20-year-old is the son of a Leon County Sheriff’s deputy and a part of the Leon County Sheriff's Office (LCSO) Youth Advisory Council,
 
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UNCjigga

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The fascist militia isn't coming after you at all, yet, and might not ever have a reason to. That doesn't mean you don't have a future responsibility to yourself, your family, and your community to resist them when they come after others.

Additionally, there are better options than just trigger locks to secure a firearm, and I'm not including teaching your children to respect firearms.

I'm not attacking you for not owning a firearm.

I'm just making sure that before the 200+ post pile-on blaming guns for reverse-osmosis-inducing humans to murder each other for sport, almost every gun in existence will never be used for mass gun violence.

I'm also making sure to remind people that you are literally watching the current fascist regime, in real time, explicitly tell you that they're allowed to disappear people without due process and send them to foreign concentration camps.

So, maybe the framers of the constitution knew what they were doing following up the first amendment with the second amendment.
Oh I’ve given up on gun control—just…no more fucks to give on that front with everything else going on. I was just commenting on why I still don’t think it’s necessary for *me* to own a gun. But yeah, everyone else can buy 5 for all I care. Guns are cheap right now…get that Sig before the tariffs kick in!!

 

Jaskalas

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Can we send him to El Salvador?
No no, it needs to be a slow boil. MAGA understands that keeping a semblance of normalcy helps prevent actual resistance.
It'll be some time before any and all crime leads to concentration camps. Their power must be more consolidated first.
 

WelshBloke

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Answer: Because even now, the likelihood of self-harm or one of my kids finding the gun and accidentally shooting themselves/others is far greater than the likelihood the fascist militia comes after me. Yes, that’s even with free trigger locks being given out like candy at my local library.
I am very much in support of strong gun control (i live in the UK and I broadly support our gun laws).
I live in a medium sized village in a rural area and when I bought my house I found a gun locker in a fairly secure part of the house. You'd need two keys to get in it if you were inside the house and if you didn't know where it was there's no way you'd find it. I feel like at that point there's a greater danger of my kids falling down the stairs or running into the patio door without opening it!
Im not trying to convince you to get a gun because I truly believe that a society with very few guns is safer, but you don't live in a society with very few guns. And you seem to have a government thats going to pick on those that can't or won't make a fuss.

Im not entirely sure where im going with this argument because im arguing against something that I believe in but if I lived in the US at the moment I'd consider not being armed in the same way i think of unilateral nuclear disarmarment in that its a nice idea if everyone else did it but im not doing it until everyone else does!
 
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allisolm

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Another school shooting sponsored by the Republican party.

Yup. Turns out he's a registered Republican who was kicked out of a political club for
espousing "white supremacist and far-right rhetoric."

"attorneycrump Repost from @meidastouch: (A student who knew the alleged FSU shooter, Phoenix Ikner, tells NBC that Ikner was part of Charlie Kirk's Turning Point chapter and had been virtually kicked out of a separate political club for espousing "white supremacist and far-right rhetoric.")"

 

Indus

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Yup. Turns out he's a registered Republican who was kicked out of a political club for
espousing "white supremacist and far-right rhetoric."

"attorneycrump Repost from @meidastouch: (A student who knew the alleged FSU shooter, Phoenix Ikner, tells NBC that Ikner was part of Charlie Kirk's Turning Point chapter and had been virtually kicked out of a separate political club for espousing "white supremacist and far-right rhetoric.")"


I saw a video of one of the victims yesterday and I'm still not 100% okay from what I saw.

But I can't get my head around this..

Why would someone shoot a 14 year old girl multiple times?

Did she turn him down and that set him off??

Probably will never get the answer to that but it's very disturbing none the less!
 

DZero

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I saw a video of one of the victims yesterday and I'm still not 100% okay from what I saw.

But I can't get my head around this..

Why would someone shoot a 14 year old girl multiple times?

Did she turn him down and that set him off??

Probably will never get the answer to that but it's very disturbing none the less!
Or he is a Black Piller and misogynist too?
 

cytg111

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I mean you can try an emphasize with a psychopath all day and get zero mileage on that effort, take a week month year and arrive at the same net result. Dont ask questions that you know have no answer.

He most likely shot her multiple times cause it made him chuckle. Carry on.
 
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Moonbeam

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I am very much in support of strong gun control (i live in the UK and I broadly support our gun laws).
I live in a medium sized village in a rural area and when I bought my house I found a gun locker in a fairly secure part of the house. You'd need two keys to get in it if you were inside the house and if you didn't know where it was there's no way you'd find it. I feel like at that point there's a greater danger of my kids falling down the stairs or running into the patio door without opening it!
Im not trying to convince you to get a gun because I truly believe that a society with very few guns is safer, but you don't live in a society with very few guns. And you seem to have a government thats going to pick on those that can't or won't make a fuss.

Im not entirely sure where im going with this argument because im arguing against something that I believe in but if I lived in the US at the moment I'd consider not being armed in the same way i think of unilateral nuclear disarmarment in that its a nice idea if everyone else did it but im not doing it until everyone else does!
In my opinion, being armed or just having guns available in case will provide very little real world security of a political nature in my opinion. What would it take to prevent the government from detaining you? Are you going to open fire on an ice agent that comes to your door? Ordinary Americans in my area are not yet expecting the government is coming to arrest them and I sure as hell am not shooting the next cop who may come to my door. The last time that happened was in the middle of the night many years ago and I opened the door stark naked. The cop was beating on my door and wanted access to my back yard over some drug arrest or so he said. Maybe they thought I was growing pot for some reason. I don’t know and didn’t care. Growing pot was illegal and I guilt using it long before that.

Of course, things being what they are, such snug indifference to the threat from police may disappear even in middle class neighborhoods and we will all feel we could be disappeared at a moments notice. Certainly that threat seems to loom larger rather less and less as it should were liberals running the show.

PS. I was thinking of you last night and that led me to looking up the geology of Whales as a part of thinking about moving there. I stated for a week in a country rental there and loved everything about it. I am as interested in rocks and fossils as I am in collecting guns. Several geological eras are named after Welch tribes.
 

WelshBloke

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In my opinion, being armed or just having guns available in case will provide very little real world security of a political nature in my opinion. What would it take to prevent the government from detaining you? Are you going to open fire on an ice agent that comes to your door? Ordinary Americans in my area are not yet expecting the government is coming to arrest them and I sure as hell am not shooting the next cop who may come to my door. The last time that happened was in the middle of the night many years ago and I opened the door stark naked. The cop was beating on my door and wanted access to my back yard over some drug arrest or so he said. Maybe they thought I was growing pot for some reason. I don’t know and didn’t care. Growing pot was illegal and I guilt using it long before that.

Of course, things being what they are, such snug indifference to the threat from police may disappear even in middle class neighborhoods and we will all feel we could be disappeared at a moments notice. Certainly that threat seems to loom larger rather less and less as it should were liberals running the show.
It was more about the general atmosphere being more hostile. Like when the people in charge start messaging that certain people are "undesirable" it doesnt take long for the brownshirts to start turning up, and those are people that would be put off with a show of force!
PS. I was thinking of you last night and that led me to looking up the geology of Whales as a part of thinking about moving there. I stated for a week in a country rental there and loved everything about it. I am as interested in rocks and fossils as I am in collecting guns. Several geological eras are named after Welch tribes.
This was a bit of fun geology i saw the other day! I was trying to work out how that bit in the middle got rolled like that!
 
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