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biostud

Lifer
Feb 27, 2003
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Let's say that he never started this tariff nonsense, how much more successful do you think over time he would be in turning US into a lawless country?

Most dictators while flawed in their morals, does at least acknowledge the value of surrounding themselves with people who are somewhat skilled.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Let's say that he never started this tariff nonsense, how much more successful do you think over time he would be in turning US into a lawless country?

Most dictators while flawed in their morals, does at least acknowledge the value of surrounding themselves with people who are somewhat skilled.

His tariff nonsense may serendipitously end up saving democracy.
 
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APU_Fusion

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Dec 16, 2013
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Donald Trump is the best capitalist. The greatest capitalist. MAny people are saying he is the greatest in history. The come up to him to thank him for his capitalism
 
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IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Let's say that he never started this tariff nonsense, how much more successful do you think over time he would be in turning US into a lawless country?

Most dictators while flawed in their morals, does at least acknowledge the value of surrounding themselves with people who are somewhat skilled.
Trump tried that with his first administration; he hated it.
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Imperial treason???

Dumbass Turd thinks he's Emperor:



He might as well replace Hail to the Chief with the Imperial March!
 

QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
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“This is the hand of the man that the Democrats feel should be brought back to the United States, because he is such ‘a fine and innocent person.’ They said he is not a member of MS-13, even though he’s got MS-13 tattooed onto his knuckles and two Highly Respected Courts found that he was a member of MS-13, beat up his wife, etc.,” the president posted on Truth Social on Friday evening.

Courts have not found that Abrego Garcia was a member of the gang.

As for “beating up his wife,” Trump was apparently referring to a short-ter

Government attorneys have never referenced the tattoos in court filings to support their claims that Abrego Garcia is a gang member. Their allegation rests on the word of a confidential police informant who in 2019 claimed the Maryland father was a member of MS-13’s “Westerns” clique, which operates out of New York, where Abrego Garcia has never lived.

Several social media users expressed doubt over the authenticity of the image of a hand Trump held in the post.




I believe eventually people who aren't peices of shit will manage to get Garcia back in the US. He should be able to sue the president for slander for this shit. I especially like how Trump added etc after MS-13 and the domestic issue with his wife. There's no etc, not even the MAGAs have managed to create other new illegal scenarios for this man (yet) Trump holding up a photoshopped picture as proof's pretty damn wild. I guess any 4 tattoos would mean MS-13 in Garcia's case.

And no, 2 highly respected courts didn't say he was an MS-13 member, they did say he was mistakenly identified as one and said there was no proof other than the word of a single informant who didn't have any proof himself.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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If the supply chain is damaged seriously enough...
Won't be anything left to save.

I knew things would get bad.. really bad (think more bad than Felix thinks it'll get) but even I didn't think they'd get that bad!
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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I knew things would get bad.. really bad (think more bad than Felix thinks it'll get) but even I didn't think they'd get that bad!
I could be overestimating the value of stocked store shelves...?
Look, not today. But if the trade war continues and gets worse....
OTOH, I do not have any good measure of how many ships are still entering port VS this time last year. But first word is... Trump is WORSE than COVID. Misleading? I don't know.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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“This is the hand of the man that the Democrats feel should be brought back to the United States, because he is such ‘a fine and innocent person.’ They said he is not a member of MS-13, even though he’s got MS-13 tattooed onto his knuckles and two Highly Respected Courts found that he was a member of MS-13, beat up his wife, etc.,” the president posted on Truth Social on Friday evening.

Courts have not found that Abrego Garcia was a member of the gang.

As for “beating up his wife,” Trump was apparently referring to a short-ter

Government attorneys have never referenced the tattoos in court filings to support their claims that Abrego Garcia is a gang member. Their allegation rests on the word of a confidential police informant who in 2019 claimed the Maryland father was a member of MS-13’s “Westerns” clique, which operates out of New York, where Abrego Garcia has never lived.

Several social media users expressed doubt over the authenticity of the image of a hand Trump held in the post.




I believe eventually people who aren't peices of shit will manage to get Garcia back in the US. He should be able to sue the president for slander for this shit. I especially like how Trump added etc after MS-13 and the domestic issue with his wife. There's no etc, not even the MAGAs have managed to create other new illegal scenarios for this man (yet) Trump holding up a photoshopped picture as proof's pretty damn wild. I guess any 4 tattoos would mean MS-13 in Garcia's case.

And no, 2 highly respected courts didn't say he was an MS-13 member, they did say he was mistakenly identified as one and said there was no proof other than the word of a single informant who didn't have any proof himself.

It doesn’t matter if he’s dad of the year or a really bad guy. Our rule of law guarantees due process to EVERYONE and the fact that the media or most people keep bringing up his character as if it matters plays right into trumps hand and only helps to ignore the real issue.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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I could be overestimating the value of stocked store shelves...?
Look, not today. But if the trade war continues and gets worse....
OTOH, I do not have any good measure of how many ships are still entering port VS this time last year. But first word is... Trump is WORSE than COVID. Misleading? I don't know.

Supply chain of what? Food?

Or cheap goods from China?
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Supply chain of what? Food?

Or cheap goods from China?
Ah, a very good point. I should not discount that food itself is the crucial part.
There will be pain. There will be inflation. A loss of normalcy and of dry goods. A loss of jobs and one hell of an economic loss.
But it won't start with Mad Max. We'll have to slide into it and there's a slim chance MAGA's alt-reality isn't strong enough to dive head first into the worst. That is, if we still have elections.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Ah, a very good point. I should not discount that food itself is the crucial part.
There will be pain. There will be inflation. A loss of normalcy and of dry goods. A loss of jobs and one hell of an economic loss.
But it won't start with Mad Max. We'll have to slide into it and there's a slim chance MAGA's alt-reality isn't strong enough to dive head first into the worst. That is, if we still have elections.

That's where the Chinese are smarter than the US?

China vital needs: food/ oil
Call Brazil.. we want to buy your soybean
Call Laos.. we want to buy your rice
Call Thailand.. we want to buy your rice
Call Australia.. we want to buy your beef
Call China.. we want to buy your oil
sorted!

AFAIK we haven't done any deals.. and the administration wants tariffs on food products!

That'll make my Jasmine Rice 34% more expensive.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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The money would work. I’d be the most beloved and hated secretary in history. Recognizing that modern warships are not armored, I’d have windows installed so sailors have something to look at. All military headwear would have brims to keep off the sun and rain. I’d have the army build a tank incorporating the main gun turret off the Iowa class battleships. It would be useless but so badass. When we have diplomatic disputes, I’d invite the foreign leaders to go for a ride on my tank. The message would be clear, “Don’t f’ with America.”
This gun is an ordinary 76mm but we add this piece of pipe onto it, and the Krauts think, like, maybe it's a 90mm. We got our own ammunition, it's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes... pretty pictures. Scares the hell outta people! We have a loudspeaker here, and when we go into battle we play music, very loud. It kind of... calms us down.

I need to watch that film again soon!
 
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QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
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Remember the time when we thought Bush Jr. would be the worst president...
When he beat Gore, I thought that would be the worst thing I'd see happen to this country in my lifetime. Now with 2 trump victories, and especially the 2nd one. I don't even think Jr beating Gore is mentionable as something bad anymore. And we have basically 4 more years of this shit.
 

you2

Diamond Member
Apr 2, 2002
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When he beat Gore, I thought that would be the worst thing I'd see happen to this country in my lifetime. Now with 2 trump victories, and especially the 2nd one. I don't even think Jr beating Gore is mentionable as something bad anymore. And we have basically 4 more years of this shit.
Turns out Bush jr was a horrible president but decent person; after all it was he who pushed for the creation of the text book on pandemic response. Trump is a horrible president who is also a horrible person.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Turns out Bush jr was a horrible president but decent person; after all it was he who pushed for the creation of the text book on pandemic response. Trump is a horrible president who is also a horrible person.
Decent people don't start wars based on lies for a right wing pet project.
 
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pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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I think for a lot of the bad stuff Trump is doing the groundwork was laid by his predecessors. Not just Bush Jr but also Obama, who failed to close Guantanamo. Once you had the precedent established of offshore prison camps to avoid awkward legal constraints that dealing with things domestically would involve, you opened the door for Trump potentially shipping off _anyone_ he doesn't like to such camps. There's a lot of continuity in Trumpism with long-standing US behaviour.
 
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