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Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.
Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:
Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.
  1. It's the player's fault.
  2. It's the reviewer's fault.
  3. It's the developer's fault.
  4. It's AMD's fault.
  5. It's the game's fault.
  6. It's the driver's fault.
  7. It's a system configuration issue.
  8. Wrong settings were tested.
  9. Wrong area was tested.
  10. Wrong games were tested.
  11. 4K is irrelevant.
  12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
  13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
  14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
  15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
  16. It's an anomaly.
  17. It's a console port.
  18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
  19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
  20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
  21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.
According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!
 
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Jaskalas said:
The RTX 750Ti had a mere 2GB of VRAM. I ended up grabbing one just 10 years ago for $118 to fix a power related crash.

8GB today feels like it's worse than 2GB back then.
Am I wrong, was it just as bad and unstable?
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TBH, I never had issues with 2GB cards through those days - and even COVID days when GTX 950 cards were what I could I find.

At that time though, it was full on "low" settings and just deal with 40FPS. I didn't fine them to be unstable, just ugly on games like Borderlands 3.

8GB now is in a similar spot now, IMO, that you are cranking the settings way down - medium on the newest titles - and you are getting last gen visuals in the latest games which is just a bummer. When that card is $200, maybe just playing is enough. At like $400? New? Yikes.
 
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blckgrffn said:
TBH, I never had issues with 2GB cards through those days - and even COVID days when GTX 950 cards were what I could I find.

At that time though, it was full on "low" settings and just deal with 40FPS. I didn't fine them to be unstable, just ugly on games like Borderlands 3.

8GB now is in a similar spot now, IMO, that you are cranking the settings way down - medium on the newest titles - and you are getting last gen visuals in the latest games which is just a bummer. When that card is $200, maybe just playing is enough. At like $400? New? Yikes.
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8gb is fine today for a 50 class card (1080 medium)
Definitely not suitable for 60 (1080p high) or 60 ti (1080p max)

Coming to 5060 ti, I don't see the point of both the cards, 8gb & 16gb. My expectation was that Nvidia would either rebadge the 4070 gddr6 or cut down the 5070 (for $400) . Not sure what they achieved with this 128 bit bus for 60 ti card running on expensive high speed ram
 
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Weak console hardware and 1080p being the most popular monitor and TV resolution, kept things from getting out of hand through most of the 2010s. With 1440 and 4K becoming more popular, plus ray tracing and frame generation, vram demands have increased rapidly compared to when the 750ti released.
 
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Lower price point obviously. While we can assume that GDDR7 is more expensive than GDDR6, I haven't seen any attempt to compare pricing. 16 GB of G6 might be more expensive than 8 GB of G7.
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But they could have rebadged the 4070 gddr5 right ??

It's not like MFG is a must have feature
 
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marees said:
"Devastating difference in performance"

The situation is ripe enough for a class action lawsuit, imo.
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Not really. As long as they are clearly designated properly at 8/16gb SKUs, no law is being broken, at least here in the US.

Side note, my YT player always changes thumbnails and titles to less clickbait-y stuff and I forget this, thought HW Unboxed made ANOTHER video about the 5060ti-8GB 🤣. This is what I saw in my player:

 
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After reading this list you'll probably think "but there are so many settings to change"—yes, that's right. Unless you are willing to play with settings—beyond just selecting a "low" or "medium" profile, you will not get the optimal gaming experience. If you're not willing to work the settings, do not buy an 8 GB card.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti 8 GB Review - So Many Compromises

We review NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5060 Ti 8 GB, the card that NVIDIA doesn't want tested. Especially in VRAM-heavy titles the performance drops, but in many cases it's slightly faster than the more expensive 16 GB version, thanks to improved power efficiency.
www.techpowerup.com

Settings such as these:

Alan Wake 2: With RT, the game simply runs too slow. I found that disabling RT at 1440p with max settings runs very well, as long as you enable DLSS Quality. Thanks to the Transformer DLSS model, it still looks fantastic. To me, DLSS Frame Generation x2 provided the best gaming experience, FG off was too stuttery, and DLSS x3 and x4 had a bit too much latency. Of course, you can improve latency with a higher DLSS upscaling factor like Balanced or Performance, but I rather have the fine details of DLSS Quality than the extra FPS of FG x3. If you really must have ray tracing, RT Low is doable, especially with DLSS Balanced—not worth it in my opinion.
 
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marees said:
After reading this list you'll probably think "but there are so many settings to change"—yes, that's right. Unless you are willing to play with settings—beyond just selecting a "low" or "medium" profile, you will not get the optimal gaming experience. If you're not willing to work the settings, do not buy an 8 GB card.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti 8 GB Review - So Many Compromises

We review NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5060 Ti 8 GB, the card that NVIDIA doesn't want tested. Especially in VRAM-heavy titles the performance drops, but in many cases it's slightly faster than the more expensive 16 GB version, thanks to improved power efficiency.
www.techpowerup.com

Settings such as these:

Alan Wake 2: With RT, the game simply runs too slow. I found that disabling RT at 1440p with max settings runs very well, as long as you enable DLSS Quality. Thanks to the Transformer DLSS model, it still looks fantastic. To me, DLSS Frame Generation x2 provided the best gaming experience, FG off was too stuttery, and DLSS x3 and x4 had a bit too much latency. Of course, you can improve latency with a higher DLSS upscaling factor like Balanced or Performance, but I rather have the fine details of DLSS Quality than the extra FPS of FG x3. If you really must have ray tracing, RT Low is doable, especially with DLSS Balanced—not worth it in my opinion.
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That place is a reality distortion field. The number of members defending a $400+ 8GB card is crazy. The contention is since the 5090 is so expensive $400 is lower budget now. W1z going into details in the conclusion he never does, about how to get playable settings. It's a goddamned joke. And a disservice to the consumers he is supposed to be advising. If it's okay why did Nvidia try to hide it?
 
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That place is a reality distortion field. The number of members defending a $400+ 8GB card is crazy. The contention is since the 5090 is so expensive $400 is lower budget now. W1z going into details in the conclusion he never does, about how to get playable settings. It's a goddamned joke. And a disservice to the consumers he is supposed to be advising. If it's okay why did Nvidia try to hide it?
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I think the issue is whether there should be sub-$400 GPUs now, given inflation... and since the answer is aparently yes, this is what you are going to get.
 
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jpiniero said:
I think the issue is whether there should be sub-$400 GPUs now, given inflation... and since the answer is aparently yes, this is what you are going to get.
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Nonsense.

First: Where are you seeing it for under $400?

Next: I have not read anyone else even so much as hint there should not be a sub $400 market. The very idea sounds like it came straight from Nvidia's big green propaganda machine.
 
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jpiniero said:
I think people are stuck in 2005 still.
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I just checked my records, a quick comparison of 2005 vs 2025 prices from my computer quotes:

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ s939: £107.54
AMD Ryzen 3 4300G: £75.99

512MB DDR1: £30
8GB DDR4: £20

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard: £96.62
MSI B550M PRO-VDH: £94.99

80GB Seagate 7200RPM HDD: £35.24
250GB Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSD: £49.99

But of course it makes complete sense that graphics cards have at least tripled in cost in that time, because of uhhh... inflation, yeah!

(edit: I originally typo'd the HDD as an 8GB drive )
 
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That place is a reality distortion field.
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Some great comedy though.

"To those who have been arguing at length about the 8GB question, here we are. And gee, who called it, eh? What a shocker, right?
I will admit, this card did unexpectedly better in some areas, but somewhat worse in others. Perhaps that is just down to arch differences between Ada and Blackwell. Weird.

Regardless, this card and this review proves two things.
1. That HUB is completely full moose muffins.
2. That 8GB is still enough to do solid gaming at the two most popular resolutions being used today.

Now let the flaming and back-handed nonsense commence."

Full moose muffins lads! Never go full moose!
 
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Ranulf said:
Some great comedy though.

"To those who have been arguing at length about the 8GB question, here we are. And gee, who called it, eh? What a shocker, right?
I will admit, this card did unexpectedly better in some areas, but somewhat worse in others. Perhaps that is just down to arch differences between Ada and Blackwell. Weird.

Regardless, this card and this review proves two things.
1. That HUB is completely full moose muffins.
2. That 8GB is still enough to do solid gaming at the two most popular resolutions being used today.

Now let the flaming and back-handed nonsense commence."

Full moose muffins lads! Never go full moose!
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Shills of a feather flock together. Going after Aussie Steve is rabid dog levels of insanity. He backs up all of his data with video evidence. He shows how the 16GB is okay when the 8GB craps out. The goalpost is a drone at this point.
 
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mikeymikec said:
I just checked my records, a quick comparison of 2005 vs 2025 prices from my computer quotes:

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ s939: £107.54
AMD Ryzen 3 4300G: £75.99
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It is off topic but as BFG rage quit Imma comment.

This is the easiest way to smash the disinformation campaign about Zen pricing. In adjusted dollars bang for buck is the best it has probably ever been. "Hurr durr why is AMD stingy with the cores?!? Why is the price higher than last gen?!? herp derp!" If they are getting paid, their employers need to fire them. They aren't even clever or capable of devising a cohesive and logical narrative. Much like 8GB defenders.
 
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DAPUNISHER said:
It is off topic but as BFG rage quit Imma comment.

This is the easiest way to smash the disinformation campaign about Zen pricing. In adjusted dollars bang for buck is the best it has probably ever been. "Hurr durr why is AMD stingy with the cores?!? Why is the price higher than last gen?!? herp derp!" If they are getting paid, their employers need to fire them. They aren't even clever or capable of devising a cohesive and logical narrative. Much like 8GB defenders.
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Big diff is he is talking about a 5 year old heavily cut down CPU versus back when you couldn't cut much out without it landing in the trash can.

My guess is the 9060 XT's 16 GB Real MSRP will be decently above $400.... now that AMD has figured out what it takes to get people to actually buy their GPUs at launch. That's before tariffs too.
 
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That place is a reality distortion field. The number of members defending a $400+ 8GB card is crazy. The contention is since the 5090 is so expensive $400 is lower budget now. W1z going into details in the conclusion he never does, about how to get playable settings. It's a goddamned joke. And a disservice to the consumers he is supposed to be advising. If it's okay why did Nvidia try to hide it?
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There actually doesn't seem to be that many people defending the card, even on that review discussion it seems pretty negative on the VRAM and pricing. It's just that much like here the couple people saying there's nothing to see here and it's all just a big witch hunt are very vocal about it.
 
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MrTeal said:
There actually doesn't seem to be that many people defending the card, even on that review discussion it seems pretty negative on the VRAM and pricing. It's just that much like here the couple people saying there's nothing to see here and it's all just a big witch hunt are very vocal about it.
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That's both right and wrong. While there may be only 4 or 5 defending it, they comprise a significant percentage of the participants active in the discussion. IMO 4 is 4 too many.

EDIT: This discussion gets worse with every page - https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/5060-ti-8gb-doa.335762/

Now combine it with the defenders here - https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/are-the-8-gb-cards-worth-it.335819/
 
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At $400+ just to get more than 8 GB it's hardly worth buying a discrete card. If AMD had desktop Strix Halo class APUs available you could get something with a similar (or greater) shader count as a 9060 XT and as much RAM as you want to put in the system.

Obviously it's not the same RDNA 4 cores and bandwidth will be a concern for any APU, but AMD can definitely make something to replace this part of the market and may as well if it's going to be mediocre at best parts for far more money than they're worth.
 
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Mopetar said:
At $400+ just to get more than 8 GB it's hardly worth buying a discrete card. If AMD had desktop Strix Halo class APUs available you could get something with a similar (or greater) shader count as a 9060 XT and as much RAM as you want to put in the system.
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The extra costs of Strix Halo are, um... incompatible... with people complaining about $400+ entry level dGPUs.
 
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jpiniero said:
I think the issue is whether there should be sub-$400 GPUs now, given inflation... and since the answer is aparently yes, this is what you are going to get.
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mikeymikec said:
I just checked my records, a quick comparison of 2005 vs 2025 prices from my computer quotes:

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ s939: £107.54
AMD Ryzen 3 4300G: £75.99

512MB DDR1: £30
8GB DDR4: £20

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard: £96.62
MSI B550M PRO-VDH: £94.99

8GB Seagate 7200RPM HDD: £35.24
250GB Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSD: £49.99

But of course it makes complete sense that graphics cards have at least tripled in cost in that time, because of uhhh... inflation, yeah!
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, look at CPU prices over the past 5-6 years. They haven't jumped anywhere near what GPU prices have. Inflation is a tired argument. Hell, I'd bet price/performance has continued to get better with CPU's except perhaps Zen 5.

I will concede GPU's are made up of more parts and prices may have skyrocketed somewhere but I'm inclined to think it is just greed with a side of scalpers. Of course if people will pay these prices, well, ultimately the market decides the "acceptable" price.
 
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