8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

BFG10K · Jul 13, 2021

8GB

Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

It's the player's fault.
It's the reviewer's fault.
It's the developer's fault.
It's AMD's fault.
It's the game's fault.
It's the driver's fault.
It's a system configuration issue.
Wrong settings were tested.
Wrong area was tested.
Wrong games were tested.
4K is irrelevant.
Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
It's an anomaly.
It's a console port.
It's a conspiracy against NV.
8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

TESKATLIPOKA · Apr 24, 2025

Mopetar said:
At $400+ just to get more than 8 GB it's hardly worth buying a discrete card. If AMD had desktop Strix Halo class APUs available you could get something with a similar (or greater) shader count as a 9060 XT and as much RAM as you want to put in the system.

Obviously it's not the same RDNA 4 cores and bandwidth will be a concern for any APU, but AMD can definitely make something to replace this part of the market and may as well if it's going to be mediocre at best parts for far more money than they're worth.

1. 9060XT 16GB will be much faster than Strix Halo's IGP despite 32CU vs 40CU and will have the better architecture.
2a. Strix Halo uses LPDDR5X, so you need a board with soldered memory, which of course can't be later expanded.
2b. or If It supports DIMM DDR5, then you still need 4 modules for Quad-channel and 4x module kits are a lot more expensive, unless you want to try your luck with a pair of 2 module kits.
3. New board, don't think It will be pin compatible with AM5
4. For the strongest iGP you will likely need the 16C32T version and that won't be cheaper than R9 9950X sold for 635 €, while for 9060XT you can go with 9700X sold for 328 €, just this alone saves you >300 €.
Yeah, you can argue that 8C16T vs 16C32T, but honestly for gaming that makes no difference.

So in the end, 9700X+9060XT look like a better choice, unless AMD is willing to drop the price.

MrTeal · Apr 24, 2025

Probably not socketed since AMD is unlikely to develop a new large socket for it, but there's nothing (that I know of) precluding someone like Minisforum putting a Strix Halo on a Mini-ITX or mATX board like they do with the Ryzen laptop chips, and including two LPCAMMs for 256-bit memory.

TESKATLIPOKA · Apr 24, 2025

MrTeal said:
Probably not socketed since AMD is unlikely to develop a new large socket for it, but there's nothing (that I know of) precluding someone like Minisforum putting a Strix Halo on a Mini-ITX or mATX board like they do with the Ryzen laptop chips, and including two LPCAMMs for 256-bit memory.

But that wouldn't be DIY. But yeah, some already showed Strix Halo in mini PCs.

MrTeal · Apr 24, 2025

TESKATLIPOKA said:
But that wouldn't be DIY. But yeah, some already showed Strix Halo in mini PCs.

It's DIY other than the CPU being soldered. You'd still get to choose every other part other than the CPU/MB combo.

Iron Woode · Apr 24, 2025

I am thinking that this poster is psolord in disguise:

But those are Max/Ultra settings. Turn some settings down and the problems go away instantly. Tada...

The answer is that the big picture is lost on some people. You have literal proof in this review that this 8GB card is still a good performer and you're still failing to see the forest for the trees.

DAPUNISHER · Apr 24, 2025

If after reading the TPU review you were left with the impression he is shilling, just you wait for the AMD 8GB review. He is going to make a big deal out of how 8GB is not the problem, AMD's poor memory management is. He'll repeatedly glaze Nvidia for theirs, in teh process. His testing is poor to begin with i.e. testing in undemanding areas of some games, 25 second passes, still photo comparisons of IQ, shilling for only one vendor in the conclusions, basically everything wrong with traditional reviews.

Ranulf · Apr 24, 2025

Come on guys, its all ball bearings... I mean, memory management these days.

Thunder 57 · Apr 24, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
If after reading the TPU review you were left with the impression he is shilling, just you wait for the AMD 8GB review. He is going to make a big deal out of how 8GB is not the problem, AMD's poor memory management is. He'll repeatedly glaze Nvidia for theirs, in teh process. His testing is poor to begin with i.e. testing in undemanding areas of some games, 25 second passes, still photo comparisons of IQ, shilling for only one vendor in the conclusions, basically everything wrong with traditional reviews.

I always loved Jarred Waltons "8GB of Nvidia VRAM is equal to 10GB of AMD VRAM". Now that's shilling to the next level.

Rigg · Apr 24, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
That's both right and wrong. While there may be only 4 or 5 defending it, they comprise a significant percentage of the participants active in the discussion. IMO 4 is 4 too many.

EDIT: This discussion gets worse with every page - https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/5060-ti-8gb-doa.335762/

Now combine it with the defenders here - https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/are-the-8-gb-cards-worth-it.335819/

Gotta love our old pal JustBenching entering the chat. Looks like he's branching out from his intel shilling here into a side gig for shilling for NVIDIA on the TPU forums. Wizard's comments in the review thread and DOA thread are straight out of the @psolord handbook.

Thunder 57 · Apr 24, 2025

Rigg said:
Gotta love our old pal JustBenching entering the chat. Looks like he's branching out from his intel shilling here into a side gig for shilling for NVIDIA on the TPU forums. Wizard's comments in the review thread and DOA thread are straight out of the @psolord handbook.

I read the review thread and some of the comments were just insane. I haven't bothered with the DOA one and probably won't. People will believe what they want to believe.

Rigg · Apr 24, 2025

Thunder 57 said:
I read the review thread and some of the comments were just insane. I haven't bothered with the DOA one and probably won't. People will believe what they want to believe.

Yup. At a certain point you just have to assume people are either arguing in bad faith because of brand loyalty, because they're trolls, or because they're stealth marketers. Aussie Steve's 5060 8GB video is pretty definitive in my view.

DAPUNISHER · Apr 24, 2025

Rigg said:
Gotta love our old pal JustBenching entering the chat. Looks like he's branching out from his intel shilling here into a side gig for shilling for NVIDIA on the TPU forums. Wizard's comments in the review thread and DOA thread are straight out of the @psolord handbook.

I have dubbed him justuserbenchmarking. I am just stoked he posts there and seems happy. I was getting tired of playing whack-a- troll/shill. Has to be a userbenchmark acolyte.

There are some really knowledgeable and helpful folks there, it's a shame the 💩posters are allowed to smear crap everywhere.

Thunder 57 · Apr 24, 2025

Rigg said:
Yup. At a certain point you just have to assume people are either arguing in bad faith because of brand loyalty, because they're trolls, or because they're stealth marketers. Aussie Steve's 5060 8GB video is pretty definitive in my view.

I think it's mostly brand loyalty with a good bit of bad faith mixed in. Trolls are everywhere but usually pretty easy to spot.

Rigg · Apr 24, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
I have dubbed him justuserbenchmarking. I am just stoked he posts there and seems happy. I was getting tired of playing whack-a- troll/shill. Has to be a userbenchmark acolyte.

Lol. That's good. Simple (and perhaps obvious) yet clever. Why didn't I think of that? What a 🤡

There are some really knowledgeable and helpful folks there, it's a shame the 💩posters are allowed to smear crap everywhere.

I only read the review threads over there on occasion. They could definitely use some more active moderation in the forum. Watching Wizard do bench-marketing for NVIDIA kind of makes me want to avoid TPU all together.

marees · Apr 25, 2025

MLID trying to wish the 8gb 9060xt away ???

Thunder 57 · Apr 25, 2025

marees said:
MLID trying to wish the 8gb 9060xt away ???

If AMD is smart they would make the 9060 XT 16GB only. The vanillia 9060 could be 8GB with a 16GB option I suppose.

TESKATLIPOKA · Apr 25, 2025

MrTeal said:
It's DIY other than the CPU being soldered. You'd still get to choose every other part other than the CPU/MB combo.

Only If you can buy CPU+MB+RAM combo. If It's already a built mini PC like what we see so far, then that's no different than a laptop, so clearly not a DIY.

TESKATLIPOKA · Apr 25, 2025

I don't mind If there is 8GB card, but price should be adequate to It <$300. 5060Ti 8GB is honestly too expensive.
I expect AMD will release both 8GB and 16GB version of RX 9060XT. Yeah, they will be criticized for It, but we don't have 24Gbit modules, so they have to use the same number of modules as they do with RX 9070(XT).

marees · Apr 25, 2025

TESKATLIPOKA said:
I don't mind If there is 8GB card, but price should be adequate to It <$300. 5060Ti 8GB is honestly too expensive.
I expect AMD will release both 8GB and 16GB version of RX 9060XT. Yeah, they will be criticized for It, but we don't have 24Gbit modules, so they have to use the same number of modules as they do with RX 9070(XT).

Hopefully they rebadge the 8gb version as 9050xt & sell it for less than $280

Timorous · Apr 25, 2025

TESKATLIPOKA said:
I don't mind If there is 8GB card, but price should be adequate to It <$300. 5060Ti 8GB is honestly too expensive.
I expect AMD will release both 8GB and 16GB version of RX 9060XT. Yeah, they will be criticized for It, but we don't have 24Gbit modules, so they have to use the same number of modules as they do with RX 9070(XT).

They can cut the bus to 96bit and use 6 modules for 12GB. Slower on average than a 128bit 8GB part but won't fall over in the games where 8GB is too little.

marees · Apr 25, 2025

Timorous said:
They can cut the bus to 96bit and use 6 modules for 12GB. Slower on average than a 128bit 8GB part but won't fall over in the games where 8GB is too little.

Yes, it is guaranteed to be slower on average but atleast you don't have to play the game of 'tweaking' the settings

Timorous · Apr 25, 2025

marees said:
Yes, it is guaranteed to be slower on average but atleast you don't have to play the game of 'tweaking' the settings

It will be slower except when it isn't and then it will be faster by a lot or it won't load garbage textures.

Also since these parts have x8 PCIe busses the Vram limitation hurts a lot more, especially on older motherboards with PCIe3 ports.

A 12GB 96bit part is a far far far better compromise in the $250 price range and NV had every opportunity to make the 5060 12GB as with GDDR7 even a 96bit bus it is still a big bandwidth upgrade over the 4060 so it would pretty much always be compute limited.

jpiniero · Apr 25, 2025

Timorous said:
It will be slower except when it isn't and then it will be faster by a lot or it won't load garbage textures.

Also since these parts have x8 PCIe busses the Vram limitation hurts a lot more, especially on older motherboards with PCIe3 ports.

A 12GB 96bit part is a far far far better compromise in the $250 price range and NV had every opportunity to make the 5060 12GB as with GDDR7 even a 96bit bus it is still a big bandwidth upgrade over the 4060 so it would pretty much always be compute limited.

Psst, it's not going to be $250.

TESKATLIPOKA · Apr 25, 2025

marees said:
Yes, it is guaranteed to be slower on average but atleast you don't have to play the game of 'tweaking' the settings

If It doesn't have enough performance then you will need to do some tweaking, but at least texture quality won't need to be reduced.

I wonder If Nvidia is planning to introduce Super models with 24Gbit modules for every chip.
It would look like this ->
RTX 5060 8GB -> 12GB
RTX 5060Ti 8GB/16GB -> 12GB
RTX 5070 12GB -> 18GB
RTX 5070 Ti 16GB -> 24GB
RTX 5080 16GB -> 24GB
RTX 5090 32GB -> 48GB
But 5060Ti and 5080 are already fully enabled, so the only option is higher TDP and with It clocks.

MrTeal · Apr 25, 2025

TESKATLIPOKA said:
Only If you can buy CPU+MB+RAM combo. If It's already a built mini PC like what we see so far, then that's no different than a laptop, so clearly not a DIY.

Why would you need to buy the RAM as a combo? The whole idea is that you can choose the amount that's right for you.

You'd just get the CPU soldered onto the MB, but you could still have upgradable RAM, PCIe/m.2/SATA slots, ATX power, etc. CAMM availability is obviously terrible now, but that could change.

8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

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