Son of senior CIA official killed in Ukraine

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This is so strange.

I misread it at first, and assumed he was fighting for Ukraine, and my thought was "isn't it a bit dangerous for someone with such connections to risk being caught by the Russians?"
...but it seems it's weirder than that - he was, apparently, fighting on the Russian side.

...and for extra weirdness it seems he was (sort of) on the 'left' rather than being MAGA.


In university, Gloss was active in gender equality and environmental protest circles. He joined Rainbow Family, a leftwing environmental protest group, and in 2023 traveled to Hatay, Turkey, to assist in the recovery following the earthquake that killed more than 56,000 people. He had also become increasingly angry at the US for its support of Israel and the war in Gaza.
 
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Seems a bit weird that no investigation took place. Very strange to have an immediate family member join a hostile foreign military. Seems like a threat that could undermine the deputy director's ability to handle classified information (not like this administration cares about that though).

Also very stupid of Russia to waste such a potential high value intelligence asset.
 
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allisolm

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This is so strange.

I misread it at first, and assumed he was fighting for Ukraine, and my thought was "isn't it a bit dangerous for someone with such connections to risk being caught by the Russians?"
...but it seems it's weirder than that - he was, apparently, fighting on the Russian side.

...and for extra weirdness it seems he was (sort of) on the 'left' rather than being MAGA.
That's just too many degrees of weirdness to peel back.
 

Jaskalas

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This is so strange.

I misread it at first, and assumed he was fighting for Ukraine, and my thought was "isn't it a bit dangerous for someone with such connections to risk being caught by the Russians?"
...but it seems it's weirder than that - he was, apparently, fighting on the Russian side.

...and for extra weirdness it seems he was (sort of) on the 'left' rather than being MAGA.
Ronald Reagan and the Republican Party of old were the true blooded enemies of the Soviet Union.
The "left" were the friends of communists, etc.

In more recent times, 2012, it was up to Mitt Romney to warn Barrack Obama that Russia was still evil. Still a great threat. Obama's rebuttal was mockery of the idea.

As of MAGA's takeover, Republicans are 100% on board with Vlad the Butcher and Genocide against undesirables the world over. It is understandable if not all Republicans, and not all Democrats, have yet aligned with this new reality. There are certain to be leftovers and odd ducks who spite the reality we find ourselves in. Not everybody "gets the message".

What is clear, is that the CIA Deputy Director's family fought FOR Russia just last year. They are friendly to Russia and hostile to Ukraine / Europe / NATO. Makes them perfect MAGA.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Ronald Reagan and the Republican Party of old were the true blooded enemies of the Soviet Union.
The "left" were the friends of communists, etc.

In more recent times, 2012, it was up to Mitt Romney to warn Barrack Obama that Russia was still evil. Still a great threat. Obama's rebuttal was mockery of the idea.

As of MAGA's takeover, Republicans are 100% on board with Vlad the Butcher and Genocide against undesirables the world over. It is understandable if not all Republicans, and not all Democrats, have yet aligned with this new reality. There are certain to be leftovers and odd ducks who spite the reality we find ourselves in. Not everybody "gets the message".

What is clear, is that the CIA Deputy Director's family fought FOR Russia just last year. They are friendly to Russia and hostile to Ukraine / Europe / NATO. Makes them perfect MAGA.
There's a point to be made here that my ancestors -- father and his siblings, for example -- made sacrifices and spilled blood for the government we had before Trump, and our position in the world before Trump. No less, the history of the 20th century, with all that blood sweat and tears, shows an investment over a long period of time in faith or trust from our allies, and in alliances which had been forged over a century's time.

Further, this is a moral issue -- to destroy that investment to support a Russian despot, or to stand fast.

Call it harsh criticism, but there is something called a "national character" or a "national spirit", and it may be exhibited with certain generations at certain times.

What we've seen so far, and likely see for some few more years -- hopefully no more than that -- is not "Great Again". We're in trouble, here . . .
 

NostaSeronx

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...and for extra weirdness it seems he was (sort of) on the 'left' rather than being MAGA.
Green-Independents are pro-MAGA/pro-Russia. So, it isn't surprising other "left" groups/individuals have followed suit.

G-Is basically took over the GPUSA with conspiracy theories, etc. So, if they say the Democrats are bad, then they will vote for Republicans. As Republicans share the same conspiracy theories.

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“The US Greens are no longer a member of the global organisation of Green parties,” they wrote. “In part, this fissure resulted from their relationship with parties with authoritarian leaders, and serious policy differences on key issues including Russia’s full scale assault on Ukraine.”

Global Greens = anti-Russia since Crimea. Tariff em, sanction em, boycott em, they are free game.
 
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Moonbeam

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I wonder just how many people realize what American support of Zionist Israel's genocide against the Palestinian people had destroyed any sense that we were the good guys, replacing it with detain and contempt for the so called moral leadership of our country. We now support fascism here and overseas. We have destroyed something that Americans used to be able to take pride in. Now we send bombs to scum. Imagine how decent Israelis must feel.
 
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cytg111

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Well he coulda been a double agent.

Flip that script and there is a position far far left that operates on alternative reality fumes that Russia is still actually communism and is in a holy war vs the capitalistic west.

If you push left far enough you gonna meet the right and vice versa... and then shit gets weird.

You could argue that the far right in US is at that weird spot right now
 
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pmv

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Tankie logic. The US is bad, therefore I must murder Ukrainians!

I keep seeing the word "tankie" here. I heard that word regularly as a child. Then it meant "those on the far left who remained loyal to the USSR after the invasions of Czechoslovakia and Hungary", i.e. Stalinists, as opposed to the anti-Stalinist hard-left (the latter being the ones who most often used the word).

Seems as if the term now gets used for something different... yet almost the same.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Well he coulda been a double agent.

Flip that script and there is a position far far left that operates on alternative reality fumes that Russia is still actually communism and is in a holy war vs the capitalistic west.

If you push left far enough you gonna meet the right and vice versa... and then shit gets weird.

You could argue that the far right in US is at that weird spot right now
If he was a double agent that ended up on the front line of a drone war, someone fucked up real bad.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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Sounds like a Jim Jones situation.

Guy who is broadly for good stuff views the US as an impediment to moving good stuff forward and decides he's going to do what he can to hurt the US for the sake of maybe advancing the good stuff agenda.

Ends vs means kind of thing.

I was trying to avoid the joke but apparently there is no way. These guys get too up their own asses trying to unwind complicated social/geopolitical dynamics and end up drinking their own Flavoraid.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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The double-agent speculation is possible and cannot be dismissed.

Replying to cytg111 in post #11: I don't think my view on this has a partisan taint -- to whit: The Cold War never ended.

Generally and for many decades, mainstream America was sold the idea that we were fighting an ideology exclusively -- communism. People thumped their chest when the USSR gave way to the Russian Commonwealth, insisting that the West won. Therefore the Cold War was "over". This may explain some attitudes of GOP adherents today.

Alexis deTocqueville in "Democracy in America" (1835 and 1840) observed that two great powers would later emerge in history: the USA and Russia (without specifying any particular incarnation).

The acknowledged architect of US strategic doctrine at the beginning of the Cold War was George Kennan. While American television was broadcasting a Saturday-afternoon series entitled "The Big Picture" -- obviously underwritten and orchestrated by the defense establishment (DOD -- possibly CIA), Americans assumed that the target of the Cold War was exclusively the ideology -- communism. Behind the scenes, Kennan himself remarked that the problem was not that the Russians were communist, but that they were Russians -- referring to the fact that Russia had lived under a form of autocracy for a thousand years, and that they had a propensity for totalitarianism or autocracy.

How much was spent on the generally acknowledged "official" Cold War? $12 Trillion? An enormous sum. People soon began to wonder why -- after the end of USSR -- we had not scaled back defense spending appreciably, with the same trend continuing through today. At the beginning of the Obama administration, we were spending about $800 billion annually on defense.

With the arrogant hubris that "America won the Cold War", impatient citizens shifted in their view of Russia -- or rather, some did. The Russian transformation to the Commonwealth of Independent States arose because the USSR empire was too unwieldly, too costly and top-heavy. The Iron Curtain fell away, releasing previous nation-states to their former status, such as Ukraine. Boris Yeltsin notwithstanding, KGB became FSB, Putin followed his own puppet Medvedev, and nothing really changed. This would likely be the continued justification for NATO.

It represents a continued moral choice, based on traditional American values, that Trump and the GOP seem to abandon. The abandonment is based on the illusion that "The Cold War ended".
 

Moonbeam

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Tankie logic. The US is bad, therefore I must murder Ukrainians!
People will do anything to keep the true origin of their hatred of themselves from becoming conscious, namely the what they hate is themselves and if they avoid that self awareness by thinking of themselves as decent Americans and you destroy the reality that was once possible to believe in than you will see people lose themselves to a desire to do violence to what has let them down. Everybody is at risk who does not understand that all violence is done to protect and preserve ego, the function of which is denial of what we really feel.
 

KMFJD

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I keep seeing the word "tankie" here. I heard that word regularly as a child. Then it meant "those on the far left who remained loyal to the USSR after the invasions of Czechoslovakia and Hungary", i.e. Stalinists, as opposed to the anti-Stalinist hard-left (the latter being the ones who most often used the word).

Seems as if the term now gets used for something different... yet almost the same.
centrists love to use that word to describe anyone critical of their paradise
 

pmv

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centrists love to use that word to describe anyone critical of their paradise

I'm just academically curious how the word escaped it's original domain and got repurposed. As I remember it it was one of those terms you never heard other than on the far-left (like "revisionist" and "pabloite"). Hearing it here to describe anyone sympathetic to Putin is the first time I've heard the word in decades.

I suppose it sort-of fits, but Putin is not any sort of communist (though perhaps it could be argued he represents "Stalinism with all the Leninism taken out").
 
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nakedfrog

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I'm just academically curious how the word escaped it's original domain and got repurposed. As I remember it it was one of those terms you never heard other than on the far-left (like "revisionist" and "pabloite"). Hearing it here to describe anyone sympathetic to Putin is the first time I've heard the word in decades.

I suppose it sort-of fits, but Putin is not any sort of communist (though perhaps it could be argued he represents "Stalinism with all the Leninism taken out").
The way I typically hear it used is for leftists who support authoritarianism. I guess maybe a tankie accelerationist would be willing to support Russia? Still obviously a stupid maneuver.
 
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