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Mopetar

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I would not use AI to generate code for drivers. When you're that close to the metal it can be difficult to understand code you've previously written if you haven't looked at it in a year. Good luck understanding anything that the LLM has spit out. LLMs are also not capable of theorem proving and using them for such would be just as foolish.

I don't think Nvidia is foolish enough to use AI for anything their engineers or programmers are doing. The more likely reason is that they don't have enough capable people to do all of the work they need to support their existing customer base alongside the new group that are throwing gobs of money at that so fast it's hard to keep up with.
 

Golgatha

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So I've been relatively lucky with the reported driver issues everyone seems to be experiencing. That is until very recently. The latest drivers and latest hotfix drivers are randomly turning HDR on and off on my system (Win11 Pro 24H2) with the 5070 Ti. I had to revert back to the previous version to fix it.
 
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Ranulf

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Igor's Lab says 50 series cards have hotspot issues.


"Recently, several current graphics card models in the RTX 5000 series, including the RTX 5080, 5070 (Ti) and 5060 Ti in particular, have shown thermal anomalies in the area of local hotspots on the back of the board in my tests. These affect cards from major board partners such as Palit, PNY and MSI as well as variants from other manufacturers, which (have to) largely adhere to the reference design specified by NVIDIA. The thermal load does not manifest itself as a systemic temperature problem of the GPU cores themselves, but in the form of pronounced heat nests below the power supply – often in areas that are hardly cooled or mechanically connected at all when viewed from the rear."
 

poke01

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Okay I had my first driver issue on my 4070 Super which I brought upon myself by downloading a hotfix update.

Anyway, I installed 576.15 and when I restarted my PC, I got the black screen with spinning cursor. Clear driver issue, so I went into safe mode with cmd and rollbacked driver via Device manager back to 576.02 which is the main release one.

Your avg joe isn’t gonna do this. Yes drivers are not perfect especially windows drivers but whatever reputation NV had before with their drivers is all gone to me.

It also looks like the 50 series is the most problematic. I’m not surprised at all tbh considering how bad the launch was for every 50 card.
 

reb0rn

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Igor's Lab says 50 series cards have hotspot issues.


"Recently, several current graphics card models in the RTX 5000 series, including the RTX 5080, 5070 (Ti) and 5060 Ti in particular, have shown thermal anomalies in the area of local hotspots on the back of the board in my tests. These affect cards from major board partners such as Palit, PNY and MSI as well as variants from other manufacturers, which (have to) largely adhere to the reference design specified by NVIDIA. The thermal load does not manifest itself as a systemic temperature problem of the GPU cores themselves, but in the form of pronounced heat nests below the power supply – often in areas that are hardly cooled or mechanically connected at all when viewed from the rear."
This have nothing to do with 5xxx series but with AIB that used bad designed coolers, all test I seen in guru3d none had this issue....
I own Asus prime 5070ti and its its not heating backplate a lot at all
 

GodisanAtheist

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I'm still on 572.70 with my 4070. I haven't had any problems, but when I heard of all the problems I stopped updating. I'll just wait for this to blow over.

-Yeah, NV or AMD, never update to a newer driver unless the current stable one is missing game specific fixes/performance updates that are relevant to you.

Always been my philosophy and lo I haven't really had any major driver issues with either NV or AMD (since Windows Vista which caused all kinds of issues).
 
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Win2012R2

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-Yeah, NV or AMD, never update to a newer driver unless the current stable one is missing game specific fixes/performance updates that are relevant to you.
That's the fundamental problem - these are not really drivers, they are fixes/perf dealing with lazy devs who can't optimize. Drivers should have just followed the spec (with best perf) and that's it, instead lots of game companies now rely on "day one drivers" to deal with their rubbish code. As the result frequent driver releases and less dev time to actually improve driver itself. I blame Nvidia for starting this.
 
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maddie

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That's the fundamental problem - these are not really drivers, they are fixes/perf dealing with lazy devs who can't optimize. Drivers should have just followed the spec (with best perf) and that's it, instead lots of game companies now rely on "day one drivers" to deal with their rubbish code. As the result frequent driver releases and less dev time to actually improve driver itself. I blame Nvidia for starting this.
Maybe, just maybe, this was used as a competitive advantage by Nvidia. Pre-AI, engineering assets were abundant and quick, accurate responses were assured. Now, it begins to have negative consequences, as resources have been diverted and have become scarce relative to demand.

We have to always remember that Nvidia will degrade the environment if it means they continue dominating. The ultimate winner has to be them, not the customer.
 

Win2012R2

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Maybe, just maybe, this was used as a competitive advantage by Nvidia.
Game Ready Drivers - yes, theydunit.

That created a big moat too for any new competitors - Intel Arc may have had a perfect driver as in following exact spec for Vulkan/DX12, but lack of specific optimization for many legacy games sunk them.

If game companies knew they can't rely on vendors often fully funded pretty expensive optimisations for launch then I doubt a lot of games would have been released in terrible perf state they are these days.
 

utahraptor

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Ya I ordered mine and the next morning they that article came out saying it was a problem *sigh*

First impressions of Aorus Master 5090 going from Aorus Master 4090 after 24 hours.

It took me about 3 hours to get my stable diffusion working again. It processes images about 26.6% faster than the 4090.

For gaming the big problem was turning HDR on or off caused my main nice monitor to completely lose signal even if I restarted the graphics driver without a reboot. Only solution was to switch the port the cable was connected to on the GPU or reboot and that would bring the screen back. I installed the latest GeForce hotfix driver dated 4/21 and rebooted and so far that has not happened again.

My card is vertically mounted so I'm mildly worried about that dripping issue. If it does flood the connector for the PCIE ribbon connector its not the end of the world. What is interesting is I just have a PCIE 4.0 riser cable and it will connect at 5.0, but currently I have it at 4.0 in the bios due to me fighting those loss of signal issues. I might change it back to 5.0 if it keeps working.

Edit: I have switched it back to 5.0 mode and will do some gaming to confirm stability. I think it like 1- 5% performance depending on use case.

Second Edit: Its nice to be able to play Marvel Rivals at 4k ultra settings, ultra quality DLSS and no frame gen and get around 120 - 135 fps on my 144 hz monitor. Finally hit Gold III for new season, retired now lol
 
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IEC

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576.02 is causing issues for one of my F@H rigs. Temp reading is inconsistent and will say it is 36C when clearly not (F@H) and causing fans to go at 100% on any load. It's a Gigabyte card and none of the other RTX 5070s (PNY and MSI) are doing it.

Hopefully the next major driver update fixes it. Had intermittent black screen issues on my other rig as well.
 

Tup3x

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576.02 is causing issues for one of my F@H rigs. Temp reading is inconsistent and will say it is 36C when clearly not (F@H) and causing fans to go at 100% on any load. It's a Gigabyte card and none of the other RTX 5070s (PNY and MSI) are doing it.

Hopefully the next major driver update fixes it. Had intermittent black screen issues on my other rig as well.
That has been fixed in 576.15 hotfix driver and it will certainly be fixed in next driver release.
 

utahraptor

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48 hour update with the 5090. The black screens still happen and I have to juggle cables. Even worse is I had to work today and my VMware horizon client apparently crashes the whole driver/computer if gsync is enabled so now I have to turn it off before work and back on after

NGL I used that 4090 for over 2 years I think and never had a single issue other than having to RMA the card twice for dying. In fact I don't remember ever having any kind of driver problem on any graphics card I've ever owned and I've had a ton ATI/AMD/Nvidia. I'm tempted to put the 4090 back in.
 
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Ranulf

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Nvidia getting super variants ready to go so soon? Via Chip Hell forums originally according to this link below:


"Over on the Chiphell forums, regular Nvidia tech leaker panzerlied has named the RTX 5080 Super and 5070 Super as cards that will use 3GB GDDR7 chips, and followed up with their capacities in a later post as 24GB and 18GB respectively. This would suggest that there’s no change in the bus width of both GPUs compared to the current cards, with the new VRAM basically being a drop-in replacement for the 16GB and 12GB cards."
 

utahraptor

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I switched to 576.26 today. I am now not having issues with the vmware horizon client and while my screen does still go black sometimes, I can fix it by switch the port I'm using on the GPU and its less often. I think that black screen is my only lingering problem. I tried RDR2 yesterday and it crashed, but they say this patch might fix it, but I have not tried yet. Maybe I'm having some strange issues in KODI for video playback. Like strangely the colors are kind of over saturated even when HDR is turned off. Like its pretending HDR is on when its not. I normally do use HDR, but it even looked worse when on. I have not tested it much though. What is weird in Marvel Rivals like it won't save settings for video even on the previous drivers. I set the DLSS to ultra quality and disable frame gen, but everytime I load fresh it sets DLSS to quality and enables 4x frame gen which I really don't want. 110 fps without frame gen is superior to 144 with 4x in my opinion.
 
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Golgatha

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Soon, probably not. End of year maybe.
Maybe I'm missing something, but the only thing super about these cards is more VRAM due to higher capacity modules, but they're still GDDR7. Perhaps they can push the power up and get clocks higher on core and/or memory, but that's a pretty limited gain. Maybe they'll cut prices like they did with the 4080 super, i.e. not much performance upgrade, but $200 off of the 4080's price.
 
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