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His kids probably still hate him for leaving them out of his will.

His wife, being the typical frugal oriental woman, tried to save money by avoiding a visit to the doctor. Brittany Murphy did the same thing and paid the same price.
 

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His kids probably still hate him for leaving them out of his will.

His wife, being the typical frugal oriental woman, tried to save money by avoiding a visit to the doctor. Brittany Murphy did the same thing and paid the same price.
Gene Hackman and his wife Betsy's wills have been revealed over two weeks after they were found dead in their home on Feb. 26.

In Hackman's will, per documents obtained by PEOPLE, the late actor appointed Betsy, 65, as the personal representative of his estate and the recipient of his entire estate, citing a trust agreement made Sept. 22, 1995. The will itself was written in June 2005 and submitted in Santa Fe County court March 6.

In the event of Betsy's death, Gene had appointed attorney Michael G. Sutin as his first successor for personal representative of his state. Sutin died in 2019, according to an online obituary that described him as a Santa Fe attorney who died in Texas.

With Sutin's death, Gene appointed Julia L. Peters as his second successor for personal representation of his state. Peters is chief counsel at Avalon Trust Co., a Santa Fe investment firm. Peters' biography on Avalon's website describe her as a former managing partner of the Sutin, Thayer & Browne law firm.
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He left everything to his wife but she died first. It seems entirely possible that his children will inherit his $80,000,000.
 
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I never understood that. They're from a region on the planet that has been known as the Orient for hundreds of years. No one is comparing them to oriental rugs...

the orient is a huge place since it basically means anywhere east of central europe. the chicago oriental institute was founded 100 years ago and mainly deals with places in egypt/israel/iraq/iran/turkey, so they recently renamed it to be more specific (west asia & north africa).
 

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Or just don't be a racist. Someine being frugal has nothing to do with their race. Plenty of white people are pennywise and poundfoolish.
I encountered the idea and term "Asian frugality" at a presentation around 20 years ago put on by Investor's Business Daily. I used to subscribe to their paper. I went to a few of their presentations. This particular one was headed up by an Asian man. At one point he used that term and I took notice, partly because I'd never heard the term. I say "took notice" because in that all day affair it was super easy to not take notice of a lot of stuff. Later in the day I had the opportunity to approach the presenter and ask him a few things. I made mention of that term and told him I could certainly relate. I'd spent a lot of years relatively impoverished and I told him "I think I could show those guys a few things." His smile was priceless.

I say this for reference. I tend to especially like Asians. It wouldn't be wrong to say I think Asians are generally better behaved, have better values than the general populace where I live. I live in an extremely diverse region and in one of its most diverse spots. Of course, people vary. A lot of Asians are well to do, relatively speaking. Many are not. Same can be said for everyone. I figure that guy I spoke to 20 some years ago knew Asian cultures better than I did and maybe ever will. The point is, there are subcultures really all over the world that have characteristics peculiar to them in some degree. If you think they are all like that then you are opening yourself up to qualifying as "racist," sure.

I don't see an Asian and immediately figure they are frugal. They are people. By and large Asians IMO have better values than others at least where I live. They value education (most do), they have strong family ties (in general), they respect others in general. I see them being less problematic, generally speaking. However, and partly because of that experience I related, I figure a lot of Asians have frugal tendencies. Probably my favorite place in the urban area that I inhabit is the local Chinatown (Oakland). I don't hang out there, I don't hang out anywhere, but I have walked its streets many many times over the years, the last time a couple months ago. A lot of the Asians I see there are not typical of the rest of the region. Anyway, I really like the place, the vibe and am always quite curious. I haven't been to San Francisco's famous Chinatown for a number of years but have been having ideas of visiting it again soon. Oakland's has changed a great deal since the pandemic. It's gotten relatively hard to find stores that feature anything other than edibles. I am often looking for other things, although I do shop edibles. The edibles they do feature can be bizarrely different from what you see in supermarkets. It's quite fascinating.
 
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I never understood that. They're from a region on the planet that has been known as the Orient for hundreds of years. No one is comparing them to oriental rugs...
It's come to be regarded as pejorative. What can you do? If people take offence you use other "nomenclature" that they won't be offended by. So, use the word "Asian" instead. Maybe "oriental rug," is still OK, I haven't checked.
 

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Sad that they died.
Sadder that she died from Hantavirus, a treatable condition.
Really sad that they had plenty of money, but still had an apparently prodigious rodent problem that killed her.
Even sadder that he probably didn't even know she had died.
It gets even sadder that he starved to death.
But, for me, the saddest thing is that no one, including his children, has claimed their bodies.
 
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But, for me, the saddest thing is that no one, including his children, has claimed their bodies.
His children are still bitter that he left them out of his will. I once witnessed a heated argument between my aunts about my maternal grandfather. They were so furious with him about something that one of them referred to him as something really vile. I was just a kid so I called her out and said I was gonna tell. Her face went white and she was like, no. You misheard and then her sis joined too in making me believe that I had imagined it.
 

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His children are still bitter that he left them out of his will. I once witnessed a heated argument between my aunts about my maternal grandfather. They were so furious with him about something that one of them referred to him as something really vile. I was just a kid so I called her out and said I was gonna tell. Her face went white and she was like, no. You misheard and then her sis joined too in making me believe that I had imagined it.
My family didn't feature such scenes. There's two sides, like for most people. My father's side is all urban professionals. Stability is the foundation. They are well behaved. One of my cousins married a guy who is apparently a MAGA. The others never talk politics AFAIK. There appears to be no drama! However, unhappiness appears to be missing as well.

My parents too, I never heard them argue.

My mother's side is sort of all over the place. They have a weekly Zoom going for a number of years and anyone with the passcode can show up. I suppose my mother's side is more interesting what with the diversity and attendant mystery. There are characters and much intelligence.
 
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the orient is a huge place since it basically means anywhere east of central europe. the chicago oriental institute was founded 100 years ago and mainly deals with places in egypt/israel/iraq/iran/turkey, so they recently renamed it to be more specific (west asia & north africa).
The Orient originally had a much narrower scope:

 
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I have always loved kitties but am shy to get pets. If I have an S.O. who wants them, I will. By myself, the duties, vet bills and figuring out how they get cared for if I leave for a while I find daunting. Even without pets I find myself with a lot to do.
Same reason why I don't want a pet. Too big a responsibility. And I'm scarred by pet losses (some my fault for being naive and stupid. Others accidents. And one failure where I tried to keep an abandoned kitten alive and followed whatever instructions I could find on the internet but poor thing meowed for two days straight and died of starvation. Wouldn't eat anything. Just kept meowing )
 

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Same reason why I don't want a pet. Too big a responsibility. And I'm scarred by pet losses (some my fault for being naive and stupid. Others accidents. And one failure where I tried to keep an abandoned kitten alive and followed whatever instructions I could find on the internet but poor thing meowed for two days straight and died of starvation. Wouldn't eat anything. Just kept meowing )
I have had one dog, a German Shepard. Had it from a puppy and at around age two, I guess (I was around 12 at the time so don't remember really well) he was hit by a car. He had a bad habit of chasing cars. Vet fixed him up, I remember had a cast on for a while on a leg. Happened a 2nd time and it was deemed that the hip would not withstand the riggers of life and they put him down. They did that before telling me about it and I was, of course, devastated. I know people who when they lose a dog get another but I'm not inclined to do that. We were buddies.

Then there's my parakeet. We rarely went on vacation, in fact there's only one that was as long as a week, 2 weeks I think and I was about 14. Me, folks, sister drove around the west and saw national parks. Brother (20) stayed in the house and was tasked to feeding, etc. the bird. We came home and I found the bird dead on the bottom of the cage. Turned out my brother had gotten sick and was in the hospital, I think a minor operation. I was super sad and buried the critter in the yard. No more parakeets.

My turtles all died, don't know why. They were short lived, maybe a couple. Bad luck with pets. Never had my own cat. The last year I've taken to putting out hummingbird feeders in the yard. They aren't pets, of course.
 
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I was a dumb kid. Made friends with my parakeet. It sat on my shoulder. I was very proud. Took him to my room. Unfortunately, didn't occur to me that it would get spooked and fly off. The ceiling fan killed it. I still hear the awful last cry it gave as it lay on the carpet with its throat slit

The remaining two parakeets got sick. One of them died (I think it was nasal cold or something). When the second one exhibited the same symptoms, I opened the cage and let it fly out. It probably must've died out there but at least it was free.

One more also died due to my stupidity (not even gonna say how. It was all my fault for being dumb. I'm the worst!).

My turtle survived, thankfully. Had to sell it after it got bigger than the palm of my hand.

Just last night I saw something that looked like a small dog on the street. That made me curious as we don't have street dogs here. Getting a bit closer, I saw that it was a persian cat in somewhat bad shape. Abandoned
 
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