The Trump Tariffs thread

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Brovane

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You are acting like this article is god, and taking what both these companies are saying at face value. First of all we already know about what companies are doing to bow down to the orange fascist - Bezos made it very clear himself. What Amazon says is meaningless after the Trump shakedown. Second, the media sucks at covering Trump, this we know from many years of experience.

A 5% reduction in workforce is nothing to sneeze at, and considering the economy was in a totally upward trajectory until three months ago. The single biggest economic factor slowing things down have been the tariffs, and literally ship traffic from China has dropped precipitously - because of, you guessed it, the tariffs - coincidentally a place where Amazon gets a massive bulk of its products from. In fact Amazon was literally going to put the tariff price increase on it's listings, until Bezos bowed to Trump.

These layoffs are a direct result of the tariffs. There is no other way to add 2 + 2 in this instance to be anything but 4. But, not seeing reality and adding things up correctly - that seems to be a really common theme with MAGA

I am not acting that the article is god, just pointing out what is written in the article doesn't support the conclusion in the posting. No, these layoffs are not self evident as being caused from tariffs.

Yes it is a very common theme of MAGA to jump to conclusions to fit their narrative. To me this is like a repeat of the entire suit color for the Pope's funeral. Their is enough shitty stuff that Trump does, that people don't need to jump to conclusions on other stuff. Focus on shit like deportations that directly contradict a court order.
 

MrSquished

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I am not acting that the article is god, just pointing out what is written in the article doesn't support the conclusion in the posting. No, these layoffs are not self evident as being caused from tariffs.

Yes it is a very common theme of MAGA to jump to conclusions to fit their narrative. To me this is like a repeat of the entire suit color for the Pope's funeral. Their is enough shitty stuff that Trump does, that people don't need to jump to conclusions on other stuff. Focus on shit like deportations that directly contradict a court order.
Imagine not thinking the tariffs have anything to do with this. Imagine thinking one can only focus on things written out in stone but can't think about other very obvious things that have a clear correlation and cause and effect.

What a lovely way to be able to exist.
 

Brovane

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Imagine not thinking the tariffs have anything to do with this. Imagine thinking one can only focus on things written out in stone but can't think about other very obvious things that have a clear correlation and cause and effect.

What a lovely way to be able to exist.

Weird that you are so focused on this when there are so many other shitty things that Trump is doing.

What a lovely way to be able to exist.
 

MrSquished

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Weird that you are so focused on this when there are so many other shitty things that Trump is doing.

What a lovely way to be able to exist.
Weird that you can't see my participation in multiple topics about multiple Trump issues, not to mention, your implication that if one gives a shit about tariff effects, one can't be giving a shit about much else. Also, I've made like four posts on this UPS layoff subject, if that's so focused to you to the point it excludes other things, what do you consider an actual impactful dedication of time to a subject that it shuts you out of keeping up with other subjects or dutites? 15 seconds?

The amount of correlation and causation between the tariffs and the Amazon/UPS happenings is insane, I'm sorry that it doesn't make sense to you.
 

MrSquished

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It makes business sense that as Amazon Prime Air receives more aircraft that they have ordered their dependence on other delivery partners would decrease exponentially.


I'll tell you what doesn't make business sense, is using a general Wikipedia article that has zero updates about Amazon air news past 2023 to imply it has a direct relation to what's happening here in 2025. Do you have any recent applicable news?
 
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MrSquished

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Shitlol

Exactly how many people in this country even know that Amazon has their own fleet of aircraft?!?!
😂

I don't know but I got to say it took me awhile after seeing all these Amazon vans out to really start to wonder what the fuck they built. It's very impressive they built such a vast and successful ogistical operation so quickly. I know there have been some casualties along the way, cuz they are a tough business that doesn't really take too much into consideration about The human condition besides making them shop 😁

But from an operational standpoint it's very impressive. I started reading articles about their logistics a few years ago here and there.

I once worked at a startup which had a couple hundred employees at the time in the office. It was fashion based and sold clothing and accessories. Did the photo shoots to the operations, IT, sales, everything was in house. it was all e-commerce back in 2010. I worked with accounts payable and logistics shared our office space. I thought it was nuts what they did. Shit always fascinated me.
 

Indus

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Shitlol

Exactly how many people in this country even know that Amazon has their own fleet of aircraft?!?!

Think I knew the first time I saw a new Amazon prime truck around the block. And I was taken aback like oh Amazon is trying to save money by not hiring UPS/ Fedex to do their deliveries.

That's when I found out they actually had planes for their shipping network too.

But in Canada in some province.. the workers wanted more money so Amazon fired them all and hired a 3rd party company to do deliveries with the exact same rates as it cost them.
 

UNCjigga

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The Amazon Prime Rivian EV trucks are pretty cool I must admit—seeing them more often now in NC. I think Amazon has an exclusive on them and were single handedly keeping Rivian afloat during a tough spell.
 

MrSquished

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The Amazon Prime Rivian EV trucks are pretty cool I must admit—seeing them more often now in NC. I think Amazon has an exclusive on them and were single handedly keeping Rivian afloat during a tough spell.
They used to have an exclusive but thankfully that's over. I remember seeing this article not too long ago about an order from hellofresh the meal kit delivery service.

 

zinfamous

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I am dying laughing

I support the president killing my livelihood


well I hope he loses everything and becomes addicted to oxy.

republicans really need to start learning what consequences mean. Fucking sick and tried of them supporting the most insane ideas of reality and never paying for any of it because liberals are always out their protecting them from their worst instincts. Republicans need to, for the first time in their lives, experience everything they actually desire.
 

Josh128

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That's only a 2% Tarif.
Exactly, and the vendor only just started adding them after Trumps "Liberation Day". They say its for the stainless steel and aluminum that the unit is constructed of. Just imagine if it was 25% or more. If these tariffs have ANY meat to them at all, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Its looking more and more like bluster every day though. I think Trump will fold on almost every tariff that has a significant visible impact to the US public.
 

Heartbreaker

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How does anyone take him seriously in the face of shit like this? I mean seriously for anyone who still supports this idiot how do you make this make sense?

The thought of him winning? YAY GO MARKETS!!! 101 days INTO him in office? Boooo fuck you Biden, still.

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Unfortunately, MAGA listens to Trump like he's Big Brother's Ministry of Truth.

If it's not fresh in your mind Re-Read 1984. First time time I read it decades ago. I thought it was totally silly, since you can't control peoples minds like that. I re-read it a couple of years ago, and I completely reversed my position. 1984 is a terrifyingly plausible book, because I see that kind of MAGA mind control every day in the news.

Tomorrow he could tell them that Trump has always been president. There was no Joe Biden, and they would believe it.
 

nakedfrog

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Unfortunately, MAGA listens to Trump like he's Big Brother's Ministry of Truth.

If it's not fresh in your mind Re-Read 1984. First time time I read it decades ago. I thought it was totally silly, since you can't control peoples minds like that. I re-read it a couple of years ago, and I completely reversed my position. 1984 is a terrifyingly plausible book, because I see that kind of MAGA mind control every day in the news.

Tomorrow he could tell them that Trump has always been president. There was no Joe Biden, and they would believe it.
And Republicans swear up and down that it's the Democrats pulling a 1984.
 
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UPS has 400k+ employees in the US. UPS laying off 20,000 is basically 5% of their labor force, while 20,000 seems like a huge cut it really isn't when you look at how many employees are employed by UPS.

Amazon squeezes the companies that do deliveries for it, very hard for every penny. It seems perfectly plausible to me that UPS would decide that it wouldn't want to deliver packages from Amazon when the margins are shitty. Some clients are not worth keeping.

There is a lot of other shitty things that Trump tariffs are having. From my reading the article linked, I don't see how that article is making the case that Trump's tariff's are causing this.
Hey I’ll take 5% of your pay if it’s not that much.
 

Brovane

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Hey I’ll take 5% of your pay if it’s not that much.

I already give that and more in payroll taxes, sorry. Maybe you can ask for the 5% through the state of CA or the Federal government.

My employer went through a 5% force reduction last year but it was achieved through voluntary separation because people where offered packages with incentives to separate. I don't really see 5% as a big number, it only looks big because UPS has 400k+ employees in the US.
 
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