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kage69

Lifer
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Well your first link is specific to the GenZ group, while the second is yeah, from a propaganda outlet.

Doesn't really address my question about the election though. If it weren't for voter suppression and ballot purges in like 7 states Kamala would have won by a margin of roughly 3%. Maybe people should understand that instead of shitting on the party that isn't actively trying to destroy the country along with our democracy?
 

Amused

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Approval of congressional Democrats among young Americans has dropped to 23%


There's also this one.. if you believe the source:



Bottom line the Chuck Schumer/ Nancy Pelosi party is dying.

Remind me again, what happened in November 2018?

 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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The Democratic polling has come from all sorts of media sources that are credible. I mean that's what happens when you are not only disapproved by the entire Republican party but a huge chunk of your own party is disappointed in you because you absolutely suck at being in opposition party, and have done so for years.

Of course they're going to have the lowest approval rating cuz their own party is split on their approval at best.
 
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esquared

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Unofficially, we must have 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP.
The 4th quarter of 2024 was +2.4%. So we generally can't be in a recession even if 1st quarter 2025
shows negative GDP.


But the NBER is the ultimate arbiter of saying if we are in a recession or not.

"

Who decides when the US is in a recession?​

Eight economists who serve on the Business Cycle Dating Committee, within a nonprofit research organization not affiliated with the federal government known as the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), make the call.

They are appointed by the NBER president James Poterba, who has held the position since 2008, after consultation with committee chairs and the nonprofit’s board of directors.

The committee has maintained a chronology of U.S. business cycles since its creation in 1978. Without an alternate chronology compiled or published by the U.S. government, the committee became the go-to source for formally identifying recessions.

What is a recession?​

The NBER defines a recession as a “significant decline in economic activity that is spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months.” Three criteria – depth, diffusion, and duration – need to be met individually to some degree to formally identify a recession, according to the NBER.

The committee considers several factors including real income, payroll employment, consumer spending, industrial production, and gross domestic product when making its determinations.

“Most of the recessions identified by our procedures do consist of two or more consecutive quarters of declining real GDP, but not all of them,” NBER explains on its website. "
 

biostud

Lifer
Feb 27, 2003
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Unofficially, we must have 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP.
The 4th quarter of 2024 was +2.4%. So we generally can't be in a recession even if 1st quarter 2025
shows negative GDP.


But the NBER is the ultimate arbiter of saying if we are in a recession or not.

"

Who decides when the US is in a recession?​

Eight economists who serve on the Business Cycle Dating Committee, within a nonprofit research organization not affiliated with the federal government known as the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), make the call.

They are appointed by the NBER president James Poterba, who has held the position since 2008, after consultation with committee chairs and the nonprofit’s board of directors.

The committee has maintained a chronology of U.S. business cycles since its creation in 1978. Without an alternate chronology compiled or published by the U.S. government, the committee became the go-to source for formally identifying recessions.

What is a recession?​

The NBER defines a recession as a “significant decline in economic activity that is spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months.” Three criteria – depth, diffusion, and duration – need to be met individually to some degree to formally identify a recession, according to the NBER.

The committee considers several factors including real income, payroll employment, consumer spending, industrial production, and gross domestic product when making its determinations.

“Most of the recessions identified by our procedures do consist of two or more consecutive quarters of declining real GDP, but not all of them,” NBER explains on its website. "
And if many companies have "stocked up" in Q1 it might even not be negative in Q1, but oh boy are Q2 and Q3 and so on going to be "fun" if the Tariffs stay in their current form...
 
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Pens1566

Lifer
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And if many companies have "stocked up" in Q1 it might even not be negative in Q1, but oh boy are Q2 and Q3 and so on going to be "fun" if the Tariffs stay in their current form...

The pain will come way before then. Give it to the end of the month (or so) until we start seeing empty shelves due to slowing/empty container ships and ports.

Companies are already prepping with layoffs in advance. See UPS news from yesterday. It's not the first, and it won't be the last.
 
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biostud

Lifer
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The pain will come way before then. Give it to the end of the month (or so) until we start seeing empty shelves due to slowing/empty container ships and ports.

Companies are already prepping with layoffs in advance. See UPS news from yesterday. It's not the first, and it won't be the last.
Yeah, real life will hit way before, but large companies loss in earnings will show up delayed by some months....

It's like "We cured the disease, unfortunately the patient died"
 
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