At what point are MAGAts finally going to get it?

Viper1j

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I have officially given up.




Almost 100 days into the most loathsome authoritarian regime in American history, and there’s still uncertainty about if and when we call it a dictatorship.

Most Republicans prefer to believe that Trump is merely fulfilling campaign pledges that a majority of voters endorsed. Many Democrats and independents are outraged but prefer to believe we still live in a democracy, albeit one that Trump is testing.


The question I keep asking politicians, political scientists, pundits, and pollsters is what event will trigger their view that we are no longer living in a democracy. To put the question another way: What’s their definition of a dictatorship?

Let me list below the major responses I’ve received. All appear to be growing more probable by the day. Please register your own view in the poll below.

Which of these triggering events would most clearly turn America into a dictatorship?

1. Trump openly and directly defies the Supreme Court.
He does what JD Vance has suggested — tells the court that although it has made its decision, it cannot enforce it. This may occur if and when the court pushes the regime to have Kilmar Abrego Garcia returned from the harsh prison in El Salvador to which he was illegally and unconstitutionally sent. Or it could be triggered by a court decision on birthright citizenship with which Trump disagrees.

2. The Trump regime openly abducts American citizens whom the regime alleges are dangerous, without any hearing. ICE has already done this on several occasions, but it has released them once their citizenship has been established. Yet we seem to be getting close to the point when allegedly “dangerous” American citizens are not released, at least not for months or years.

3. The Trump regime launches criminal investigations of Americans against whom Trump seeks vengeance — people such as former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, former special counsel for the Department of Justice Jack Smith, former President Joe Biden, or anyone else who tried to hold Trump accountable. Trump has threatened such criminal investigations, but none has occurred as yet.

4. The Trump regime directly penalizes individuals or organizations that have criticized it, or explicitly urges Trump supporters to punish any such critic. Here again, Trump and his regime have come close to doing both — consider the penalties imposed on law firms and media corporations that have crossed Trump, or the provocative tweets Trump, Vance, and Musk have posted against perceived enemies — but so far, their efforts have been indirect or made to appear justified by their target’s other alleged malfeasance.

It seems highly likely that at least one of these will tip America into a Trumpian dictatorship. Although some observers believe we’re already in it, most say we’re not there yet but easily could be.
 

Indus

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Not only are they fine with it.. they're loving it!

Talked to one yesterday..

She said.. oh yeah I still support Trump.. just not on tariffs but all these illegals and criminals.. I love what he's doing.. I want them gone. I will vote for him again!
 
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MrSquished

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Poll after poll shows that a majority of Republicans approve of Trump being a more powerful president that can supercede Congress and judges on some policy desires. It's in the 50-60-% range consistently. That means over 40 million Trump voters are completely evil. While the rest are somewhat evil, or stupid.
 
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eelw

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Which was why countries shouldn’t have retaliated against the tariffs. Majority of the goods can’t be sourced elsewhere that the US imports. So let the citizens suffer
 

Viper1j

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Well, Trump has killed Christmas, with Chinese containers sitting on tankers full of toys.

That should be enough to get the party started.
 

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Jaskalas

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The question I keep asking politicians, political scientists, pundits, and pollsters is what event will trigger their view that we are no longer living in a democracy. To put the question another way: What’s their definition of a dictatorship?
For propaganda reasons, Russia still holds elections.
So the answer to your question: never.
MAGA has no need to declare themselves, and every reason to lie. Gives the slaves a false sense of security. Pretend Democracy fuels propaganda. It aids the tyranny.
 
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hal2kilo

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Not only are they fine with it.. they're loving it!

Talked to one yesterday..

She said.. oh yeah I still support Trump.. just not on tariffs but all these illegals and criminals.. I love what he's doing.. I want them gone. I will vote for him again!
When will they be sending white criminals to El Salvador?
 

UNCjigga

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I think the true “American” definition of a dictatorship—in other words, the event that would truly signify the end of the American Republic as defined by the Constitution, would be any one of the 3 co-equal branches of government being subsumed by any of the others.

To some extent, that’s already happened—but it happened in slow motion, with the GOP-led Congress capitulating to Trump and deciding not to act as a check on the Administration. The Senate has confirmed every single Cabinet pick. The Speaker not only defended Trump’s tariff actions, but he actually used a parliamentary trick to ensure that Trump’s imposition of the National Emergencies Act to enact his agenda will essentially go unchallenged throughout the entire remainder of this session without a vote (no 18-calendar day deadline for an emergency vote if now through September is just one long day!)

I think this hasn’t been recognized as an end to the Republic only because the American public is so used to Congressional disfunction. I think the bigger test will be Congress making good on GOP plans to flatten the federal court structure and eliminate judicial barriers to Trump’s agenda. Combine that with Congress’ capitulation *and* throw in a DOJ and Pentagon subservient to Trump, and you have the recipe for American tyranny. So yeah, we’re pretty much there already. Don’t let this Administration’s bumbling incompetence give any false sense of security.
 
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MtnMan

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They won't "finally get it". They are being controlled by a cult, and it will take an intervention and deprogramming.

Deprogramming involves separating individuals from the cult's influence and helping them re-establish their connection to the outside world. It's often initiated by families concerned about a loved one's involvement in a potentially harmful group. You can't separate these people from the cult's influence when they are tuned into Fox, ONN, or right wing nut podcasts 24/7
 

Pens1566

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I'm not sure it's possible for them to "get it". Even when it eventually ends up impacting them directly, there will be some mental(if that's even possible?) gymnastics that will frame whatever negative impact as some 4D chess or other similar movement of the goalposts.

The most likely (if you put a gun to my head and made me pick one) would be severe crippling economic downturn on the level of a depression type event. Mass layoffs, bread lines, etc.
 
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MrSquished

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Certainly looks like Hispanic MAGA is getting it based on recent polls.

Edit: and apparently Asians:
“Ratings among Asian Americans have fallen more sharply than those of most other groups: While nearly half of Asian adults approved of Trump in February (47%), that share has dropped to 29% today. (Estimates for Asian adults are representative of English speakers only.)”


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we have to be careful to separate 'getting it' into two categories

1. they become personally affected in some way and so disapprove, but would have been fine with if it just happened to other people or demographics.

2. people who actually realize that Trump is evil and they made a really really major morally wrong decision.

There's gonna be a lot more in camp 1 than 2. Only 2 are actually redeemable. Gonna be a much smaller group because most MAGA are totally broken and irredeemable, but there will be some Group 2 folks. Group 1 are still just evil selfish fucks.
 

APU_Fusion

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Have you seen greenman, pcgeek, Felix, or Brandonbull even try to view reality objectively and not through the prism of feelings and what Fox News tells them to think?

Maga is a cult. It will dies when its leader does. Trump can literally kill babies on live tv and his based supporters will cheer. They will chant, “yes Dear leader keep killimg them there woke libtard babies before they done become themthere commies” as they clap like lemmings.

Tariffs are paid by the foreign countries right greenman? 🙄
 
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