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NY dems, except AOC, have some of the worst political instincts in the game. Kind of impressive really to just decide to ignore Trump's present most vulnerable issue.
This can no longer be considered bad political instincts, this is political capture. The Democrats are intentionally helping Trump at this point, they have either capitulated to their billionaire handlers, or (and this is a longshot) are intending to allow the GOP to implement their policy in the hopes that it breaks the Republican party.
 

MrSquished

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Yeah Jeffries is a fucking hack; he needs to go almost as much as Schumer.

I'm a little surprised by whitmer destroying her chances to be a candidate I honestly thought she was good. But to show up with Trump like she did yesterday at his fastest rally is just unforgivable. She turned out to be fake, which is, well, good to know now.

Ultimately the nominee if we get to an election in 2028 has to be an actual progressive. Authentic. It has to be someone on an AOC type level. If not her exactly. If she's not in prison by then
 
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Moonbeam

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This can no longer be considered bad political instincts, this is political capture. The Democrats are intentionally helping Trump at this point, they have either capitulated to their billionaire handlers, or (and this is a longshot) are intending to allow the GOP to implement their policy in the hopes that it breaks the Republican party.
Politicians are just people and can only be understood via the realization that all of us have been infected by the disease of self hate. That realization opens up the understanding that human psychology contains a paradox.

The applicable example here is that liberals are conflicted by the desire to create a better world to escape the misery self hate creates all the while unconscious they will in the darkness of the ignorance of their real inner condition, the feelings of worthlessness created by being put down as children, sabotage any real progress because they are convinced at that deeper level we do not deserve it.

We live in a world of walking talking self hating machines devoted to ending their pain via self extinction. The creator is seen in his and her creation. The world that you hate and despise is yourself.

There will be no solutions without the realization that the solutions we creat are there to end the existence of all things.

When you look at Trump you see the titanic phony who is just far more honest in intention than most. You think life would be better without him and he thinks it would be better without you.

Time to go back to sleep.
 

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Politicians are just people and can only be understood via the realization that all of us have been infected by the disease of self hate. That realization opens up the understanding that human psychology contains a paradox.

The applicable example here is that liberals are conflicted by the desire to create a better world to escape the misery self hate creates all the while unconscious they will in the darkness of the ignorance of their real inner condition, the feelings of worthlessness created by being put down as children, sabotage any real progress because they are convinced at that deeper level we do not deserve it.

We live in a world of walking talking self hating machines devoted to ending their pain via self extinction. The creator is seen in his and her creation. The world that you hate and despise is yourself.

There will be no solutions without the realization that the solutions we creat are there to end the existence of all things.

When you look at Trump you see the titanic phony who is just far more honest in intention than most. You think life would be better without him and he thinks it would be better without you.

Time to go back to sleep.
I rarely read your posts because your world view is too simplistic. You are blinded by it. You have only one crayon, and you try to color ever picture with it.
Maybe some of us are trying to oppose hate.
 
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NY dems, except AOC, have some of the worst political instincts in the game. Kind of impressive really to just decide to ignore Trump's present most vulnerable issue.


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Bad political instincts as in they went there while the majority of voters do not care about the issue and were completely ineffective at what they were trying to accomplish?
If they’re going to do it do it right and in full force.
Sadly the guy being held isn’t going to motivate people. This isn’t saying he should be held it is saying I don’t see this as an issue that moves voters to the polls.
 

Moonbeam

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I rarely read your posts because your world view is too simplistic. You are blinded by it. You have only one crayon, and you try to color ever picture with it.
Maybe some of us are trying to oppose hate.
It's not simplicity of view that causes you not to consider my words but the feelings any real consideration of what I say would make you feel. You have no option but to respond defensively with a common rationalization I have heard ad nauseam.

The truth conceals itself owing to its immediate unlikelihood. A saying attributed to people who call themselves idiots owing to the usurpation of the claims to be wisdom-holders by fools.

It is foolish to oppose hate when you are actually full of it. You war with yourself. There is no way out for an ego disgusted with the world it creates. There is no cure out there. The you you believe yourself to be cannot win. Grace will appear to those with humility, who die at the end of their rope. Thought is division, thought is hate, thought is fear. All real knowledge will try to lead you to stop thinking. Relax and be happy. Oh that's right, we don't deserve that.
 

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MrSquished

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The Democratic party establishment is fighting harder against David Hogg than Trump himself. The party is rotten to the core. Repeat after me, the Democratic party is a failure and needs to be cleaned out. It's not that hard. Shouldn't be hard to tell the truth

 
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It's not simplicity of view that causes you not to consider my words but the feelings any real consideration of what I say would make you feel. You have no option but to respond defensively with a common rationalization I have heard ad nauseam.

The truth conceals itself owing to its immediate unlikelihood. A saying attributed to people who call themselves idiots owing to the usurpation of the claims to be wisdom-holders by fools.

It is foolish to oppose hate when you are actually full of it. You war with yourself. There is no way out for an ego disgusted with the world it creates. There is no cure out there. The you you believe yourself to be cannot win. Grace will appear to those with humility, who die at the end of their rope. Thought is division, thought is hate, thought is fear. All real knowledge will try to lead you to stop thinking. Relax and be happy. Oh that's right, we don't deserve that.
No Moonie, I've been reading your pseudo-philosophy for more than 20 years. It is always the same. You have nothing to add to the conversation, just the same tired intellectually vacant tropes you always spew no matter the subject.
 

Moonbeam

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No Moonie, I've been reading your pseudo-philosophy for more than 20 years. It is always the same. You have nothing to add to the conversation, just the same tired intellectually vacant tropes you always spew no matter the subject.
You misunderstand. I told you 20 years ago that you would rather die than know the truth and that, therefore, you would not hear what I have to say. And since I could not offer you words that would penetrate that state of denial, I gave you 20 years of proof of you doing it instead.

I have gone now from being called symplistic to pseudo-philosophical, empty of content, intellectually vacuous, It almost feels as if you have been offended, that I may have touched one of those self hating nerves, not that I expect you woud see it were it the case. And why the put downs? Couldn't be because I appear as some sort of existential threat, right?

On a lighter note, do you know how funny it is to watch someone who hates themselves try to make some other self haters feel the same. A real circus will ensue.
 
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Heartbreaker

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The Democratic party establishment is fighting harder against David Hogg than Trump himself. The party is rotten to the core. Repeat after me, the Democratic party is a failure and needs to be cleaned out. It's not that hard. Shouldn't be hard to tell the truth


It's minutia.

Forget the democratic party, democracy is essentially over in the USA. It's been dismantled in a hundred cuts every day and their isn't much left.

You are in Authoritarianism now, even if it will take some time for realization to sink in.

US democracy didn't end with bang, or even a whimper. It ended with ignorant masses gloating "we owned the Libs".

People are still in denial, because the USA used to be the super power defender of democracy...
 

MrSquished

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These are the kinds of feckless careerist impotent and inept incumbents in safe D districts which Hogg wants to challenge in the primaries with actual Dem candidates who actually give a shit about average people - challengers that will fight - and the Dem establishment and the establishment cult voters are trying to shut it down and destroy Hogg as well - fuck all these fucknuckers

 

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These are the kinds of feckless careerist impotent and inept incumbents in safe D districts which Hogg wants to challenge in the primaries with actual Dem candidates who actually give a shit about average people - challengers that will fight - and the Dem establishment and the establishment cult voters are trying to shut it down and destroy Hogg as well - fuck all these fucknuckers

That's just like the one rep/senator who asked "why are you interested in the federal government all of the sudden?"

Unbelievable. Primary the fuck out of these people. They clearly don't understand the root of the word "representative"
 
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AOC for president? She is right on the heels of Kamala...
The Democrats would have to be absolutely insane to run AOC for President. Did they learn nothing?
Women can't win in a general election. If anything, America has become even more misogynistic in the last decade.
A woman of color has no chance at all. She won't even be able to pull a majority of men of color.
 
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The Democrats would have to be absolutely insane to run AOC for President. Did they learn nothing?
Women can't win in a general election. If anything, America has become even more misogynistic in the last decade.
A woman of color has no chance at all. She won't even be able to pull a majority of men of color.
Hard disagree. four years is a long fucking time in politics, especially when this fucker is destroying the country. The situation is changing daily, and it's been 100 days - there is no way you can apply 2024 political environment to 2028, at all. I can't say for sure but I think by the time we get to 2028, if we have a fair election, it will not matter at all if the nominee is a woman - as long as they are authentic, charismatic, and transformational - everyone is going to be hungering for transformational if we make it there, they will not want the bullshit corporate consultant class incremental safe and timid neo-liberal crap the Dems have been feeding us most of the time.
 

Moonbeam

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Hard disagree. four years is a long fucking time in politics, especially when this fucker is destroying the country. The situation is changing daily, and it's been 100 days - there is no way you can apply 2024 political environment to 2028, at all. I can't say for sure but I think by the time we get to 2028, if we have a fair election, it will not matter at all if the nominee is a woman - as long as they are authentic, charismatic, and transformational - everyone is going to be hungering for transformational if we make it there, they will not want the bullshit corporate consultant class incremental safe and timid neo-liberal crap the Dems have been feeding us most of the time.
But but but, he’s a sane liberal. You know, somebody who wants to run candidates acceptable to the wealthy and the political elite, someone just like most of the other elected spineless worms Democrat knee-benders who managed to pass that test.

The answer is always more sanity of the kind we already have. The first order of business for any self respecting self hater is to go with more of anything that brings more misery and failure.

We need to run candidates who barely pass muster, sufficiently useless to guarantee lack of progress but without falling below what we instinctively know by projection other bigots like ourselves won’t accept, you know, anybody truly progressive, courageous, colored, or female.

God forbid we run somebody who should win over somebody who might but won’t. Self haters know they don’t deserve real change. Put on your blinders and stay in your lane like you were trained from childhood.

And yes, I know, MrSquished, the rage you feel and that all it will do is to make you personally less healthy, but all I can offer you as a solution is to vote for the god within. And yes, I know how much you trust him. Fool me once and whatever……..
 

gothuevos

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Hard disagree. four years is a long fucking time in politics, especially when this fucker is destroying the country. The situation is changing daily, and it's been 100 days - there is no way you can apply 2024 political environment to 2028, at all. I can't say for sure but I think by the time we get to 2028, if we have a fair election, it will not matter at all if the nominee is a woman - as long as they are authentic, charismatic, and transformational - everyone is going to be hungering for transformational if we make it there, they will not want the bullshit corporate consultant class incremental safe and timid neo-liberal crap the Dems have been feeding us most of the time.

I don't disagree about the want for change but I think some things are just hard coded into this country's DNA...and voting for a minority woman for President just doesn't seem to be one of them.

Would the DNC even let her?
 

MrSquished

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I don't disagree about the want for change but I think some things are just hard coded into this country's DNA...and voting for a minority woman for President just doesn't seem to be one of them.

Would the DNC even let her?
I do believe the corrupt Dem establishment class will do whatever it takes to prevent her from winning. Although I'm hoping there is a whole new party replacing the failed Dems by then.

As far as the woman thing being hard-coded in the DNA, Kamala got fucking close even running a relatively poor Dem consultant class milquetoast center-right campaign in a hostile media environment, and more importantly, I think a lot of things can be uncoded from a country's DNA after living through this kind of shit show after multiple years. This shit is gonna change people big time.

The biggest issue will be - any type of free election by then? And if there is, will the Dem establishment still get in the way of anything transformational and authentic and fuck this up for all of us again?
 
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I do believe the corrupt Dem establishment class will do whatever it takes to prevent her from winning. Although I'm hoping there is a whole new party replacing the failed Dems by then.

As far as the woman thing being hard-coded in the DNA, Kamala got fucking close even running a relatively poor Dem consultant class milquetoast center-right campaign in a hostile media environment, and more importantly, I think a lot of things can be uncoded from a country's DNA after living through this kind of shit show after multiple years. This shit is gonna change people big time.

The biggest issue will be - any type of free election by then? And if there is, will the Dem establishment still get in the way of anything transformational and authentic and fuck this up for all of us again?
I know nothing but I would say that the best predictor of the future is the past and that if you want to know the future you need only compare the psychological factors that created the past with the direction of change implicit in the factors that are affecting it today. We can call what is the will of the people as in we have Trump because he won the election.

But the quality and nature of will of the people at any given time is itself is determined by whatever level of awareness it on average it represents. What does this imply here? If they don't want democracy we will not have it and if they do we will.

In the last election people overlooked the fact they were voting for a fascist their anger was so great, but their anger at the product of his fascism has made them even more miserable than they were before so I expect to see some change and I think it's already visible.

Since I first studied biology in high school I have envisioned human society like an amoeba, a flowing mass of protoplasm animated by chemical attraction toward a source of food. In the case of humans the source of animation is provided by what we call complex psychological motivations which, unfortunately for us can require no more conscious awareness to motivate us then those given off by a food source that’s sensed by an amoeba in water.

And that is why the great insight of the Freudian era, the presence of unconscious motivations, long understood in Eastern psychological systems and often thought of as religious, go almost totally ignored.

They are offensive to the ego which says I am the one who determines actions and is in control. Anybody with an ounce of self awareness knows that isn’t the case.

In this way both humanity and amoebas are programmed machines, the product of chemical reactions. But in the case of humans the question must be asked, “Is there a potential to be at cause rather than a leaf in the breeze?” But who will seek who believes via programming he or she is already self awareness? Perhaps only the deeply curious and honest or those in unbearable pain. For the self content, never, barring strange accidents.
 
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MrSquished

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Kamala gave her first speech in months and it was standard milquetoast consultant class center right establishment Dem boiler plate crap.

Unfortunately it doesn't look like she's going to find the spine to break free of this shit that held her back last election. Too she's a part of it now.
 

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Kamala gave her first speech in months and it was standard milquetoast consultant class center right establishment Dem boiler plate crap.

Unfortunately it doesn't look like she's going to find the spine to break free of this shit that held her back last election. Too she's a part of it now.

Meanwhile Pete continues doing what he does best. I keep being more and more impressed by him.

Andrew Schulz & Pete Buttigieg On How America Can Be Number 1
 

UNCjigga

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Kamala gave her first speech in months and it was standard milquetoast consultant class center right establishment Dem boiler plate crap.
I think 90% of the problem is her delivery. For anyone who’s watched “Dope Thief” recently, Kamala lacks the “command voice”. Like Hillary, something about her voice just sounds too shrill and turns men off, regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum. It isn’t a sexual thing—Kate Mulgrew had a great “command voice” on ST: Voyager and I never found her “attractive”—but I could buy her as a leader of men. Other examples: Oprah, Whoopi Goldberg, Sigourney Weaver, Kathy Bates, and Jodie Foster all have a voice for leadership. In Dem politics, Mallory McMorrow’s got the “command voice” too, but I’m not sold on AOC (her voice may benefit from age or a few cigars.)
 
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