Into the Political Malestrom

Perknose

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My alma mater, Swarthmore, is a small liberal arts college. It had only 900 plus students when I went. Everyone knew everyone else, at least by sight. It think they are up to 1,200 now. Now, the brutality of Gaza put the administration between a rock and a hard place. This has been the regrettable result:

 

FelixDeCat

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Everyone should have the right to peacefully protest and not have it threatened, especially against the brutality in Gaza.
 
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UNCjigga

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A peaceful protest is one thing, but a makeshift tent city occupied by a majority of non-students, some of whom vandalized College property as a result is not acceptable and definitely puts international students at risk. School did the right thing.
 

Indus

Lifer
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Everyone should have the right to peacefully protest and not have it threatened, especially against the brutality in Gaza.

Fuck 6000 miles away.. what about what's happening a lot closer like right here??

What about protesting against Americans being deported?

What about protesting about our citizens having their health care stripped to pay for a Trump parade?
 

Heartbreaker

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Everyone should have the right to peacefully protest and not have it threatened, especially against the brutality in Gaza.

But why are they protesting a small art college? At at time when Education/Universities are under siege by the Trump government.

How is the School their enemy? Remember that old saying, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". That makes them Trumps friend...

You know the same government that also wants to own Gaza and build a Trump resort there.

Protest the monstrous government. Not the victims of that government.
 
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Fenixgoon

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A peaceful protest is one thing, but a makeshift tent city occupied by a majority of non-students, some of whom vandalized College property as a result is not acceptable and definitely puts international students at risk. School did the right thing.
I think the presidents letter details a very cautious and thoughtful approach, and forcible removal was the last resort.
it's amazing that we prosecute the protesters of genocide and not the perpetrators of it
Students unfortunately have a lot less power than the head of a state :/
 

Moonbeam

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I think the presidents letter details a very cautious and thoughtful approach, and forcible removal was the last resort.

Students unfortunately have a lot less power than the head of a state :/
Your statement is obviously and patently absurd. Just saying.

The problem is that self hate destroys everything that is reasonable and sane as it is the fundamental cause of irrationality out of the willful ignorance it produces.

And how do you define last resort, the duty of a school president to keep the educational process running smoothly and keeping and the donations and government funding flowing over any concern about genocide next door. That's not his job. Your are assigned roles in society and you must not break them because, I mean lets face it, don't we all want to be the last in line to overwhelm a machine gun next by depleting their ammunition. Cowards doe many times before their deaths and they prefer that to dying that once. It's a cautious and thoughtful way to do things. Who can put themselves in those Palestinians' shoes. I mean, do you want to dwell on the conditions they live under being totally fucked. Maybe they can donate all that broken and graffiti marred furniture to Israel for their wall. What's more unfortunate seems to me is the rationalizations the world goes through while children die because they are 'other'. Most people would kill anybody who tried to hurt a child of theirs, but Palestinian kids, meh.

But on the bright side at least our support of Israel will lead to us being raptured up to heaven any day now. Just need a temple and a red calf or something. The science involved is over my head.
 
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A peaceful protest is one thing, but a makeshift tent city occupied by a majority of non-students, some of whom vandalized College property as a result is not acceptable and definitely puts international students at risk. School did the right thing.
Exactly and action taken was appropriate
 

Moonbeam

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Exactly and action taken was appropriate
I know, only God and military might, and law enforcement used against all of those potentially destructive protesters can keep the university campus from turning into another leveled area of Gaza. We can't have the reactions to military might, political power, and all that is good spreading. The next thing you know and those students and outsiders will be firing rockets into the surrounding neighborhood and we will need to respond by bombing them into extinction.

And all this of course just happens because of antisemitism. All those evil Palestinians want is to make good Jews look bad.
 

KMFJD

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Exactly and action taken was appropriate
I'm pretty sure that the people that did that on the college campus would be ok with facing the slated justice they will receive(and if not fuck them) if at least the genociders where also held accountable for their actions, but alas, the west supports genocide (as long as the victims aren't lilly white) so nothing will be done


in conclusion fuck israel, and fuck American 'justice'
 

mikeymikec

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Fuck 6000 miles away.. what about what's happening a lot closer like right here??

What about protesting against Americans being deported?

What about protesting about our citizens having their health care stripped to pay for a Trump parade?

I think genocide is a worse problem than illegal deportation.

Let people protest things.
 
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KMFJD

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Fuck 6000 miles away.. what about what's happening a lot closer like right here??

What about protesting against Americans being deported?

What about protesting about our citizens having their health care stripped to pay for a Trump parade?
are they being killed by the 10's of thousands? are there over 2 million of them intentionally being withheld food and water?
 
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Jaskalas

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I think genocide is a worse problem than illegal deportation.
Let people protest things.
are they being killed by the 10's of thousands? are there over 2 million of them intentionally being withheld food and water?
If they ignore the fall of Democracy at home, then yes. Those things WILL be happening here in due time.
You do not lose Democracy and keep human rights. The two are one in the same.
 

Jaskalas

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What do you suppose is the likelihood of the kind of person who protests the genocide in Gaza will ignore the end of civilisation at home?
As mentioned above, targeting colleges... as Trump also targets them.
Maybe they have their priorities wrong, and in so doing... are assisting in their own demise.
 
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I know, only God and military might, and law enforcement used against all of those potentially destructive protesters can keep the university campus from turning into another leveled area of Gaza. We can't have the reactions to military might, political power, and all that is good spreading. The next thing you know and those students and outsiders will be firing rockets into the surrounding neighborhood and we will need to respond by bombing them into extinction.

And all this of course just happens because of antisemitism. All those evil Palestinians want is to make good Jews look bad.
Cool where do you live?
We can send over some protesters, they can set up a tent city around your home and spray paint stuff on your home. Does that sound good?
 

Moonbeam

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Cool where do you live?
We can send over some protesters, they can set up a tent city around your home and spray paint stuff on your home. Does that sound good?
A price I would gladly pay if it would stop the killing of innocent Palestinian children. How about you?

Who can live happily with themselves and be a citizen of a country that does or provides aid to do that. My fucking tax dollars going to kill children. It makes me sick. Who is really at cause for the fact that trying to change the government support of Israel killing children is such a massive inconvenience, the protestors or the policy. There is a just way to bring such protests to an end. The college president that ordered the clearing because it was the only logical answer is brain dead or should I say lacking in moral courage. Of course my opinion.

All of this misery we see in the world is all about preserving the phony sacred cows people believe in to hide their self hate behind some imbecilic cow they fantasize is sacred. Why but for the cowardliness to face the utter stupidity of ego beliefs, religious, political, and an infinite number of other self flattering notions, can you give for why so many millions die in moral crusades?

Everybody struts around like a peacock in glorified imaginary feathers masking their hideous devils. But what to do. Nobody asked to be born in a culture the purpose of which is to produce millions of obedient slaves. Maybe the shame that was beaten out of you will surface in some manner owing to some sort of shock some day. Good luck.
 
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A price I would gladly pay if it would stop the killing of innocent Palestinian children. How about you?

Who can live happily with themselves and be a citizen of a country that does or provides aid to do that. My fucking tax dollars going to kill children. It makes me sick. Who is really at cause for the fact that trying to change the government support of Israel killing children is such a massive inconvenience, the protestors or the policy. There is a just way to bring such protests to an end. The college president that ordered the clearing because it was the only logical answer is brain dead or should I say lacking in moral courage. Of course my opinion.

All of this misery we see in the world is all about preserving the phony sacred cows people believe in to hide their self hate behind some imbecilic cow they fantasize is sacred. Why but for the cowardliness to face the utter stupidity of ego beliefs, religious, political, and an infinite number of other self flattering notions, can you give for why so many millions die in moral crusades?

Everybody struts around like a peacock in glorified imaginary feathers masking their hideous devils. But what to do. Nobody asked to be born in a culture the purpose of which is to produce millions of obedient slaves. Maybe the shame that was beaten out of you will surface in some manner owing to some sort of shock some day. Good luck.
Problem is it won’t. Neither side of the issue wants true peace that is why I am staying out of the Palestine/Isreal thing. They have been periodically fighting each other my entire life and neither side keeps their previous agreements. Protest is irrelevant particularly protest from Americans.
Things I don’t like about the current conflict. Hamas unquestionably started this fight.
Appears all the hostages they took were women, children or elderly. There is a reason for this and we both know that reason.
Problem with Isreal is the same as always they do little to nothing to de-escalate the situation and continue to expect unending US support.
 
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Moonbeam

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Problem is it won’t.
What I see which I believe to be correct is that if you are conditioned to think something is impossible, that it won't and can't happen, that in itself will insure it never does because any possible alternative belief will be immediately dismissed as the same. So I do not agree with your opinion.

Neither side of the issue wants true peace that is why I am staying out of the Palestine/Isreal thing. They have been periodically fighting each other my entire life and neither side keeps their previous agreements. Protest is irrelevant particularly protest from Americans.
Things I don’t like about the current conflict. Hamas unquestionably started this fight.
Appears all the hostages they took were women, children or elderly. There is a reason for this and we both know that reason.
Problem with Isreal is the same as always they do little to nothing to de-escalate the situation and continue to expect unending US support.
This is a story you tell yourself that forms the foundation of your opinion. I think it's bull shit. It rationalizes the facts of the condition on the ground and completely ignores the fact that innocent children are dying because of such horrible acts of self justification. Palestinian or Jew X is fighting against the other side so Y gets to kill X's children to teach him a lesson. What sort of a fuck would do that?

Protest is here in this country precisely to end that support. This is how your thinking works. A and B have been fighting forever so they can go fuck themselves. If my country supports A I have to accept that as inevitable. Bye bye children. You say you don't have the ethical values that would impel you to take a side but you have. Our country owing to factors too numerous and complex to enumerate, has taken a side that insure the death on thousands of innocent people.

I just spent some time at the bedside of a very sick and miserable person who kept telling me how horrible she felt feeling sorry for herself because she couldn't get the children in Gaza out of her mind.
 
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What I see which I believe to be correct is that if you are conditioned to think something is impossible, that it won't and can't happen, that in itself will insure it never does because any possible alternative belief will be immediately dismissed as the same. So I do not agree with your opinion.


This is a story you tell yourself that forms the foundation of your opinion. I think it's bull shit. It rationalizes the facts of the condition on the ground and completely ignores the fact that innocent children are dying because of such horrible acts of self justification. Palestinian or Jew X is fighting against the other side so Y gets to kill X's children to teach him a lesson. What sort of a fuck would do that?

Protest is here in this country precisely to end that support. This is how your thinking works. A and B have been fighting forever so they can go fuck themselves. If my country supports A I have to accept that as inevitable. Bye bye children. You say you don't have the ethical values that would impel you to take a side but you have. Our country owing to factors too numerous and complex to enumerate, has taken a side that insure the death on thousands of innocent people.

I just spent some time at the bedside of a very sick and miserable person who kept telling me how horrible she felt feeling sorry for herself because she couldn't get the children in Gaza out of her mind.
And the seemingly large and indiscriminate rocket attack which started this whole thing is not targeting children?
I simply don’t agree with you. I can disagree with what’s going on. I cannot forgive hamas for a large rocket attack which was targeting cities and dense populations. Hamas has a lot of blood on their hands in this round. Palestinians need to stop giving Hamas comfort otherwise they become part of the crime. You can’t play dumb and act like you knew nothing of the attack coming when you live next to the rockets, people must speak up.
 
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Moonbeam

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And the seemingly large and indiscriminate rocket attack which started this whole thing is not targeting children?
I simply don’t agree with you. I can disagree with what’s going on. I cannot forgive hamas for a large rocket attack which was targeting cities and dense populations. Hamas has a lot of blood on their hands in this round. Palestinians need to stop giving Hamas comfort otherwise they become part of the crime. You can’t play dumb and act like you knew nothing of the attack coming when you live next to the rockets, people must speak up.
There seems to be a lot you can’t do like understand cause and effect. Here were the Israelites living peacefully next to happy self determining people and suddenly in the middle of the night and for no earthly reason at all they, launched a rocket attack. They certainly weren’t trying to even out the number of dead or the amount of misery imposed on them by the other side or plead for world attention to pay attention to the conditions Israel imposes on them. No, just out of nowhere they suddenly went rocket nuts. Well who could forgive that. Why would they with such peachy lives they were living? Certainly not someone brainwashed all his life to assume that only Jews are ever the victims. That would be as absurd as imagining the greatest bastion of democracy to appear on this planet to suddenly deciding to become a fascist state.
 
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KMFJD

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an interesting look at two documentaries that where released at the same time , one about the protest against the genocide on the campus of Colombia University and one about students feeling unsafe on American campuses

Blaming a population for their own genocide for daring to resist ever increasing oppression is absolutely disgusting and you need to take a long hard look at yourself.
 
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