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I'm still hoping against everything logical and realistic that Core Ultra 300 series will launch with hyperthreading enabled, Ring: D2D : NGU all at 40 and DDR5-10000 Gear 2, plus an extra P-core or an extra E-core cluster in 385K.
That's too much NVL is the be all end all I think with NVL stable 12000 wouldn't be a dream 🤣
 

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That's too much NVL is the be all end all I think with NVL stable 12000 wouldn't be a dream 🤣

Nova Lake with DDR5-12000 certainly might get close to a 9800X3D in gaming. Who are we kidding, probably not even close lmao
 

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Nova Lake with DDR5-12000 certainly might get close to a 9800X3D in gaming. Who are we kidding, probably not even close lmao
for that matter not even vanilla Zen6 will NVL bLLC has a chance if it comes
 

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Yeah at this price this is a deal if you don't plan to upgrade CPU frequently this should be good.
 
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Must be excess inventory. They want space cleared in their warehouses!

I knew something like this would happen to me. I can barely get 5.3 GHz out of my 245KF and the 265K does 5.5 GHz out of the box!
 
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Must be excess inventory. They want space cleared in their warehouses!

I knew something like this would happen to me. I can barely get 5.3 GHz out of my 245KF and the 265K does 5.5 GHz out of the box!
why did you choose 245K vs a 265K and how much did it cost?
 
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why did you choose 245K vs a 265K and how much did it cost?
Because the 265K was over $440 and I got the 245KF for $334. I was dumb enough to think that there would be decent headroom for clocks based on my experience with 12700K (it can hit 5.4 GHz in winter). Didn't know that Intel would use the crappiest dies for 245KF
 

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Because the 265K was over $440 and I got the 245KF for $334. I was dumb enough to think that there would be decent headroom for clocks based on my experience with 12700K (it can hit 5.4 GHz in winter). Didn't know that Intel would use the crappiest dies for 245KF
It's not a Intel problem imo it's more like N3B isn't suited for such high clocks.
Also for binning 6+8 is shared with ARL-H so there is that as well jacking up the price of 245K.
 
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I think the biggest issue is that TSMC silicon may work better with AMD style curve offsets but Intel XTU has no such option.
 
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Nice article showing how each tuning strategy helps the 265K little by little until the Max-OC config allows it to get some wins.

Kind of a lot of work to get the most out of this CPU and it can be said that not tuning the X3D's makes the comparison look unfair. Wish they had gone the extra mile to do that.
 

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This price is very good if you find a decent size Motherboard and good ram kit and enable 200S boost if you don't plan to upgrade CPU for 4 years.
 
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285K wins overall BUT

there's a catch!


The reviewer put the SSD in a PCIe card, rather than the PCIe 5.0 NVMe slot (known platform regression. 12 GB/s speeds instead of 14 GB/s).
 

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285K wins overall BUT

there's a catch!


The reviewer put the SSD in a PCIe card, rather than the PCIe 5.0 NVMe slot (known platform regression. 12 GB/s speeds instead of 14 GB/s).
He said it reaches P5800X which is not true at all
 
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You can sell your 245K and buy this one and sell the ram stick as well if you don't need it I think it will be cheaper for you.
It's OK for my current needs. Don't really want to spend until the 300 series launches so I can see if the 385K is worth it.

My wishlist for 385K:

6+ GHz ST
5.8 GHz MT
HT
AVX-512 (if it's there and can be enabled, even if the E-cores need to be disabled to use it)
D2D, NGU, Ring latencies all fixed or optimized out of the box
L3 cache increased or existing one with reduced latency
Much better IMC that can hit DDR5-10000 XMP Gear 2 without issue

But considering their current state, we probably won't get any of that. Maybe a 100 MHz speed bump on every K SKU if we are lucky.
 
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