8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

BFG10K · Jul 13, 2021

8GB

Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

It's the player's fault.
It's the reviewer's fault.
It's the developer's fault.
It's AMD's fault.
It's the game's fault.
It's the driver's fault.
It's a system configuration issue.
Wrong settings were tested.
Wrong area was tested.
Wrong games were tested.
4K is irrelevant.
Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
It's an anomaly.
It's a console port.
It's a conspiracy against NV.
8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

DAPUNISHER · Tuesday at 8:41 AM

TLDW = There should not exist a situation where the B580 is faster than a 5060ti, but there are a number of examples here. Some are expectedly embarrassing; some PS5 ports are kryptonite for the 8GB card. Both are tested in the best case scenario PC setup for each card.

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 8:45 AM

Go INTEL ARC!

The 1% lows are horrendously atrocious on the 5060 TitaniumCrap Edition.

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 8:52 AM

One of the worst examples in that video:

This isn't madness. This isn't about settings. The 5060 Ti has been castrated and the wounds are permanently fresh and raw!

I guess this doesn't matter for the future of gaming coz Nvidia will soon debut their virtual games player agent that will play the games on the gamer's behalf and then speed up the gameplay video so the gamer can enjoy the show one day later!

Thunder 57 · Tuesday at 9:01 AM

DAPUNISHER said:
TLDW = There should not exist a situation where the B580 is faster than a 5060ti, but there are a number of examples here. Some are expectedly embarrassing; some PS5 ports are kryptonite for the 8GB card. Both are tested in the best case scenario PC setup for each card.

Have yet to watch but this but if true AMD should do what I said awhile back and limit the 6060 XT to 16GB. Maybe allow 8GB for the vanillia 6060.

EDIT

I forgot to add the obligatory "But muh DLSS!". Not sure if they used that in the video.

SolidQ · Tuesday at 10:30 AM

Interesting that will be minimum like 16GB, optimal 24-32GB(We know PC version will get advanced effects)

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 11:03 AM

SolidQ said:
Interesting that will be minimum like 16GB, optimal 24-32GB(We know PC version will get advanced effects)

Maybe 12GB minimum with normal textures. 13GB minimum with high textures. Very High could be 16GB and Ultra may need more than 16GB.

They want to sell 100 million copies at the very least so can't set Ultra to 32GB. Has to be between 20GB and 32GB. Maybe special features for 5090 to use the extra RAM if Nvidia pays them.

SolidQ · Tuesday at 11:28 AM

igor_kavinski said:
Maybe 12GB minimum with normal textures. 13GB minimum with high textures. Very High could be 16GB and Ultra may need more than 16GB.

I'm assume PC version will be same as PS6 + More RT effects. Here seems base consoles have RTGI(which confirmed) and RT reflections

Mopetar · Tuesday at 12:22 PM

igor_kavinski said:
The 1% lows are horrendously atrocious on the 5060 TitaniumCrap Edition.

They should really rename it. That card doesn't deserve to beat the Titanium moniker. They should pick another element instead.

I think Arsenic accurately describes how poisonous the card is to high frame rates and smooth frame timing. I dub thee 5060 As!

If anyone can figure out how to work another 's' in there at the end it would also perfectly describe what kind of texture quality you're going to get with the 8 GB VRAM.

MrTeal · Tuesday at 1:17 PM

igor_kavinski said:
One of the worst examples in that video:

This isn't madness. This isn't about settings. The 5060 Ti has been castrated and the wounds are permanently fresh and raw!

I guess this doesn't matter for the future of gaming coz Nvidia will soon debut their virtual games player agent that will play the games on the gamer's behalf and then speed up the gameplay video so the gamer can enjoy the show one day later!

In some cases I get the early pushback, where there might be cases highlighted where an 8GB card is getting single digits at 4K in some game and a 16GB competitor is running low 20s. Yeah, 200% faster but neither are really playable.

There are so many examples like this now where the large buffer cards are getting perfectly playable framerates at default settings while the 8GB cards are falling apart. That isn't even a crazy situation, it's 4k but with performance upscaling and very high settings. It's not even playable at 1440p/DLSS-P/VH. Maybe you can go through on a per game basis and tweak individual settings to get the best possible experience, but are the people who are blindly buying 8GB GPUs also the ones who are getting that deep into the weeds? They're just going to turn it down to high and then medium until they find something that doesn't make the game a stuttery mess.

Best part of that screenshot is the power draw. 8GB is holding the 5060 Ti back so much it's pulling 60-70W. Nvidia's crappy choices turned the 5060 Ti into a slot powered 5050.

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 1:38 PM

MrTeal said:
Best part of that screenshot is the power draw. 8GB is holding the 5060 Ti back so much it's pulling 60-70W. Nvidia's crappy choices turned the 5060 Ti into a slot powered 5050.

Great marketing idea!

Introducing the 5060 Ti ICE edition. Runs cool because we made it so!

Ranulf · Tuesday at 2:32 PM

Last of us 2 at 1440p, note the 1% lows:

69fps for the Arc b580 12gb vs 27 for the 5060ti 8gb. But hey, I guess its just HUB being crazy wrong conspiracy dude or something. Its 2025, and your 1440p cards are not the entry level stuff but the mid range $500+ cards. With upscaling AI tech.

I tend to hate the cliche "gaming is dead" meme over the last 20 years but with the price hikes across the board for software and hardware, the industry is not helping itself. They'll just blame tariffs too.

Edit: Hahah, it gets worse. Now Steve gives us, the peasant resolution perf at 1080p:

Ranulf · Tuesday at 2:53 PM

Intel wins at Cyberpunk:

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 2:56 PM

No wonder the B580 is hard to find at MSRP. Seeing these horrible results for the 5060 Ti, next they need to compare it against the B570.

DAPUNISHER · Tuesday at 4:43 PM

Thunder 57 said:
I forgot to add the obligatory "But muh DLSS!". Not sure if they used that in the video.

I know you don't like video content so I'll catch you up. He did. He used FSR with the B580 for consistency but I'd have preferred he used XeSS. The stated reason was that the quality setting does not match the other 2 on res, but I think ultra quality does. I am not certain if every game tested includes it though. Regardless, it didn't save the 8GB. Even when it was performing alright, it was mostly failing to be even close to as fast as the 16GB version.

There was a high CPU usage issue too. Steve speculated it might be due to the CPU memory controller getting worked hard trying to swap assets in and out of system ram causing it.

I think he liked the Computer Base testing, he mentioned he might do content on PCIe speed impact next. Battle Mage can suffer from reduced bandwidth in some titles too, so I hope he includes it.

He was also clear some results were strictly for science as both cards failed to provide a playable experience. He mentioned the 16GB version of the 4060 tie sells used for an average of 40% more than the 8GB and thinks it will be worse yet for the 5060 tie in 2-3 years, which I think most of us also concluded.

DAPUNISHER · Tuesday at 5:10 PM

DAPUNISHER said:
The 'Are 8GB cards worth it?" thread over there is a comedic troll fest. W1zzard indeed, he has cast a powerful spell on them.

LOL they locked the thread. The new HUB video was about to be a bunker buster, and they can't have that. 🤣

Thunder 57 · Tuesday at 6:04 PM

DAPUNISHER said:
I know you don't like video content so I'll catch you up. He did. He used FSR with the B580 for consistency but I'd have preferred he used XeSS. The stated reason was that the quality setting does not match the other 2 on res, but I think ultra quality does. I am not certain if every game tested includes it though. Regardless, it didn't save the 8GB. Even when it was performing alright, it was mostly failing to be even close to as fast as the 16GB version.

There was a high CPU usage issue too. Steve speculated it might be due to the CPU memory controller getting worked hard trying to swap assets in and out of system ram causing it.

I think he liked the Computer Base testing, he mentioned he might do content on PCIe speed impact next. Battle Mage can suffer from reduced bandwidth in some titles too, so I hope he includes it.

He was also clear some results were strictly for science as both cards failed to provide a playable experience. He mentioned the 16GB version of the 4060 tie sells used for an average of 40% more than the 8GB and thinks it will be worse yet for the 5060 tie in 2-3 years, which I think most of us also concluded.

It's not I don't like video content I just hadn't had a chance to view it yet. As long as it provides good information without taking up too much time I am fine with that. HWUB is right up there with GN IMO. Thanks for the TL;DW though.

EDIT

Also, I tend to not watch most videos until the end of the day.

Rigg · 2025-05-07T01:04:52-0400

DAPUNISHER said:
LOL they locked the thread. The new HUB video was about to be a bunker buster, and they can't have that. 🤣

They locked it last night.

PFFT! Who cares about HUB's data anyway! Steve is a biased sellout deliberately spreading misinformation. He's not even using the correct settings!!! I'll wait for a respected reviewer like JayzTwoCents to weigh in. /s

DAPUNISHER · 2025-05-07T11:03:59-0400

Vex must have been reading those TPU threads too. 8GB defense force is shooting blanks while everyone else is launching nukes from orbit at them -

marees · 2025-05-07T16:06:39-0400

Benchmarks

The Last of Us Part II

1080p Native, Very High Preset
At native 1080p using the very high preset, the 8GB 5060 Ti performed poorly, while the B580 ran smoothly. The B580 was 12% faster on average and an astonishing 540% faster for the 1% lows. This likely previews how these GPUs will compare in a few years, even at 1080p with reduced quality settings.

Final Fantasy 16

1440p Upscaling Q, Ultra Preset
Enabling quality upscaling at 1440p drastically improved the B580's performance, delivering around 60 fps and surpassing the 8GB 5060 Ti by 46% – a margin that should never have been possible given the hardware tiers.

Horizon Forbidden West

1440p Upscaling Q, Very High Preset
the B580 averaged 68 fps – a 152% increase in average frame rate and 241% improvement in 1% lows over the 5060 Ti.
1080p Native, Very High Preset
At native 1080p, the B580 maintained a significant lead, offering almost 70% better 1% lows and a smoother experience overall.
1440p Upscaling Q, High Preset
the B580 delivered 76 fps on average and 62 fps for 1% lows, beating the 5060 Ti by 85% and 130%, respectively.

Cyberpunk 2077

1440p Upscaling Q, Ray Tracing: Medium
The B580 provided a smoother experience with 1% lows 87% higher than the 5060 Ti, which was essentially unplayable.

Nvidia's RTX 5060 Ti 8GB is Even Slower than the Intel Arc B580

We test Nvidia's RTX 5060 Ti to reveal why the 8GB version struggles badly in modern games–and how it stacks up against Intel's much cheaper Arc B580...

www.techspot.com

adroc_thurston · 2025-05-07T18:25:00-0400

marees said:
Benchmarks
The Last of Us Part II
1080p Native, Very High Preset
At native 1080p using the very high preset, the 8GB 5060 Ti performed poorly, while the B580 ran smoothly. The B580 was 12% faster on average and an astonishing 540% faster for the 1% lows. This likely previews how these GPUs will compare in a few years, even at 1080p with reduced quality settings.

Final Fantasy 16
1440p Upscaling Q, Ultra Preset
Enabling quality upscaling at 1440p drastically improved the B580's performance, delivering around 60 fps and surpassing the 8GB 5060 Ti by 46% – a margin that should never have been possible given the hardware tiers.

Horizon Forbidden West
1440p Upscaling Q, Very High Preset
the B580 averaged 68 fps – a 152% increase in average frame rate and 241% improvement in 1% lows over the 5060 Ti.
1080p Native, Very High Preset
At native 1080p, the B580 maintained a significant lead, offering almost 70% better 1% lows and a smoother experience overall.
1440p Upscaling Q, High Preset
the B580 delivered 76 fps on average and 62 fps for 1% lows, beating the 5060 Ti by 85% and 130%, respectively.

Cyberpunk 2077
1440p Upscaling Q, Ray Tracing: Medium
The B580 provided a smoother experience with 1% lows 87% higher than the 5060 Ti, which was essentially unplayable.

Nvidia's RTX 5060 Ti 8GB is Even Slower than the Intel Arc B580

We test Nvidia's RTX 5060 Ti to reveal why the 8GB version struggles badly in modern games–and how it stacks up against Intel's much cheaper Arc B580...

www.techspot.com

like yeah 1440p gonna nuke 8GB GPUs.
But I don't think any 8G SKU is marketed for 1440p gameplay.

Jaskalas · 2025-05-07T23:38:55-0400

adroc_thurston said:
But I don't think any 8G SKU is marketed for 1440p gameplay.

Imagine telling RTX 3070 Ti buyers back in the day. That they are 1080p med/low only. Entry level GPU.
And even then, lowest settings are starting to no longer be enough to keep 8GB functioning.

adroc_thurston · 2025-05-07T23:59:38-0400

Jaskalas said:
Imagine telling RTX 3070 Ti buyers back in the day

Ampere was like, 5 years ago.
Whatever.

8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

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