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BonzaiDuck

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Observing Trump's "popularity", that by itself provides a basis for wider social comment.

It proves that half the public is comfortable with a criminal in high office. 34 counts under Judge Merchan is a formal confirmation of fact, but it's not the trial and conviction that counts exclusively. There was enough evidence in the Georgia case, the Florida case, and the DC case that prosecutors in the three state jurisdictions were confident of a conviction, or the high chances of it. Then there is the New York state tax fraud case -- and the civil trial confirming the guilt as rapist or in sexual assault.

"Great Again" would seem like a pipe dream. There was once a "Greatest Generation", and I really doubt they would have reacted in any way other than revulsion at the thought of putting a crook like Trump in the presidency.

I have an Eisenhower silver dollar that I keep. It's a reminder that there was once a time when leaders had Honor and followed a Code. As Democrats, my family could all say "I like Ike". Ike was so great, that Trump would've needed a fire-ladder just to polish Ike's shoes.

Similarly with the electorate. There is nothing responsible, moral or traditionally American about the Trump Base. Of course, there have always been Americans who were ignorant, stupid, Post-Confederate throw-backs, bigots . . . But, for instance, we can't call Fred Trump Sr. one of the "Greatest Generation". He was a contemporary. But he never picked up a rifle and did military service. He only cheated the US Navy in construction contracts to build barracks during the war.

That entire family is morally and civically defective, as are those who support him or them. That's my judgment in the matter, and I'm not going to overthrow that conviction. There will be no parole, no appeal, no pardon, no commutation.
 

DaaQ

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Dec 8, 2018
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This is something that the folks in those red states will never know about. Or if they did, they've been mind fucked into believing that it's just the "usual" liberal hoax meant to make them feel bad about themselves. Nothing's going to be believable or make sense to them unless it comes from Trump, their politically corrupted clergy, Hannity and friends and their gerrymandered leaders in the legislature. So sad....sort'a.
Oh they know about it but only in anecdotal ways. The Drs around here suck, the Hospital got bought out and now sucks even more. Everything in the old hospital now addiction recovery.
Yea they would never see the actual chart or statistics, unless they actually migrate out of the rural. Otherwise it's "aww, they went way too early." Plus they are poor, poorer than median poverty poor, and cannot get the treatments they need including meds.

Something I noticed moving here and now doing what I do, is that the real old houses, the doorways, ceilings, everything regarding one's height, was alot shorter back then. I've been in houses where I have to duck through hall openings, front doors ect. I am only 6'1" on good days.
Observing Trump's "popularity", that by itself provides a basis for wider social comment.

It proves that half the public is comfortable with a criminal in high office. 34 counts under Judge Merchan is a formal confirmation of fact, but it's not the trial and conviction that counts exclusively. There was enough evidence in the Georgia case, the Florida case, and the DC case that prosecutors in the three state jurisdictions were confident of a conviction, or the high chances of it. Then there is the New York state tax fraud case -- and the civil trial confirming the guilt as rapist or in sexual assault.

"Great Again" would seem like a pipe dream. There was once a "Greatest Generation", and I really doubt they would have reacted in any way other than revulsion at the thought of putting a crook like Trump in the presidency.

I have an Eisenhower silver dollar that I keep. It's a reminder that there was once a time when leaders had Honor and followed a Code. As Democrats, my family could all say "I like Ike". Ike was so great, that Trump would've needed a fire-ladder just to polish Ike's shoes.

Similarly with the electorate. There is nothing responsible, moral or traditionally American about the Trump Base. Of course, there have always been Americans who were ignorant, stupid, Post-Confederate throw-backs, bigots . . . But, for instance, we can't call Fred Trump Sr. one of the "Greatest Generation". He was a contemporary. But he never picked up a rifle and did military service. He only cheated the US Navy in construction contracts to build barracks during the war.

That entire family is morally and civically defective, as are those who support him or them. That's my judgment in the matter, and I'm not going to overthrow that conviction. There will be no parole, no appeal, no pardon, no commutation.
I quoted this because the "brainwashing is real" that was my initial reaction.
But thinking more on it, it is generations of propagandizing with FM/AM local radio, and local news broadcasts, and then the FOX being shoveled down their gullets 24/7, where FOX is available in the basic cable plan. IE cheapest, and one would have to move into the middle or top tier packages to get more "news" options.
 
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pete6032

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I forgot to mention that Trump's approvals aren't all that great either.


If you look at the chart, he started at 50 on day one, which is remarkably bad for day 1 of any POTUS. Since then, it's declined to 45. I doubt he's much higher than 40 by year's end.
You don't have to be popular to be president. You just have to be slightly more desirable to a few thousand people in a few swing states. I think Trump still has those people even if his polling numbers are going down.
 

Heartbreaker

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Apr 3, 2006
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So you think he can just run for a third term? LOL

No, if he subverts the Constitution to that extent, there won't BE an election of 2028.

There lots of ways he could still be running the country without technically running for a third term.

He could just switch roles with Vance and runs as VP, but still calls the shots.

Or he could just have someone trusted run, and have himself installed as Co-President like he did for Musk.

Or he could start a war and declare a state of emergency to postpone elections.

This Term has taught that the checks and balances are not strong enough to stop someone willing to break every rule and lie about everything.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Read an interesting article this morning.


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I assume that the short life expectancies in those 2000 born states at the bottom reflect the lack of education, relative poverty and poor dietary habits. Note that they are all southern states.
 
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Muse

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If the republicans in the house ever get their balls back from the bottom drawer of Trumps desk, and it actually got to the Senate, the pressure from the public on their Senators would be like nothing they could ever imagine. The phone lines, email lines, and protests in DC should send a clear message, find him guilty, or spend the rest of your term and life hiding in fear.
It seems like a compass needle points towards magnetic north, in this case the GQP are loath to find fault with an R POTUS, especially the current one, who venomously attacks any and all who oppose him on anything. R senators will deflect if called upon to ratify a House impeachment. Nothing short of necessity would make that happen.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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This is why I can't choose among the radio buttons in the questionnaire.

As much as I wish for something to happen, there's no certainty it would. I'm beginning to worry about this "3rd-term" nonsense, even though it's clear that he cannot do it according to the law. But what does he care about the law? what has he ever cared for it?
He does it because he likes to entertain the idea that he's the favorite of favorites. His vanity knows no bounds.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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There lots of ways he could still be running the country without technically running for a third term.

He could just switch roles with Vance and runs as VP, but still calls the shots.

Or he could just have someone trusted run, and have himself installed as Co-President like he did for Musk.

Or he could start a war and declare a state of emergency to postpone elections.

This Term has taught that the checks and balances are not strong enough to stop someone willing to break every rule and lie about everything.

Yeah, that's what I meant by "there won't be an election." Because he'll cancel it. No, he's not just going to run for a third term. He's going to cause a Constitutional crisis by attempting to stay in office without running.
 
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Muse

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Yeah, that's what I meant by "there won't be an election." Because he'll cancel it. No, he's not just going to run for a third term. He's going to cause a Constitutional crisis by attempting to stay in office without running.
If he attempts that it won't go well for him.

We're already in a constitutional crisis. If he attempts to usurp the processes that take place in a general election it won't go well. He won't be able to justify claims concerning stopping the primaries or any other machinations. The courts will rule against him just like they did in 2020. Attempts at enforcement will be resisted. The Republicans in congress will revolt because they'd be creamed in the election if they don't. Do you imagine that Trump will declare any Republicans in congress automatic shoe-ins? You have some imagination.
 
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DaaQ

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If he attempts that it won't go well for him.

We're already in a constitutional crisis. If he attempts to usurp the processes that take place in a general election it won't go well. He won't be able to justify claims concerning stopping the primaries or any other machinations. The courts will rule against him just like they did in 2020. Attempts at enforcement will be resisted. The Republicans in congress will revolt because they'd be creamed in the election if they don't. Do you imagine that Trump will declare any Republicans in congress automatic shoe-ins? You have some imagination.
I don't think he will live long enough to even attempt a third term. The cognitive decline is apparent and runs in his family, so I have heard.
 
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Heartbreaker

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If he attempts that it won't go well for him.

We're already in a constitutional crisis. If he attempts to usurp the processes that take place in a general election it won't go well. He won't be able to justify claims concerning stopping the primaries or any other machinations. The courts will rule against him just like they did in 2020. Attempts at enforcement will be resisted. The Republicans in congress will revolt because they'd be creamed in the election if they don't. Do you imagine that Trump will declare any Republicans in congress automatic shoe-ins? You have some imagination.

The easiest one is simple letting Vance Run. Vance would be just as bad, even if Trump wasn't pulling the strings.

I think most of the ideas are really the TechnoNazi's pulling the strings.

Vance is buddies with Peter Thiel. Musk/Thiel and cronies essentially want a Techno-dictatorship which explains Musk's zeal in destroying the democratic institutions.

So Trump/No Trump aren't my big concerns. Its whether it's essentially the same Techno-dictators running it behind the scenes.
 
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Pens1566

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Trump's poll #s mean nothing. It's a moral victory (at best) all while EVERYTHING is being torn down to the studs.

Whether he's at 38 or 48 in ~3 weeks when supply chain issues really hit, or in 6 weeks when he's ignored 3 more court decisions, those things are still happening and his polling will have zero to do with stopping any of it.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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Trump's poll #s mean nothing. It's a moral victory (at best) all while EVERYTHING is being torn down to the studs.

Whether he's at 38 or 48 in ~3 weeks when supply chain issues really hit, or in 6 weeks when he's ignored 3 more court decisions, those things are still happening and his polling will have zero to do with stopping any of it.
The courts will be involved. They can find functionaries in contempt and have them incarcerated. A few of those will have people nervous to carry out trump's directives. He can fire and hire but who wants contempt of court on their resumes? Trump will find other snakes to skin. It's his forte. All caps at 2AM, another volley in another alley come the day.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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The courts will be involved. They can find functionaries in contempt and have them incarcerated. A few of those will have people nervous to carry out trump's directives. He can fire and hire but who wants contempt of court on their resumes? Trump will find other snakes to skin. It's his forte. All caps at 2AM, another volley in another alley come the day.
That's very unlikely to happen as the people doing the incarcerating are part of the executive branch.

I do think poll numbers matter as the more unpopular he gets the lower the costs of defying him. I don't think he will stop until he is forced though.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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That's very unlikely to happen as the people doing the incarcerating are part of the executive branch.

I do think poll numbers matter as the more unpopular he gets the lower the costs of defying him. I don't think he will stop until he is forced though.
Even if they aren't arrested, the arrest warrants can be issued. Not a good thing on your resume.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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That's very unlikely to happen as the people doing the incarcerating are part of the executive branch.

I do think poll numbers matter as the more unpopular he gets the lower the costs of defying him. I don't think he will stop until he is forced though.

Pretty much. And the only things that are likely to force him are 1) 10yr t bill catastrophe (or similar economic disaster) and 2) either natural or unnatural causes. Either of which is itself awful.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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If he attempts that it won't go well for him.

We're already in a constitutional crisis. If he attempts to usurp the processes that take place in a general election it won't go well. He won't be able to justify claims concerning stopping the primaries or any other machinations. The courts will rule against him just like they did in 2020. Attempts at enforcement will be resisted. The Republicans in congress will revolt because they'd be creamed in the election if they don't. Do you imagine that Trump will declare any Republicans in congress automatic shoe-ins? You have some imagination.

It doesn't take imagination to envisage what has been done in history multiple times. A would be dictator cancels an election because of a "terrorist attack," be it real or something staged. Like the Reichstag fire.

I don't think he's likely to succeed, but I think he could well try.
 
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MtnMan

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You don't have to be popular to be president. You just have to be slightly more desirable to a few thousand people in a few swing states. I think Trump still has those people even if his polling numbers are going down.
We are still early in the flood or even tsunami of his base losing their jobs, homes, farms, and having their pickup repossessed. You really have to knock these people on their ass to even get their attention, but it's coming.
 
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MtnMan

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Even if they aren't arrested, the arrest warrants can be issued. Not a good thing on your resume.
His base won't change until they feel the pain. They firmly believe that everything bad they want to happen to others won't happen to them. They are racist, misogynic cowards that get their cookies off watching other people suffer, ignorant of the fact Trump thinks everyone that isn't worth at least a billion is just trash.
 

cytg111

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Pssst .... the 20% base, he will deputize them to go after "illegals" and they will forget their pain.

There is no rules.
 
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