8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

BFG10K · Jul 13, 2021

8GB

Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

It's the player's fault.
It's the reviewer's fault.
It's the developer's fault.
It's AMD's fault.
It's the game's fault.
It's the driver's fault.
It's a system configuration issue.
Wrong settings were tested.
Wrong area was tested.
Wrong games were tested.
4K is irrelevant.
Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
It's an anomaly.
It's a console port.
It's a conspiracy against NV.
8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

Timorous · May 8, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
The following screenshot is from the Vex video of monster hunter wilds benchmark on the 4060ti 8GB with DLSS 720 being upscaled to 1440.

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Pristine IQ.

Why would you need more. Just use the correct settings and its fine.

Timorous · May 8, 2025

coercitiv said:
Nvidia may charge exorbitant GPU prices, but they do offer free entertainment in return!
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1920420643813691496

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920426981159534686

If they were brave they would do a review and give the 5060 0 across the board to try and prevent NV from pulling that kind of stunt again.

DAPUNISHER · May 8, 2025

Timorous said:
If they were brave they would do a review and give the 5060 0 across the board to try and prevent NV from pulling that kind of stunt again.

We were told gaming was only 8% of revenue last report. It explains why this generation has that phoned in feel to it. Leather jacket man put more effort into the Denny's Nvidia bytes than he did 50 series. My guess is that when the dust has settled on this debacle, Nvidia will have learned nothing. Besides perhaps, that they have reached the Apple cult status they aspire to.

jpiniero · May 8, 2025

Timorous said:
Pristine IQ.

Why would you need more. Just use the correct settings and its fine.

I mean... it's a $299 (in theory) GPU. What do you expect?

You're going to have to turn the settings down, yeah. nVidia still wants to hit the price points... and this is what you are going to get. It's like the $99 GPUs back in the day.

MrTeal · May 8, 2025

Timorous said:
Pristine IQ.

Why would you need more. Just use the correct settings and its fine.

Obviously they have to keep the visuals consistent for when you catch that wild monster and bring him to your gameskeeper.

Mopetar · May 8, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
The following screenshot is from the Vex video of monster hunter wilds benchmark on the 4060ti 8GB with DLSS 720 being upscaled to 1440.

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BeTtEr ThAn NaTiVe!

DAPUNISHER · May 8, 2025

MrTeal said:
Obviously they have to keep the visuals consistent for when you catch that wild monster and bring him to your gameskeeper.
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You're an unloaded asset Harry!

SolidQ · May 9, 2025

No 8gb in tests.

Vram Usage

jpiniero · May 9, 2025

^^^^

In the scene that Compubase tested, the 5060 Ti 16 GB was 20% faster than the 8 GB.

Doom: The Dark Ages im Benchmark-Test: Benchmarks (WQHD, UWQHD & UHD), Frametimes und VRAM

Doom: The Dark Ages im Test: Benchmarks (WQHD, UWQHD & UHD), Frametimes und VRAM / Das Testsystem und die Benchmark-Szene

www.computerbase.de

OTOH the 4060 was 40-50% faster than the 7600.

Thunder 57 · May 9, 2025

I'll likely want to play "The Dark Ages". I'll probably have to play it on underperforming hardware though just like I did 2016. Unless people want to donate in 2025.

SolidQ · May 9, 2025

What is diffence between low and ultra? 🧐

marees · May 9, 2025

$450

SolidQ said:
if price is real, then strange price strategy from AMD. 450/500/550/600

https://videocardz.com/newz/xfx-radeon-rx-9060-xt-16-8gb-gpus-with-3-3-ghz-clock-listed-by-retailer-price-starts-at-449

DAPUNISHER · May 9, 2025

More Nvidia driver issues in HUB's review. Steve took the time to play long enough for the framebuffer to fill up. To fix the resulting terrible performance, you have to lower the texture pool size. Frame generation was also buggy as hell on the 8GB variant. None of this will show up in 30 seconds passes. He picked a demanding fight to test, and backs up his charts with gameplay. I will be studiously ignoring any reviewer that doesn't.

Timorous · May 9, 2025

marees said:
$450

The retail prices for 9070XT and 9070 were not real. They very rarely are and are usually just placeholders.

Edit. Pre release retail prices I should say.

psolord · May 9, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
More Nvidia driver issues in HUB's review. Steve took the time to play long enough for the framebuffer to fill up. To fix the resulting terrible performance, you have to lower the texture pool size. Frame generation was also buggy as hell on the 8GB variant. None of this will show up in 30 seconds passes. He picked a demanding fight to test, and backs up his charts with gameplay. I will be studiously ignoring any reviewer that doesn't.

Texture pool size, is not a texture quality setting. Higher is better sure, but no-one can directly quantify it. I did show you Indiana Jones with medium pool size on the 3060ti 1080p ultra (on a freagin 4770k too-meaning pcie 3.0 and lower cpu help overall) vs the 9070 everything maxed, on very lengthy runs too. Did you see the 3060ti, having any serious image deficit?

I bet the new Doom will be more of the same. Actually I expected worse. Seems they actually pulled ID tech engine's crap together.

psolord · May 9, 2025

SolidQ said:
No 8gb in tests.

Vram Usage

You should have posted the 1080p results too.

I mean these 41fps of the 3060, really do show how future proof it came out to be. At the end of the day, correct settings is what it will need anyway.

Btw techpowerup which is hated nowadays in this thread, is showing the 3060ti being way more playable than the 3060 and the 16GB 7600XT. I am just as surprised as you are.

DOOM: The Dark Ages Performance Benchmark Review - 40 GPUs Tested

DOOM: The Dark Ages is coming soon, offering an amazing first-person shooter experience with fantastic graphics. The game introduces the brand-new id Tech 8 engine, which improves support for ray-tracing. In our performance review, we examine its graphical fidelity, VRAM usage, and how well it...

www.techpowerup.com

The ironic tone goes towards the thread, not the quoted poster.

psolord · May 9, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
The following screenshot is from the Vex video of monster hunter wilds benchmark on the 4060ti 8GB with DLSS 720 being upscaled to 1440.

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What is the video link?

Also what does this prove? Missing assets on an already bad performance? So what do you need to do? I don't know, maybe lower the freagin settings, which will also help all the pieces fall into place?

And let's remember how good this POS is running on card with higher vram?

These are at freagin 1080p.

Do you want to tell me, that the 6950xt owner, was aspiring at 1080p/60 when he got his super expensive card back?

How is the video ram an issue here and not everything else?

coercitiv · May 9, 2025

psolord said:
I don't know, maybe lower the freagin settings

They'll lower the freagin settings when Nvidia lowers the freagin prices. Until then it's roasting season, and it looks like AMD is next with the 9060 XT 8GB.

Sit back and relax, we got this.

Ranulf · May 10, 2025

Next up on the 8gb chopping block...9600XT8GB at $450 on Amazon pre-order. $520 for 16Gb version. Probably place holder prices but... its 2025.

XFX via Videocardz:

https://videocardz.com/newz/xfx-radeon-rx-9060-xt-16-8gb-gpus-with-3-3-ghz-clock-listed-by-retailer-price-starts-at-449

Thunder 57 · May 10, 2025

Ranulf said:
Next up on the 8gb chopping block...9600XT8GB at $450 on Amazon pre-order. $520 for 16Gb version. Probably place holder prices but... its 2025.

XFX via Videocardz:

https://videocardz.com/newz/xfx-radeon-rx-9060-xt-16-8gb-gpus-with-3-3-ghz-clock-listed-by-retailer-price-starts-at-449

Stupid Youtube video image confirmed.

marees · May 10, 2025

Ranulf said:
Next up on the 8gb chopping block...9600XT8GB at $450 on Amazon pre-order. $520 for 16Gb version. Probably place holder prices but... its 2025.

XFX via Videocardz:

https://videocardz.com/newz/xfx-radeon-rx-9060-xt-16-8gb-gpus-with-3-3-ghz-clock-listed-by-retailer-price-starts-at-449

It would be outrageous if the 9060xt performed BETTER than the 5060 ti but still came with an 8gb option

DAPUNISHER · May 10, 2025

marees said:
It would be outrageous if the 9060xt performed BETTER than the 5060 ti but still came with an 8gb option

It will be another pile of 💩 Unlike the Nvidia turd, AMD will be universally roasted. As my prediction is the Nvidia memory management superiority talking point will get flogged hard. BTW, if you did not watch Aussie Steve's testing, he mentions Nvidia wanted him to push their features. The standard attempt to influence editorial direction as always. Steve made a good joke of it, and laughed it off saying they certainly do have features.

Concerning Doom Dark ages; Has anyone seen the 5060 tie 8GB tested in PCIe 4 or 3 mode? This is the tier of card cats on older hardware upgrade to. AM4 is far and away the best selling chipset of all time. Millions of 3-4-5 series boards and CPUs out there, and none of them are 5.0. A lot of Intel 6 series B and H series and even older chipset owners without 5.0 too. I'd especially be interested in 3.0 as the Ryzen 5500 still sells in the top 5 frequently and has been a top 10 mainstay since last year.

Will the texture pool size or another factor come more into play with less throughput?

Thunder 57 · May 10, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
It will be another pile of 💩 Unlike the Nvidia turd, AMD will be universally roasted. As my prediction is the Nvidia memory management superiority talking point will get flogged hard. BTW, if you did not watch Aussie Steve's testing, he mentions Nvidia wanted him to push their features. The standard attempt to influence editorial direction as always. Steve made a good joke of it, and laughed it off saying they certainly do have features.

Concerning Doom Dark ages; Has anyone seen the 5060 tie 8GB tested in PCIe 4 or 3 mode? This is the tier of card cats on older hardware upgrade to. AM4 is far and away the best selling chipset of all time. Millions of 3-4-5 series boards and CPUs out there, and none of them are 5.0. A lot of Intel 6 series B and H series and even older chipset owners without 5.0 too. I'd especially be interested in 3.0 as the Ryzen 5500 still sells in the top 5 frequently and has been a top 10 mainstay since last year.

Will the texture pool size or another factor come more into play with less throughput?

I like Doom. I'll probably get this one. I also run AM4 and PCIe 3. It should be OK. It's demanding but the IdTech engine is solid.

DAPUNISHER · May 10, 2025

Thunder 57 said:
I like Doom. I'll probably get this one. I also run AM4 and PCIe 3. It should be OK. It's demanding but the IdTech engine is solid.

For sure. But that's not what I am interested in. We have seen the 8GB model tank in PCIe 4.0 mode, and everyone is testing with a 9800X3D or other 5.0 CPU and board. What happens to the 8GB card in 3.0 mode in this title? Will it make little difference or will frame pacing go to hell?

If you don't mind sharing, what CPU, board, GPU combo are you using?

Thunder 57 · May 10, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
For sure. But that's not what I am interested in. We have seen the 8GB model tank in PCIe 4.0 mode, and everyone is testing with a 9800X3D or other 5.0 CPU and board. What happens to the 8GB card in 3.0 mode in this title? Will it make little difference or will frame pacing go to hell?

If you don't mind sharing, what CPU, board, GPU combo are you using?

ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING, 5700X, RX 6600 XT (recently sidegraded from an RX 5700). It'll play it. Not great, but it'll play it. I wanted to get a 6700 XT but that wasn't happening.

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