Discussion Are we already living through World War 3?

Indus

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I know people are slow to name things properly because they're often in shock.. but

Europe vs Russia
India vs Pakistan
China vs USA

It's all happening at it's own merry pace, but it's happening..

So, are we in a world war 3 already?

What do you think?
 

Jaskalas

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China VS USA would be China will kicking us out of Asia. And that'll be the end of that.
Limited extreme violence against armed forces... in places that offend the other country.

China will assert itself as owning Asia. And with modern tech they will achieve that.
I should mention that, without USA stopping North Korea and China, that South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan would cease to exist.


India VS Pakistan.
Would it extend to other nations? Turkey, Iraq, Iran? I dunno.
They seem crazy enough to drop nukes, but even then it seems like an isolated affair at this point.


Europe VS Russia is ongoing. And Ukraine being forced to fight alone is an absolute disgrace. Especially with Russia's self proclaimed goal of recapturing and slaughtering the people of any land a Russian boot has ever walked. All former USSR nations, all former Russian Empire territory. It is complete madness and Russia continues to only double down and fully mobilize towards this end. Ukraine is doing a valiant job holding them off, but let us be honest. It is only due to outside support.

If Russia manages to devour Ukraine, it would grow considerably stronger while Europe's resistance is already splintered and feeble. Each nation may be forced to stand alone as they all slowly die one by one. Either Russia is stopped by an overwhelming conventional force, or nuclear weapons will be used. Probably somewhere in Germany before Russia reaches the French border. This one has the potential for the darkest outcome if it is not stopped early.
 

Pens1566

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China's power is fundamentally an unknown at best. They have little to no real world battlefield experience in the last ~50 years. Their equipment is largely untested. And their doctrine closely mimics that of USSR/Russia. It wouldn't be pretty, but outright saying they would no doubt would win a conventional conflict with the west is a mistake.
 

BoomerD

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China's power is fundamentally an unknown at best. They have little to no real world battlefield experience in the last ~50 years. Their equipment is largely untested. And their doctrine closely mimics that of USSR/Russia. It wouldn't be pretty, but outright saying they would no doubt would win a conventional conflict with the west is a mistake.
The problem is China sheer numbers...they outman us by 10/1...or worse. We MIGHT have superior weapons and in greater numbers, but they seriously outman us and can absorb greater losses than we can.
 

Pens1566

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The problem is China sheer numbers...they outman us by 10/1...or worse. We MIGHT have superior weapons and in greater numbers, but they seriously outman us and can absorb greater losses than we can.

In terms of sheer population? Sure. In terms of standing armed forces? Not really.

And again, their #s advantage is severely blunted by being completely inexperienced and nowhere near as trained.

To be honest, their one real advantage would be geography. Any notional conflict would almost certainly be in their own back yard. Although, that's not always a good thing ... damage to the homeland and all.
 
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Muse

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I know people are slow to name things properly because they're often in shock.. but

Europe vs Russia
India vs Pakistan
China vs USA

It's all happening at it's own merry pace, but it's happening..

So, are we in a world war 3 already?

What do you think?
The atom and especially the hydrogen bomb are history's exclamation mark. The point is, there will be no more world wars. All out war between the most powerful nations on earth in this day and age is, to use a weird but apt way of putting it, 100x as intense, actually 1000x as either of the world wars fought before the mid-point of the 20th century.

A one megaton weapon has the explosive intensity of 1,000,000 tons of TNT.

There will be no more world wars. We may and likely will have calamities of various kinds, including wars, famines, pandemics, gigantic hurricanes, monster earthquakes, rising sea levels decimating major areas of the planet.

I don't believe all-out nuclear war will happen. We're sure not about to see it now, Putin's sabre rattling, notwithstanding.

It's not Europe versus Russia. It's Russian military colonialism being resisted by Europe. Russia's being depleted.

It's not USA vs China in a war. Not a shot AFAIK.

I figure India vs Pakistan is just an intensification of the jostling and skirmishing that boils up from time to time and will cool down and settle, not develop into a war.
 
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Sonikku

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We are already at war. Only it's not being fought with infantry or nukes. It's being fought with cyber warfare.

There's a reason why China has put up with producing our shit so cheaply for so long. They've been stealing American intellectual property all along while slowly repurposing it for themselves to close the technological gap. They tricked the US into making its military dependent on their manufacturing and supply simultaneously, to the point where them slamming on the breaks on rare earth metals and every part and component our military now needs to build and maintain itself would cause serious problems for the US warmachine. While Republicans freaked out over a weather balloon, the Communist Party harvested American data on Tik Tok and beyond at a ludicrous pace. Our government blocked every effort to protect American privacy online because selling it was always so profitable for its mega donors. The communisty party was no doubt only too happy to buy it all up by the boatload. They gradually bought up our debt for years so they could blow up our economy whenever they need to. And even now the communisty party is making a concerted effort to thread a noose around all our necks, eagerly filling in every trade and business gap the US just left wide open for the taking. The US president meanwhile went golfing.

And all of that is even before you take into account Russia. Their invasion of Ukraine and the ensuing cold war fought with the west gave the Communisty Party a point by point breakdown of all the sanctions, tools and tactics the US would use against China in a similar situation. I would be shocked if there weren't already countermeasures under deveolopment. Then you have all the propaganda farms and AI bots on every social media platform pushing bullshit narratives and conspiracy theories that pit Americans against each other, prop up the scum most likely to accelerate the US's decline while undermining the only voices that could save it simultaneously. Then there's all of the dark government money being dumped on youtube from abroad onto channels like Tim Pool that are being propped up by Russia. We've been under attack for years. Most of us don't even know it. And many more at the top probably do but are too busy growing fat off the gravy train our enemies are feeding them in exchange for steering us towards collapse.
 
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Probably.

A lot of what made WWII were a bunch of cobbled together regional conflicts, some of which had been ongoing since the late 1920s.

Climate change hasn't even really started in full. Wait until tens of millions of people around the world are migrating to escape the climate and the ongoing wars.

Ecofascism is still the most likely trajectory for the world, minus a lot of people getting their shit together in a miraculous way.

There will be "good" sides and "bad" sides, and honestly I'm not sure the US is going to make the roster of the "good" side this time. The fascists and their enablers are all able to talk to each other in ways that has never been possible. Ultimately, it's a lot easier to break something than make something, and the only thing fascists are successful at is breaking things.
 
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cytg111

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I know people are slow to name things properly because they're often in shock.. but

Europe vs Russia
India vs Pakistan
China vs USA

It's all happening at it's own merry pace, but it's happening..

So, are we in a world war 3 already?

What do you think?
Wait for two of those pieces to form a real alliance and go at it... Then you have kaboom.
 

Moonbeam

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It was hot yesterday so I opened my bedroom window and while sitting at my computer I heard a voice in the house next door that seemed somewhat loud. I didn’t make out any words or the actual emotions driving it, could have been anger, could have been been to someone in another part of their house, could have been a shouted out cheer over a soccer score, could have been the start of WW3, so I really don’t know. Otherwise, it’s all quiet on the Moonbeam front. Just another nice day.
 

pmv

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If we’re using WWI and WWII as the baselines to describe a world war, then we’re not in WWIII.

When did WWII start, though?

(True story - I remember at school there was a lone American kid, and the teacher once asked that question in a History class, and he immediately answered "1941", only to be told he was wrong, the correct answer was 1939 - though the Chinese might say "1939" wasn't right either)
 

BonzaiDuck

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When did WWII start, though?

(True story - I remember at school there was a lone American kid, and the teacher once asked that question in a History class, and he immediately answered "1941", only to be told he was wrong, the correct answer was 1939 - though the Chinese might say "1939" wasn't right either)
I remember when I predicted some of Trump's behavior accurately before the 2016 election. I was right -- but i seriously underestimated the extreme of it. So we have a moron, lunatic and criminal with a like-minded cabinet, we've got a klepto-crat and criminal oligarch in Russia, then there's Little Rocket Man. I'm sure the Chinese aren't happy, either.

This time, if we get attacked, we're more likely to go it alone. Trump spit at all our allies. Four of the Five-Eyes may not want to share with the fifth one.
 
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Muse

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When did WWII start, though?

(True story - I remember at school there was a lone American kid, and the teacher once asked that question in a History class, and he immediately answered "1941", only to be told he was wrong, the correct answer was 1939 - though the Chinese might say "1939" wasn't right either)
Beginning of September, 1939 IIRC. Germany invaded Poland and essentially concurred it by the end of September. Totally concurring Warsaw was something else, however, look up the Warsaw ghetto.

Interestingly, China fought with the allies against the Japanese.
 

Muse

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I remember when I predicted some of Trump's behavior accurately before the 2016 election. I was right -- but i seriously underestimated the extreme of it. So we have a moron, lunatic and criminal with a like-minded cabinet, we've got a klepto-crat and criminal oligarch in Russia, then there's Little Rocket Man. I'm sure the Chinese aren't happy, either.

This time, if we get attacked, we're more likely to go it alone. Trump spit at all our allies. Four of the Five-Eyes may not want to share with the fifth one.
This is a long video (I watched 75%+ of it last night but opted to "turn in" before the conclusion. It's pretty deep and thorough in explaining the mind-boggling extent of the corruption of Trump 2.0. No former American president comes anywhere close to the level of Trump's raping of the USA.

Anne Applebaum & David Frum on Trump's unprecedented corruption:

 
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Moonbeam

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This is a long video (I watched 75%+ of it last night but opted to "turn in" before the conclusion. It's pretty deep and thorough in explaining the mind-boggling extent of the corruption of Trump 2.0. No former American president comes anywhere close to the level of Trump's raping of the USA.

Anne Applebaum & David Frum on Trump's unprecedented corruption:

I hear Trump is bringing an end to all war. Surely that's a good thing.
 
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Pens1566

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When did WWII start, though?

(True story - I remember at school there was a lone American kid, and the teacher once asked that question in a History class, and he immediately answered "1941", only to be told he was wrong, the correct answer was 1939 - though the Chinese might say "1939" wasn't right either)

Exactly. I remember reading some perspectives from historians and they were in agreement that it's entirely possible to look back (from far in the future, if there is one) and say it started in '14 with the invasion of Crimea.
 

Moonbeam

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It's just horseshit. If you like lies, he's the guy to listen to. Nothing but...
I wish lying were volitional. As I see it I lie every timeI imagine I know something. How can you see and know. Every time you know something you are engaged in internal dialog using thought. Thought requires language and language is always of the past, full of programmed emotional content. To see is to be here now. What I said isn't seeing, it's words about seeing.

When I said I heard Trump is ending all war, I think that opinion started with him. I heard also his tariffs did a real number on China.
 
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Within the first 30 days of the events that effectively started both I and II, Austria-Hungary vs Serbia and Germany vs Poland, we had a large number of countries declare war, make or reinforce alliances and/or invade each other. Certainly by the ends of both 1914 and 1939 many of the world's powers and empires were in some kind of active combat with each other. We just do not have that situation now. Russia has invaded Ukraine, and many of the world's powers are actively supporting Ukraine and economically isolating Russia, but the only countries engaged in actual combat are Russia and Ukraine. India and Pakistan just kicked off and is limited in scope at this time, remains to be seen where that leads. China is not at war/in combat with anyone.
 
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