Did Biden move too far Left? ( can we move this discussion out of the Tariff Thread)

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Indus

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From the framing and tone of this post, and evidenced by the immediate reply and the very post above this one by Indus, its apparent that you and your cohort here dont want objective, civil discussion, but an echo chamber to continue to personally insult me and encourage other hateful individuals to personally insult and attack me instead of addressing the points I made.

This thread is yet more evidence of why the Democratic party has failed so badly in its message that its only pitch to pull in the voter is "We're against Trump!". This is why this country is on the outs-- ignorant, hateful people willing to die or kill than look for actual solutions if there is any possibility that it doesnt align with own preconceived notions. Truth doesnt matter, logic doesnt matter, only feelings matter. If you are ever ready for actual, civil discussion, you may PM me and I'll make a thread to address these issues that isnt designed with such blatant bias from the get go.

The only biases are your own dude.

You linked Tariffs and economy with genitalia and immigration.

No one else did unless you can present evidence the contrary.
 
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Heartbreaker

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From the framing and tone of this post, and evidenced by the immediate reply and the very post above this one by Indus, its apparent that you and your cohort here dont want objective, civil discussion, but an echo chamber to continue to personally insult me and encourage other hateful individuals to personally insult and attack me instead of addressing the points I made.

This thread is yet more evidence of why the Democratic party has failed so badly in its message that its only pitch to pull in the voter is "We're against Trump!". This is why this country is on the outs-- ignorant, hateful people willing to die or kill than look for actual solutions if there is any possibility that it doesnt align with own preconceived notions. Truth doesnt matter, logic doesnt matter, only feelings matter. If you are ever ready for actual, civil discussion, you may PM me and I'll make a thread to address these issues that isnt designed with such blatant bias from the get go.

I just want to get your pollution out of the Tariff thread. Where you repeatedly keep surfacing to spew your nonsense.

You clearly sit far right and tried to play the game of pretending your were "center" and attacked the left with a bunch of unsubstantiated right wing talking points, in the name of "Both Sides"...

It's a garbage tactic.

The only reason the Democrats appear Left, is because the GOP MAGA Right moved to somewhere between 13 century feudal monarchy, and Ghengis Khan. "Please stop cutting off Heads without a trial" --- "Radical leftists! - off with their heads".

I'd like you to understand that most of the "big" controversies, you blame on the Democrats for going too far left, are mainly right wing agitation, blowing everything out of proportion, sowing hatred, and have nothing do with the Democrats. You have completely failed to show any connection between Trans Athletes in sports and Drag Queen Story time and any kind of Democratic government encouragement.

Unless your argument is, that unless your are intolerant of non-binary people/appearance, then you are too far left.
 
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cytg111

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From the framing and tone of this post, and evidenced by the immediate reply and the very post above this one by Indus, its apparent that you and your cohort here dont want objective, civil discussion, but an echo chamber to continue to personally insult me and encourage other hateful individuals to personally insult and attack me instead of addressing the points I made.

This thread is yet more evidence of why the Democratic party has failed so badly in its message that its only pitch to pull in the voter is "We're against Trump!". This is why this country is on the outs-- ignorant, hateful people willing to die or kill than look for actual solutions if there is any possibility that it doesnt align with own preconceived notions. Truth doesnt matter, logic doesnt matter, only feelings matter. If you are ever ready for actual, civil discussion, you may PM me and I'll make a thread to address these issues that isnt designed with such blatant bias from the get go.
OMG DUDE THE WHINING. SHUT THE FUCK UP. WEEE WEEEE WEEE. SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.

Such a sensitive bitchy little Karen you are.

On the subject matter, you have to be a flaming moron to not realize what is wrong with US politics .. Did Biden move to far to the left bla bla bla. No. Corruption is the problem. MONEY BUYS ELECTIONS. The richest man in the world is the problem. The richest men in the world is the problem. Left right yada yada yada, no Trump took donor money to a whole new fucking level.

Your vote DOESNT MATTER -. If the richest people, who is also in charge of media, social media, government data and media (DOGE, Palantir) can just throw money at the "democratic institution" and run a Jim Jones 2.0 campaign and have you all sip cyanide willingly.

YOU ARE FUCKED. But not for the reasons you think.

People talk about the 230 million that Elon threw into the Trump campaign and be outraged over that... The biggest donation Elon made to the Trump agenda was a 44 billion buyout of Twitter. Controlling the algorithm is controlling the vote.

Sucks to be you.
 
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ondma

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How do you suppose things get done?
Executive order. For those who think it is a horrible, evil thing because that is how Trump runs the government, Biden did it too, towards the end of his term (like I already explained) but it was far too late, and they couldn't really use it as a campaign platform, because the obvious question was "Why didnt you do it 2 or 3 years earlier then?" Obviously the damage had been done already, and Biden would have actually been better off to have done nothing. At least then the Dems could have continued to blame Trump for torpedoing the border bill. As it turned out, the action was actually the worst of both worlds. It was too late to change the perception that the Dems were weak on the border, and it made them look like liars, because they could have, and in fact did, do something without the border bill.
 

Heartbreaker

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Executive order. For those who think it is a horrible, evil thing because that is how Trump runs the government, Biden did it too, towards the end of his term (like I already explained) but it was far too late, and they couldn't really use it as a campaign platform, because the obvious question was "Why didnt you do it 2 or 3 years earlier then?" Obviously the damage had been done already, and Biden would have actually been better off to have done nothing. At least then the Dems could have continued to blame Trump for torpedoing the border bill. As it turned out, the action was actually the worst of both worlds. It was too late to change the perception that the Dems were weak on the border, and it made them look like liars, because they could have, and in fact did, do something without the border bill.

Executive Orders cannot override existing laws or the constitution.

If something needs changes to a law, you need to legislate to get those changes.

 
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Moonbeam

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From the framing and tone of this post, and evidenced by the immediate reply and the very post above this one by Indus, its apparent that you and your cohort here dont want objective, civil discussion, but an echo chamber to continue to personally insult me and encourage other hateful individuals to personally insult and attack me instead of addressing the points I made.

This thread is yet more evidence of why the Democratic party has failed so badly in its message that its only pitch to pull in the voter is "We're against Trump!". This is why this country is on the outs-- ignorant, hateful people willing to die or kill than look for actual solutions if there is any possibility that it doesnt align with own preconceived notions. Truth doesnt matter, logic doesnt matter, only feelings matter. If you are ever ready for actual, civil discussion, you may PM me and I'll make a thread to address these issues that isnt designed with such blatant bias from the get go.
What I see is that when two people have opinions that are irreconcilably incompatible and statements affirming one of their opinions is taken by the other as proof of wrongness regardless of which side makes them, then perhaps what
I am really looking at is two sides that feel they have some sort of skin in the game, in short I’m looking at ego.

The argument isn’t about truth so much as it is about protecting sacred cows that each feels is under attack.

That makes me wonder where they got their religion and why they believe it.

That question broke my life but the answer saved me.
 

manly

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Executive order. For those who think it is a horrible, evil thing because that is how Trump runs the government, Biden did it too, towards the end of his term (like I already explained) but it was far too late, and they couldn't really use it as a campaign platform, because the obvious question was "Why didnt you do it 2 or 3 years earlier then?" Obviously the damage had been done already, and Biden would have actually been better off to have done nothing. At least then the Dems could have continued to blame Trump for torpedoing the border bill. As it turned out, the action was actually the worst of both worlds. It was too late to change the perception that the Dems were weak on the border, and it made them look like liars, because they could have, and in fact did, do something without the border bill.
Most of the Trump border playbook is illegal or immoral, and was already tossed by federal courts in his first term. The only reason he got away with it in the final year was COVID was dropped into his lap, and he asserted Title 42 to close migrant processing down. Note that Biden didn't immediately revoke Title 42; he waited until the pandemic officially ended (although that was partly a political consideration).

I'm not saying Biden was powerless to act, but the difference is that Dems generally tend to follow the rule of law. And that's why we gift-wrapped a tough bipartisan border bill for the GOP, only to have Trump stab everyone in the back. You're right that politically it worked out for Trump and the GOP, because they have little interest in fixing the border crisis or orderly immigration. With the status quo, they're winning elections by scaring middle America of the "hordes" of migrants surging in.

I don't actually know how Democrats fix our real electoral problems, but "give the voting rubes what they want" despite the law isn't the way IMHO. OTOH you seem rather OK with the Trump admin's flagrant illegality.

Much of the controversy centered on a section of the bill that would have provided emergency authority to the administration to “summarily remove” people who cross into the U.S. illegally between ports of entry, even if they are seeking asylum. While Trump argues that presidents already have that authority, the fact is that when he tried to exercise that kind of authority, the courts blocked him.

 
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