8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

BFG10K · Jul 13, 2021

8GB

Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

It's the player's fault.
It's the reviewer's fault.
It's the developer's fault.
It's AMD's fault.
It's the game's fault.
It's the driver's fault.
It's a system configuration issue.
Wrong settings were tested.
Wrong area was tested.
Wrong games were tested.
4K is irrelevant.
Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
It's an anomaly.
It's a console port.
It's a conspiracy against NV.
8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

Rigg · Tuesday at 4:35 PM

I was really hoping HUB and/or GN would do a review from Computex leading up to this mess. I had zero expectations it would actually happen, but this was a nice surprise. Hat's off to HUB for making this happen. It was a travesty to not have a launch day review from any of the trustworthy outlets. This isn't ideal obviously, but it's much better than nothing.

Achilles heel and fake MSRP aside, this actually seems like it could have been a pretty good card. It's too bad the 💩 bag Nvidia execs would rather use mob tactics on reviewers to get them to spread propaganda, rather than figure out a way to produce the cards cost effectively while still having adequate VRAM.

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 4:47 PM

The 1% lows on the 5060 Ti 16GB are messed up. Driver issue probably.

Thunder 57 · Tuesday at 4:49 PM

igor_kavinski said:
The 1% lows on the 5060 Ti 16GB are messed up. Driver issue probably.

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But Nvidia has perfect drivers! It's AMD that has 💩 drivers! That's what I've been spoon fed for years!

Thunder 57 · Tuesday at 4:56 PM

igor_kavinski said:
Sisters are fun!

Without context that can be seen as very weird and filthy.

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 5:16 PM

Thunder 57 said:
Without context that can be seen as very weird and filthy.

Yes, without context, it depends on the mind of the reader

DAPUNISHER · Tuesday at 5:25 PM

PC Gamer must be reading the forum? I am impressed with the pertinent gameplay clips and extent of testing. to you PC Gamer! I had warm feels for the mag back in the 90s. I think it was because they had the game demo CDs.

Thunder 57 · Tuesday at 5:31 PM

DAPUNISHER said:
PC Gamer must be reading the forum? I am impressed with the pertinent gameplay clips and extent of testing. to you PC Gamer! I had warm feels for the mag back in the 90s. I think it was because they had the game demo CDs.

It was a nice read but was it me or was the page refreshing like every 30 seconds? Kind of annoying.

DAPUNISHER · Tuesday at 5:33 PM

Thunder 57 said:
It was a nice read but was it me or was the page refreshing like every 30 seconds? Kind of annoying.

It's fine on Chrome with Ublock.

Thunder 57 · Tuesday at 5:35 PM

DAPUNISHER said:
It's fine on Chrome with Ublock.

That's exactly what I'm using. Odd.

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 5:39 PM

Thunder 57 said:
That's exactly what I'm using. Odd.

Happened to me on Firefox.

Rigg · Tuesday at 5:47 PM

igor_kavinski said:
Happened to me on Firefox.

Me too. Well, Librewolf anyway.

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 5:59 PM

I think it will keep updating with Live Updates coz it's a review in progress.

marees · Wednesday at 2:46 AM

Did AMD just compare the "$350" 16gb 9060xt vs the "$380" 8gb 5060 ti, in vram limited scenarios 🤔 — would be very funny if true

AMD's Radeon RX 9060 XT beats Nvidia's RTX 5060 Ti for a lot less cash

AMD's 16GB Radeon RX 9060 XT costs $80 less than Nvidia's RTX 5060 Ti, but beats it in 1440p performance. Too bad about the 8GB version though.

www.pcworld.com

adroc_thurston · Wednesday at 2:47 AM

marees said:
Did AMD just compare the "$350" 16gb 9060xt vs the "$380" 8gb 5060 ti, in vram limited scenarios 🤔 — would be very funny if true

Remember that VRAM limitations hurt in real gameplay, not canned benchmark runs (for the most part).

Jaskalas · Wednesday at 3:17 AM

DAPUNISHER said:
He obviously was limited in time and testing, so we will get the horror story of 8GB with PCIe 3....

*whistles innocently in 10600k
My pro tip is to just try and avoid these titles altogether. Which is becoming a lot of them these days.
Oh Doom Eternal, how you tried to warn us.

Still, I do not regret the 3060ti over the 3060. They had enough of a performance gap, it could not be ignored.

igor_kavinski · Wednesday at 3:54 AM

Jaskalas said:
Still, I do not regret the 3060ti over the 3060. They had enough of a performance gap, it could not be ignored.

Yeah but you should seriously look into ditching it ASAP. The extra performance becomes irrelevant when the GPU is unable to get access to the textures fast enough. At that point, it probably slows down to the level of a 3050 or even worse. Not an issue if you don't care about texture quality coz you can always turn it down and make the most of what you have.

DAPUNISHER · Wednesday at 10:03 AM

igor_kavinski said:
Yeah but you should seriously look into ditching it ASAP. The extra performance becomes irrelevant when the GPU is unable to get access to the textures fast enough. At that point, it probably slows down to the level of a 3050 or even worse. Not an issue if you don't care about texture quality coz you can always turn it down and make the most of what you have.

Sold listings on Ebay are averaging $250-$300 depending on model, so now is a good time to sell. It has held a good bit of it's MSRP for going on 5 years old. Presuming it was bought near launch and not at the crazy human malware outbreak prices. It is insane what so many will pay for an old 8GB card. I think there was a listing sold for $299 with today's date.

Mopetar · Thursday at 12:30 PM

If the rumors about AMD limiting supply of 8 GB 9060 XT (they should have just called it the 9060, but I digress) are true, perhaps they're actually being clever here.

Sample both cards to reviewers and let them point out the massive flaws and shortcomings of an 8 GB card. The few you did release into the market get scooped up eventually anyway, but now you've got consumers paying an extra $50 for what cost you $20 at most and clamoring for that product.

Being able to beat a the 8 GB 5060 Ti in a few games as well is just a cherry on top. NVidia could have done the same and just leaned into it to create a natural way to upsell customers and get them to thank you for it, but they tried to hide the football and look worse for having done so.

Did AMD marketing not completely crap the bed for a change?

jpiniero · Thursday at 12:39 PM

Mopetar said:
If the rumors about AMD limiting supply of 8 GB 9060 XT (they should have just called it the 9060, but I digress) are true, perhaps they're actually being clever here.

I'm assuming it's because AMD found that it does much worse in low VRAM situations. So the premium justification for 16 GB is way more than the cost difference.

The 9060 you would think would be the cut down model (and 8 GB). But yields are so good at TSMC, the amount of busted full chips can't be that high. They could unload those to OEMs perhaps but can wait to build up a supply.

Mopetar · Thursday at 1:31 PM

I'm definitely looking forward to the reviews digging into differences between the 8 and 16 GB models. At MSRP the extra $50 is a no-brainer and at actual inflated prices a $50 gap is less relative price difference.

It does have an x16 PCI connection though so it theoretically should be a bit better off when it runs out of VRAM because it can transfer from main memory a bit faster and that becomes even more valuable for any older system using PCIe 4.0 or 3.0.

It does seem as though the general market is slowly waking up to the fact that 8 GB is not a good decision for anyone wanting to run modern titles outside of the esport category. When GTA VI eventually launches I think it will put 8 GB down for good. That's a game that's going to need more than 8 GB and suffer for not having it.

jpiniero · Thursday at 1:46 PM

Mopetar said:
I'm definitely looking forward to the reviews digging into differences between the 8 and 16 GB models. At MSRP the extra $50 is a no-brainer and at actual inflated prices a $50 gap is less relative price difference.

If they really did stop production of the 8 GB, then the model obviously will only last so long.

Mopetar · Thursday at 2:11 PM

jpiniero said:
If they really did stop production of the 8 GB, then the model obviously will only last so long.

Which is why AMD wants reviewers to crucify it in public. They get to look good for making a 16 GB version and consumers get to feel good for not buying the dirty peasant 8 GB card. If it also coincidentally makes consumers not want to buy a 5060 because it also only has 8 GB or imparts the stink of peasant upon anyone who dares purchase such a cursed relic, all the better for AMD.

The real test will be whether or not anyone releases an 8 GB card next generation. I think that by then 3 GB modules will be widely available and 12 GB will be the bottom, but one never knows. There will probably be some cutdown chips with 9 GB (or god forbid 6 GB) but there are people who just want low profile and lower cards for a media PC.

jpiniero · Thursday at 2:36 PM

Mopetar said:
There will probably be some cutdown chips with 9 GB (or god forbid 6 GB) but there are people who just want low profile and lower cards for a media PC.

I expect the Rubin 7 die to be 96-bit, so yeah 9 GB and maybe 64-bit 6 GB (if it's fabbed at Samsung).

If there is a 5060 Super, I would think that will be 8 GB and 5060 Ti Super 12 only.

marees · Friday at 5:05 AM

AMD when releasing the Navi 22 12gb

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/gaming/vram.html

AMD when releasing Navi 44 8gb

https://twitter.com/x/status/1925651286998794443

DAPUNISHER · Friday at 6:17 AM

8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

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