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sactoking

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Sep 24, 2007
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So tips from customers go back down to 15% to make up for it. Is that doing trickle down right?
That's my plan. My senator got this done because of our big reliance on tipped workers in the service economy. But there's no legit reason why tips should be economically favored over wages, indeed they should be disfavored. I plan on decreasing my tipping commensurate and internalizing the benefits. Sucks that tipped workers will have to contend with lower earnings AND tariffs but when you've got idiots enacting idiotic policy...
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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A lot of people really haven't seen the true impact of what he has done.

And millions of others are purposely ignoring it all exactly like they've been ignoring the fact that their celebrated leader is, among a host of other damning personality disorders a convicted felon, an adjudicated sex abuser, tax cheat and possessor of absconded top secret gov't files that he refused to return to the gov't. There is no limit to what they will allow Trump to get away with yet will scream bloody murder and fall over themselves to be the first to take credit for exposing a Democrat that got a parking ticket or had a blink that got turned into a wink by some nameless paparazzi.
 
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nickqt

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Jan 15, 2015
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That's my plan. My senator got this done because of our big reliance on tipped workers in the service economy. But there's no legit reason why tips should be economically favored over wages, indeed they should be disfavored. I plan on decreasing my tipping commensurate and internalizing the benefits. Sucks that tipped workers will have to contend with lower earnings AND tariffs but when you've got idiots enacting idiotic policy...
Increase the minimum wage, thereby driving up all incomes? No.

Decrease the taxes on tips, at most saving a few people a small percentage of income taxes? Yes. Not to mention, a lot of people who make their living from their tips aren't claiming all of the tips already, let's be real here.

So, no increase in actual income for a majority of workers, and maybe a small tax savings for those who claim all their tips and it would actually make a difference.

Wow. Amazing. Great. Changes almost nothing.
 
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QueBert

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Jan 6, 2002
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A lot of people really haven't seen the true impact of what he has done.

And they might never get it, a MAGA could lose their house in 2027 due to Trump fucking up the economy, and they'll somehow figure out a way to blame Biden. Well, I should say Obama because, according to MAGAs even tho Biden was president, Obama was controlling him. So in 2028 it'll still be the fault of a guy who hadn't been president in 12 years.
 

you2

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Apr 2, 2002
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Of course we all know Don Jr is a moron; he is so stupid he confuses a ph.d with a medical degree:

Of course this isn't the dumbest thing he has done - sometime i'm amazed that he remembers to wake up in the morning. Talking about complete idiots.

Btw folks say he is smarter than his dad.
 
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cytg111

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Mar 17, 2008
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brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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The zinger

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Reminds me of the "experiment" in Kansas where they made business owners exempt from state income tax. it was all supposed to trickle down and drive an explosion in investment in new businesses. All that happened was a bunch of people created "new businesses" that only employed themselves and the state budget was wrecked.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Dec 15, 2015
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Increase the minimum wage, thereby driving up all incomes? No.

Decrease the taxes on tips, at most saving a few people a small percentage of income taxes? Yes. Not to mention, a lot of people who make their living from their tips aren't claiming all of the tips already, let's be real here.

So, no increase in actual income for a majority of workers, and maybe a small tax savings for those who claim all their tips and it would actually make a difference.

Wow. Amazing. Great. Changes almost nothing.
I mean, how many service workers actually claim all their tips anyhow? I feel like it's likely to save them taxes on a percentage of their tips anyhow...
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Why?

Someone you know will probably benefit from it
Income is income, and taxes are how society pays for stuff.

If you want to help lower income workers, there are better ways instead of doing a stupid policy that only helps a portion of them, and opens a big loophole for people to abuse.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Jun 18, 2001
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Increase the minimum wage, thereby driving up all incomes? No.

Decrease the taxes on tips, at most saving a few people a small percentage of income taxes? Yes. Not to mention, a lot of people who make their living from their tips aren't claiming all of the tips already, let's be real here.

So, no increase in actual income for a majority of workers, and maybe a small tax savings for those who claim all their tips and it would actually make a difference.

Wow. Amazing. Great. Changes almost nothing.
What? No tax on tips does not save a few people a small percentage of income tax. 45 states have tip credit laws, meaning that employers do not have to pay them the full minum wage. If these states follow the federal minimum wage they only have to pay servers $2.13 an hour. Servers, on average make 75% to 90% of their income thru tips, except in high minimum wage states and/or non tip credit states, where it's closer to 50% to 75% of their income. as for server not claiming all of their tips, this is not really true anymore, unless it's a cash only business. 85%+ of all tips are paid thru credit/debit, which are tracked by the US goverment. That means less than 15% of tips are not trackable as they are cash only, so not reporting all of your tips really isn't happening, as those cash tips they earn are usually tipped out to supporting staff, as well as not reported tips hurts you when applying for credit, buying a house, unemployement benefits, etc. . So no, this is not going to save a few people small percentage of income tax, it's going to save a lot of people from having to pay federal income tax at all, as well as save those in high minimum wage states/non tip credit states a substantial chunk of their tax bill, but in the end will end up costing them a lot more.

This is also going to harm every employee in the retail industry, and possibly creep over to other non retail industries, and drive incomes down, as it will give employers an excuse to switch over to a tip based salary system (most likely forced tipping) to reduce their out of pocket labor expenses, increasing their profits, and switching the majority of that burden onto the customers to subsidize working class people's incomes via tips. More so than it is already happening. Which will do nothing for wage earners but drive incomes down, while companies profit. The no taxes on tips, and really the no taxes on over time will end up only benefitting the employers in the long run as they will make adjustments where your take home is the same if not less than before such "no tax" law was implimented. It will cause a snow ball effect that will guarantee to bankrupt this country, or cause our tax burden to shift to a different model, that will benefit the rich even more than it does today.
 
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IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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It’s pay to play at the Department of Interior!

Burgum has rolled out an alternative permitting process for projects addressing our “energy emergency”. Under the new program, environmental impact statements will be completed in 28 days or less. Which projects qualify (not you solar or wind) is not based on any objective criteria but on the whim of a Trump appointee. The transparency of the corruption is a feature.

 
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