Question New build always restarting instead of shutting down. NOT a Windows problem. I call upon the AT hive mind!

AnitaPeterson

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Hi folks,
I came across this problem with a new build, and it's got me stumped. So I'm turning to your collective wisdom.

The machine was built from ground up, with specific parts, as it's supposed to be a close duplicate/replacement of an existing one.
So the architecture is 5900XT, Asrock X570 Phantom Gaming 4, Super Flower III 750W Gold PSU, MSI RTX 2070 Super, Teamgroup 64GB DDR4, Thermalright Phantom Spirit. Operating system is Windows 10, not 11.

Everything works perfectly, I ran it through several torture tests (Cinebench, Furmark etc). Gaming looks gorgeous in 1080p. Video upscaling with Topaz ran fast and quiet.

Except for ONE. DAMN THING.

The computer won't shut down.
Every shutdown command, whether initiated from Windows or by physically pressing the power button for half a second, will shut down the computer, after which it will boot again.

Not a big deal IRL, especially since it's supposed to be running 24/7 when in service, but nevertheless unnerving.

Right now, I'm just powering down the PSU when I judge it's done turning off.
I can also press and hold the power button until the machine shuts down. If I do that, it will stay off. But the timing needs to be just right for every device to be sent the shutdown command and obey it BEFORE they completely lose power.

For the past three days, I've been trying to figure it out. Unfortunately, no amount of internet searching and trials was able to identify a working solution. I used several search engines, formulated various queries... nothing works in my case.

I tried the following:

1) Checked every Windows setting suggested by internet searches. No fast boot-up, no LAN wake-up, no restart after power loss, no weird Intel Management programs.
2) Booting and then shutting down from a portable operating system via USB (at least this proves it's not a Windows installation problem!)
3) Resetting BIOS.
4) Booting with just a minimum of devices (one stick of RAM, CPU, GPU and the onboard NVME SSDs), and no LAN, WiFi, or BT.
5) Booting and then shutting down in safe mode.
6) Tried a completely different on/off switch (just in case the power button was faulty)
7) Changing PSU.
8) Changing GPU.
9) Changing memory sticks.
10) Changing CPU.
11) Using alternate CPU cooler pins on the motherboard (yes, it's a solution for others, there's a whole Reddit thread about it)


No matter what I do, the damn thing won't shut down. It goes through the shutdown procedures, and the power goes out, but half a second later it starts again.


At this point I'm thinking it's a quirk of the motherboard. Like I said, everything else appears to be working perfectly, so what else is left?
And if it's a motherboard error, can I ignore it, or is indicative of potentially bigger problems down the line?

If you have any ideas, please le me know.
 
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DAPUNISHER

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If on the latest bios try flashing to a slightly older version. Otherwise update. If this was done and no joy then bummer.

When you tried barebones, was it still in the case? If so, I would at minimum unplug all of the case connections to the board, including USB and audio, and short with a screwdriver to turn it on. My personal methodology/best practices is to pull it and test outside the case. I would even disconnect the keyboard and LAN cable before clicking on shutdown. Experienced some weird 💩 over the years. Among them, I had a ASRock B450 Steel Legend that while it was fine for me, as soon as the new owner got it, it started experiencing cold boot issues. I made things right by them of course, but hell if I know why it suddenly flaked out.
 
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AnitaPeterson

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If on the latest bios try flashing to a slightly older version. Otherwise update. If this was done and no joy then bummer.

When you tried barebones, was it still in the case? If so, I would at minimum unplug all of the case connections to the board, including USB and audio, and short with a screwdriver to turn it on. My personal methodology/best practices is to pull it and test outside the case. I would even disconnect the keyboard and LAN cable before clicking on shutdown. Experienced some weird 💩 over the years. Among them, I had a ASRock B450 Steel Legend that while it was fine for me, as soon as the new owner got it, it started experiencing cold boot issues. I made things right by them of course, but hell if I know why it suddenly flaked out.
I was thinking about downgrading the BIOS, as well... the problem is that the CPU is the absolute newest in the AM4 lineup, and I am not sure previous BIOS versions would recognize it

Yes, I forgot to add that I tried disconnecting and changing the power button, too... Will edit the first post accordingly.

No LAN connection coming into the machine. No WiFi or BT, either. Not even the audio cable connected to the MB header.
 
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5.63 will have support for the CPU, the others are too old. Hell, just reflashing 5.65 might do the trick.
 
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Not sure if this will help but it's worth a shot. I remembered Jay doing a video about this very thing. Lots of people in the comments with similar problems so maybe something in here can help.

 

AnitaPeterson

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Thank you for the Youtube link. My computer exhibits the exact same behaviour seen there, except that 1) I have no LAN, 2) the Wake on LAN/WiFi functions have been disabled in both Windows and BIOS, and 3) the behavior is present even if the computer boots from a different operating system altogether. Sadly, none of the comments below helped, although I was amused to see a few people saying they resigned themselves to either never shut down the computer or just use the PSU button.

Are there any dangers in reflashing a motherboard with the same or previous BIOS version?
 
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Are there any dangers in reflashing a motherboard with the same or previous BIOS version?
With the CPU you are using, no. Unless you try to flash a bios older than the CPU support, then it can be problematic. I would confirm with ASRock that 5.63 supports the 5900XT. The CPU release date was 7/31/24 and 5.63 is 8/26/24 so it should, but I recommend you verify that.
 
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AnitaPeterson

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No Deep Sleep. That was the Reddit thread I mentioned... the difference made by the use of another fan header is mind-boggling!

Thank you all for the input so far.
I'll try a few more things and report back.
 
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AnitaPeterson

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Alright... so here I am, with more details.

I took the motherboard out of the case, put it on a cork board, and tried running it with a minimum of devices, to see if this makes a difference.
It still restarts instead of powering off.

I reflashed the BIOS - with the same version, though, since I was afraid an older file might not recognize my CPU.
The restart is still happening.

All signs would seem to indicate the motherboard is the culprit...
But at this point, I've decided to bite the bullet. I'll put the computer into service, and see how it behaves over time.
Crazy!
 
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I reflashed the BIOS - with the same version, though, since I was afraid an older file might not recognize my CPU.
The restart is still happening.
I'm a bit late to the party here, but the CPU support page says 5.61 is the validated BIOS for 5900XT. That should give you 3 different compatible BIOS versions.
 

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Switch off auto restart on system failure (in system properties). I switch it off on all the builds I do because it's a moronic setting that helps cover up when a BSOD has occurred.
 
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AnitaPeterson

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Holy ****! It solved itself. Can't believe this.

I just took the computer to a different room, turned it on, looked for Windows updates, left it on for a while, then pressed the power button.
The shutdown was complete, no restart afterwards.

I have no explanation.
 

AnitaPeterson

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Uh-uh... not going to. It would be too cumbersome to extract it again from the equipment rack.
After doing all that previous troubleshooting with it, I'm just glad it works. I'm going to chalk it up to "unexplained electrical phenomena" and move on.

Otherwise, I fear a slow descent into madness...
 

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Uh-uh... not going to. It would be too cumbersome to extract it again from the equipment rack.
After doing all that previous troubleshooting with it, I'm just glad it works. I'm going to chalk it up to "unexplained electrical phenomena" and move on.

Otherwise, I fear a slow descent into madness...
If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Probably a good idea!
 

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Holy ****! It solved itself. Can't believe this.

I just took the computer to a different room, turned it on, looked for Windows updates, left it on for a while, then pressed the power button.
The shutdown was complete, no restart afterwards.


I have no explanation.
With how buggy windows can be about update and restart or shutdown, perhaps it was at fault? If it stops shutting down again, run disk cleanup and make certain the boxes for windows updates and delivery optimization are checked, and run it. That kind of problem should be a one off if it's what was causing it though.
 
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mikeymikec

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Uh-uh... not going to. It would be too cumbersome to extract it again from the equipment rack.
After doing all that previous troubleshooting with it, I'm just glad it works. I'm going to chalk it up to "unexplained electrical phenomena" and move on.

Otherwise, I fear a slow descent into madness...

Sometimes you have to embrace the madness when computer fixing.

With how buggy windows can be about update and restart or shutdown, perhaps it was at fault? If it stops shutting down again, run disk cleanup and make certain the boxes for windows updates and delivery optimization are checked, and run it. That kind of problem should be a one off if it's what was causing it though.

Related note - I disable Windows 'fast startup' (Control Panel > Power options > 'choose what the power buttons do') almost without exception. The exception being computers with drivers that were only tested with fast startup and bork in weird and wonderful ways without it. IMO fast startup is a feature for people who want more chaos in their lives.
 
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