Why do people on the right fail to understand the Constitution?

nakedfrog

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I mean these people pretend to believe in the Bible, a book allegedly written infallibly by the literal creator of the universe, and you see how much respect they have for what it says. What chance does the mere Constitution have?
 

BonzaiDuck

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You can call them "defective brains". They may not be "defective", but they aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

There is a combination of ignorance, stupidity and brainwash-preparation that creates this type of thinker.

If they've chosen a religion that has no taint at all of Jesuitical values, they are constantly drilled on the Bible being the only important source of Truth. There may be conflicting interpretations of the Bible, but in this or that community of these one-book cultists their interpretation or that of their religious teacher -- an Elmer Gantry of sorts -- becomes the established way of reading the only book on their shelf. But religion is only one possible breeding ground.

If they accept an extreme Right-wing Ideology, often promoted by the religious groups as well, they have elevated Belief and a Belief system to supreme validity in their social world. They are not "scientific"; they don't believe in scientific method, and scientific method is just common sense. It enables people to discard beliefs and adopt new ones as more facts and factual inferences become available. But this sort of thinking becomes difficult for them.

In adopting this way of thinking, they can't venture from the cocoon of their thinking into a world of uncertainty. They simply refuse to deal with uncertainty in a routine context, because it complicates the simplicity of following a Dogma.

So they can't accept the simple common sense that nobody has a monopoly on the Truth -- for instance -- that Marx's Kapital contains Truthful observations about "class struggle". So they simply refuse to see the existence of class struggle, and all of Kapital is false. In fact, they may of discarded Kapital without reading it, by dismissing the Great Historical Disaster of the Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels. If one work of literature is a disastrous threat and contradiction to Liberal values and free thought, they have to dismiss all the works by Marx.

Therefore, all thinking in the stew-pot of the Democratic Party -- with many people holding to various differing views -- is False and unacceptable.

Therefore, there can be no Reverence for a system that allows all sides to share in the dialogue, with a process that makes it possible to pursue "a little of this and a little of that". And politics becomes a zero-sum game. The Righties think that it's a Zero Sum game, even if voting margins are often narrow, so they pursue a One Winner Takes All approach to winning.

But the Constitution is written to allow competition among conflicting ideas. Yet we have a Vice President who simply declares that Justice Roberts is Wrong, because he and his Fuhrer are Right, and nobody else can be Right.

Does that begin to establish a foundation for answering this question?
 
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Moonbeam

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The simple answer in my opinion is that conservatives are conservative and the Constitution is a product of profoundly deep liberal thinking. Conservatives don't do deep and they don't do liberal. They do victim mentality and rationalizing immature egos.

But belittling them for this is pointless. They suffer victim mentality because they were victimized as children and had to learn to blame others for the pain they could not express or get even for with the people who victimized them. That's where the real brainwashing happened. Now its just vampires using their hurt to fatten their wallet that sell them the hatred of others they will pay to feel.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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The simple answer in my opinion is that conservatives are conservative and the Constitution is a product of profoundly deep liberal thinking. Conservatives don't do deep and they don't do liberal. They do victim mentality and rationalizing immature egos.

But belittling them for this is pointless. They suffer victim mentality because they were victimized as children and had to learn to blame others for the pain they could not express or get even for with the people who victimized them. That's where the real brainwashing happened. Now its just vampires using their hurt to fatten their wallet that sell them the hatred of others they will pay to feel.
See -- our opinions on this diverge at choosing those accountable for all this distress. Is it their parents? or is it their sick, selfish ideology of greed and ignorance giving no consideration if half the electorate lose an election and have their own demands or needs -- with no compromise for the opposition. You win, I lose, 50% of the country shouldn't have a voice, and don't exist if we win -- this the consequence of having a meanspirited evil heart and a void of common sense in creating Progress for the greatest number of citizens.

What we want from the Constitution and all branches of government is Justice for Trump and his crimes. We want accountability, when accountability and punishment is our only comfort at this point. For starters, 34 convictions by Judge Merchan's court with no material consequence to conviction just falls far short, when there were 94 felony charges, levied by a myriad of prosecuting attorneys in about six different, independent jurisdictions at the local (SDNY and Atlanta), state (NY and GA), and federal (DC and FL) levels. Does anyone know how much in the compensation judgment under NY AG Letitia James has been recouped from Trump?

How much has E. Jean Carroll obtained in her civil judgment?
 
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Moonbeam

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See -- our opinions on this diverge at choosing those accountable for all this distress. Is it their parents? or is it their sick, selfish ideology of greed and ignorance giving no consideration if half the electorate lose an election and have their own demands or needs -- with no compromise for the opposition. You win, I lose, 50% of the country shouldn't have a voice, and don't exist if we win -- this the consequence of having a meanspirited evil heart and a void of common sense in creating Progress for the greatest number of citizens.

What we want from the Constitution and all branches of government is Justice for Trump and his crimes. We want accountability, when accountability and punishment is our only comfort at this point. For starters, 34 convictions by Judge Merchan's court with no material consequence to conviction just falls far short, when there were 94 felony charges, levied by a myriad of prosecuting attorneys in about six different, independent jurisdictions at the local (SDNY and Atlanta), state (NY and GA), and federal (DC and FL) levels. Does anyone know how much in the compensation judgment under NY AG Letitia James has been recouped from Trump?

How much has E. Jean Carroll obtained in her civil judgment?
It isn’t that I don’t understand and feel what you express here. It is that you blame dangerously sick people for being evil. Feelings of injustice produce rage and a desire to punish evil people. That is a natural feeling for those who feel the outrage of being wronged. They want the scale of justice to balance out. They want redress for the pain of being wronged.

So what you are doing, in my opinion, that is different than me, is blaming the perpetrators of injustice which I wish I also could do, but cannot because I believe also it is unjust to blame people for what you call evil when evil itself does not exist. There are facts on the ground, the manner of soup in which we are raised, myriads of experiences and events that go into the cement of personality that comes out of this. In a cannibalistic society people eat other people. A violent society will produce far more violent people say that a society 200 years ago in Tibet.

What you call evil, in my opinion has causes and roots, the primary one being those factors in a culture that produce suppressed unconscious self hate and the primary cause of that in my opinion is being verbally assaulted with put downs.

It’s not like I support the idea that sick people be given some sort of free pass. When people act out they should be stopped. But that is not sufficient. To want only that is to want only revenge and that is what evil is, the desire to punish others rather than seeing the cause.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. To me the desire to punish can only happen if you have been taught to hate evil by exposure to being punished and called evil yourself. In this way we become hypocrites. We all feel we are victims of unjust blame, being forced to accept unjust blame with no justice anywhere form those who we depended on for love and nurture.

You are blaming Stockholm Syndrome victims for becoming those who will victimize others having capitulated to all hope of rescue except by submission in order to survive.

Why do we say that there but for the grace of God go I? Isn’t it because deep down we know this.

Everybody wants to engage in the rationalization that evil people should be punished. That is a payback for pain we still suffer. Enlightenment is in my opinion a flash in insight that drops the bars of this mental state, this prisoner mentality by the sudden awareness of the self before being caged, the ending of thought by reentering a long forgotten and repressed experience of the simple timeless joy of being. To be present in the now is to unite with the wellsprings of love which is all there is.

“Pity the poor immigrant who wishes he would’ve stayed home”. And had no choice.
 
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Because laws and rules get in the way of them winning or enacting policies they agree with in the moment, but their beliefs are ever wavering in the wind.
 
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outriding

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You can call them "defective brains". They may not be "defective", but they aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

There is a combination of ignorance, stupidity and brainwash-preparation that creates this type of thinker.

If they've chosen a religion that has no taint at all of Jesuitical values, they are constantly drilled on the Bible being the only important source of Truth. There may be conflicting interpretations of the Bible, but in this or that community of these one-book cultists their interpretation or that of their religious teacher -- an Elmer Gantry of sorts -- becomes the established way of reading the only book on their shelf. But religion is only one possible breeding ground.

If they accept an extreme Right-wing Ideology, often promoted by the religious groups as well, they have elevated Belief and a Belief system to supreme validity in their social world. They are not "scientific"; they don't believe in scientific method, and scientific method is just common sense. It enables people to discard beliefs and adopt new ones as more facts and factual inferences become available. But this sort of thinking becomes difficult for them.

In adopting this way of thinking, they can't venture from the cocoon of their thinking into a world of uncertainty. They simply refuse to deal with uncertainty in a routine context, because it complicates the simplicity of following a Dogma.

So they can't accept the simple common sense that nobody has a monopoly on the Truth -- for instance -- that Marx's Kapital contains Truthful observations about "class struggle". So they simply refuse to see the existence of class struggle, and all of Kapital is false. In fact, they may of discarded Kapital without reading it, by dismissing the Great Historical Disaster of the Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels. If one work of literature is a disastrous threat and contradiction to Liberal values and free thought, they have to dismiss all the works by Marx.

Therefore, all thinking in the stew-pot of the Democratic Party -- with many people holding to various differing views -- is False and unacceptable.

Therefore, there can be no Reverence for a system that allows all sides to share in the dialogue, with a process that makes it possible to pursue "a little of this and a little of that". And politics becomes a zero-sum game. The Righties think that it's a Zero Sum game, even if voting margins are often narrow, so they pursue a One Winner Takes All approach to winning.

But the Constitution is written to allow competition among conflicting ideas. Yet we have a Vice President who simply declares that Justice Roberts is Wrong, because he and his Fuhrer are Right, and nobody else can be Right.

Does that begin to establish a foundation for answering this question?

I disagree. Their brains are defective

I have seen enough of Jordan keeper/ the good liars when people are presented with facts that contradict what they believe they just shut down. If they were functioning properly they would process the new information and make a decision based on it

Processing new information is the basic tenant of learning they don’t possess that ability
 
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feralkid

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I disagree. Their brains are defective

I have seen enough of Jordan keeper/ the good liars when people are presented with facts that contradict what they believe they just shut down. If they were functioning properly they would process the new information and make a decision based on it

Processing new information is the basic tenant of learning they don’t possess that ability
Tenet.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I disagree. Their brains are defective

I have seen enough of Jordan keeper/ the good liars when people are presented with facts that contradict what they believe they just shut down. If they were functioning properly they would process the new information and make a decision based on it

Processing new information is the basic tenant of learning they don’t possess that ability
Perhaps you've won me over to that thought, but also perhaps we can be more specific to call them Morally Defective, Morally Blind or Logically Confused. If they are "American", they are a severe drag on the American Spirit. They're about as American as post-Confederate throwbacks and Klan.

Of my own clarity, I am sure of it since 2015, having seen Trump as an aberrant curiosity during The Great Birther Frenzy of 2011, when I could never have imagined him in a successful presidential bid. How was the myopia possible? I had higher expectations for the True Believers of the American public, so they really let me down.

My departed Moms (RIP 2023) may not have practiced sophisticated Logic, yet her heart was in the right place, and her disgust for Trump no less profound. Just short of her last years, Moms was notable for learning new things. It just got to the point around 2018 when she misidentified the latest President as Obama. Medicare contractors were testing her cognitive decline. I only needed to restore the TV broadcast to straighten her out. Eventually, she was happier watching 1950s "Gunsmoke" re-runs. There's some Moral Clarity for you! I may have equally preferred the Western series, but I'm an intellectual masochist, I think. A news addict.
 
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Jaskalas

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I disagree. Their brains are defective

I have seen enough of Jordan keeper/ the good liars when people are presented with facts that contradict what they believe they just shut down. If they were functioning properly they would process the new information and make a decision based on it

Processing new information is the basic tenant of learning they don’t possess that ability
Education is a mindset that people, first, must be receptive towards. It is NOT some innate human quality that is always present.
Closed minds are only going to care if you are Good Guy or Bad Guy. Red Shirt or Blue Shirt.

Fascism is probably defined by its gestapo of closed minds. Who seize power and exist to crush dissent. To crush education. They want slaves, not people.
As this is standard, repeatable, human behavior. I would say that, though they fit the definition of evil, their brains are not defective. Ape just gonna ape.
The flawed premise in calling them defective, is that you overestimate humanity and expect better.
 
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Lanyap

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I heard a new name/description for MAGAs the other day - Kookbabblers. Feel free to use it.
 

cytg111

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How to train your human 101

First you squeeze
Then you tell it its the jew that did it
Squeeze again
The black man did it
Squeeze
Brown man
Squeeze
Yellow man
Squeeze
Democrats
Squeeze
....

Its not rocket science and we're all susceptible to it.
 

Muse

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How to train your human 101

First you squeeze
Then you tell it its the jew that did it
Squeeze again
The black man did it
Squeeze
Brown man
Squeeze
Yellow man
Squeeze
Democrats
Squeeze
....

Its not rocket science and we're all susceptible to it.
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Immigrants
Biden
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