8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

BFG10K · Jul 13, 2021

8GB

Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

It's the player's fault.
It's the reviewer's fault.
It's the developer's fault.
It's AMD's fault.
It's the game's fault.
It's the driver's fault.
It's a system configuration issue.
Wrong settings were tested.
Wrong area was tested.
Wrong games were tested.
4K is irrelevant.
Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
It's an anomaly.
It's a console port.
It's a conspiracy against NV.
8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

marees · 2025-05-24T08:24:57-0400

poke01 said:
Consoles (by this I mean the PS5 and Switch 2) also have good growth. The games we got this year are fun. Stay positive folks

Remember you don’t need an Nvidia GPU to have fun 😛

Even xbox finished with strong sales recently

& Hopefully we won't be stuck with TSMC forever. Korean sources whisper that Sony is in talks with Samsung for handheld plans plus future Switch might use Intel

DAPUNISHER · 2025-05-24T08:33:30-0400

Stoked to see some positivity around here. Let's go!

Imma keep being spicy about overpriced 8GB cards until these companies stop doing it though.

jpiniero · 2025-05-24T09:06:17-0400

DAPUNISHER said:
Only a couple of disagreements with that article.

7000 series had significant price drops from MSRPs here in the U.S. There were hot deals on 7900XTX under $750, 7900 XT near $600, 7800 XT near $400.

Yeah. That was the Fire Sales.

jpiniero · 2025-05-24T09:14:52-0400

marees said:
Even xbox finished with strong sales recently

Not really? I think a fair amount of people rushed to buy when the price hike was announced before it took effect.

maddie · 2025-05-24T10:49:23-0400

jpiniero said:
Yeah. That was the Fire Sales.

Do you believe that AMD lost money on those sales?

jpiniero · 2025-05-24T11:06:38-0400

maddie said:
Do you believe that AMD lost money on those sales?

I'd say it's possible the distributors/retailers might have been the ones eating the losses from the Fire Sales.

Either way, AMD's inability to get people to actually buy the new products (until the 9070 XT) surely killed their ambition.

maddie · 2025-05-24T13:57:18-0400

jpiniero said:
I'd say it's possible the distributors/retailers might have been the ones eating the losses from the Fire Sales.

Either way, AMD's inability to get people to actually buy the new products (until the 9070 XT) surely killed their ambition.

This where I have issues with your reasoning and arguments.

At the time of those sales, there was no general oversupply of cards, which leads to this question. Why have a "firesale" at all, if it would entail losses by any party? Cards after all were selling.

The claim that 7xxx series products were not selling, is another conjured claim unsupported by a data point.

Next, the general assumption that margins are thin and any lowering of prices means a loss. You for one, in spite of maintaining that argument for years, have never provided any data to support it.

Then we have the suggestion that MSRPs are outright fraudulent. This seems to me, to be the equivalent of saying that both Nvidia and AMD are lying in setting a MSRP, that they know are unachievable, and this is done for deceptive purposes. I see no other intepretation of your constant referring to "real MSRP" and "false MSRP".

My simple interpretation is that all levels in the supply pipeline has understood consumers will pay more, especially when supply is limited relative to demand, and they might as well increase margins at each step. There is no loss at MSRP, just lower margins, which I might add worked for decades and did not lead to repeated bankruptcies.

Rigg · 2025-05-24T14:00:59-0400

Timorous said:
He mentioned it on Reddit. He said he does not include those games. Replied saying it was useful information so he probably should find a way to incorporate it into the bar charts.

I suggested for games where the games does not respect the chosen settings due to Vram limits the card scores a 0 on that test since it technically failed to perform at the chosen settings.

He's full of 💩. The Daniel Owen video showed Monster Hunter Wilds having texture issues. He has that in his test suite with and without RT.

Ranulf · 2025-05-24T15:28:41-0400

Iceberg compares the 5060 to the 2080ti. 5060 5% faster at 1080p on average of 14 games tested.

marees · 2025-05-24T16:04:15-0400

Ranulf said:
Iceberg compares the 5060 to the 2080ti. 5060 5% faster at 1080p on average of 14 games tested.

So navi 22 but with 8gb (& better RT + DLSS?)

Rigg · 2025-05-24T17:00:56-0400

poke01 said:
AAA games should also not use insane graphics but be smart about game mechanics. Somewhere along the way we lost the focus on that.

OG Minecraft(2011-2015) is the perfect example of PC gaming being at its best and it got me into PC gaming. Nobody needs to have a 4090 to have fun, I hope future developers and publishers recognise this.

With enormous budgets at their disposal, you'd expect modern games to prioritize solid game mechanics, compelling storytelling, and enjoyable gameplay. Unfortunately, many new releases look stunning but fail to deliver on these fronts. They often feel shallow or unengaging, despite their impressive visuals.

It also drives me insane how many graphics settings a lot of these games have that have little or no discernible impact on visuals. I don't want to wade through dozens of settings that don't really seem to do anything but lower performance when turned up.

jpiniero · 2025-05-24T17:09:11-0400

maddie said:
Why have a "firesale" at all, if it would entail losses by any party? Cards after all were selling.

That's the problem. They weren't.

Rigg · 2025-05-24T18:25:53-0400

jpiniero said:
That's the problem. They weren't.

Why partially quote @maddie and completely ignore the next sentence in the post?

maddie said:
The claim that 7xxx series products were not selling, is another conjured claim unsupported by a data point.

Just repeating your claim again without any data to back it up doesn't move the conversation forward. Informed speculation is fine, but shouldn't be stated as fact without evidence.

DAPUNISHER · 2025-05-24T20:14:40-0400

marees said:
So navi 22 but with 8gb (& better RT + DLSS?)

I dig Iceberg's style, I've been subscribed since he was barely over a thousand subs. That said, now that he is gaining a larger audience, he needs to pick it up. Too many canned benchmarks and he is not doing enough IQ analysis either. He ran the canned Monster Hunter Wilds bench but mentioned nothing about textures. I think he is also struggling with the dynamics of companies sampling him and sending him swag and such. For those that didn't catch it, Asus sent him the card.

I debated sharing the video but decided against it as he failed to do enough IMO. His test settings don't always make sense either. What about showing what simply maxing textures on the 11GB card looks like? Or picking sensible RT settings for both cards instead of copying big channels "all or nothing" approach? It strikes me as lazy. Put the god damned work in, what do you have to lose? We don't need yet another McReviewer chasing nothing but clicks and profits. Regardless of how entertaining his style is.

/rant

coercitiv · 2025-05-25T01:56:00-0400

Surprise review thumbnail title: RTX 5060: Not good enough for budget gamers
Author: Digital Foundry

They test PCIe scaling, and add this pain point to the list.

Perhaps settings tweaks can improve those differentials, but how is the user to know that their CPU or MB PCIe support is the problem? Similar to the 8GB limit, you just don't know if any game you buy is going to encounter these issues or not.

marees · 2025-05-25T04:25:51-0400

coercitiv said:
Surprise review thumbnail title: RTX 5060: Not good enough for budget gamers
Author: Digital Foundry

They test PCIe scaling, and add this pain point to the list.

A (short sighted) trap — you buy it now thinking e-sports or tweaked settings or cheap older games but 1 or 2 year down the line left holding the can. A win for Jen Hsuen Huang anyways

Up until now, an RTX 60-class card has meant roughly console level performance - and in terms of compute, the 5060 enjoys a comfortable advantage over modern base consoles. Yet with 8GB of VRAM, you're not quite able to match the texture quality settings of the PS5 in more demanding titles; something like 10 or 12GB is a better match for console capabilities these days.

the 8GB VRAM is simply not enough to guarantee a flawless gaming experience in 2025, let alone three or four years down the road when the next console generation kicks off. Games like Monster Hunter Wilds and Indiana Jones really need 12GB of memory to run as intended, while others work well enough with RT disabled, but struggle when these features are turned on - Marvel's Spider-Man 2 is a good example here. Frame generation can also add to the VRAM burden.

With that in mind, the RTX 5060 feels imbalanced, with a relative surfeit of raw performance and good features held back by the miserly VRAM allocation. Upgrading to a new graphics card ought to mean that you can tackle the latest games, but here there's a sense that you're almost entering a lottery with each new title. You could get a great experience out of the box, or you could have to go through a gauntlet of lowering texture settings and disabling RT features - the ones you might have upgraded to see! - before the game runs as you'd like. The idea of Nvidia bringing RT to the mainstream but not enough memory to run it on key games is very, very short-sighted.

Page 10 | Nvidia GeForce RTX 5060 review: better than console performance - but not enough VRAM

Digital Foundry tests the RTX 5060. On this page: we introduce our test system, benchmarking methodology and initial impressions.

www.eurogamer.net

jpiniero · 2025-05-25T05:29:01-0400

Rigg said:
Just repeating your claim again without any data to back it up doesn't move the conversation forward. Informed speculation is fine, but shouldn't be stated as fact without evidence.

They didn't sell.. .that's why the Fire Sales happened.

maddie · 2025-05-25T06:32:16-0400

jpiniero said:
They didn't sell.. .that's why the Fire Sales happened.

Ever heard of circular reasoning?

Ranulf · 2025-05-25T08:29:23-0400

Niktek with a nice summary.

marees · 2025-05-25T09:19:56-0400

Ranulf said:
Niktek with a nice summary.

The Way YOU Are Meant To Be Played™️

jpiniero · 2025-05-25T10:06:14-0400

maddie said:
Ever heard of circular reasoning?

Well, if you think about it, this thread has basically become a Stealth "Complain about the Prices / No Fire Sale" thread.

nVidia letting the channel get so bone dry that people were forced to buy AMD for awhile seems to have broken the spell.

DAPUNISHER · 2025-05-25T10:56:00-0400

@marees

Iceberg could not get Spiderman 2 to launch on either the 2080ti or 5060. Crazy stuff.

I need to watch or read the DF review. Is it just me, or has the IGN acquisition been a good thing? Seems like DF has been moving more towards a unbiased approach to reviews.

maddie · 2025-05-25T11:05:49-0400

jpiniero said:
Well, if you think about it, this thread has basically become a Stealth "Complain about the Prices / No Fire Sale" thread.

nVidia letting the channel get so bone dry that people were forced to buy AMD for awhile seems to have broken the spell.

I was referring to your reasoning.

Firesales happen because they're not selling.
They're not selling because firesales happen.

It's a faith based opinion. In other words, I believe, thus x y z.

DAPUNISHER · 2025-05-25T11:18:22-0400

LMAO you guys are killing me 😂

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding!
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

The meat AND potatoes for me is there was some hot deal pricing from a couple of AMD partners, not all of them. And somehow that blogger, who seems to have done a good bit of homework on the subject, somehow missed that fact and asserted the 7000 series never saw a price drop over its lifespan.

I personally am enjoying cooking my meat over the coals of the 5060 flames. I'll cook the next piece over the flames of the 9060 XT 8GB.

Frank Azor saying most gamers don't have a use for over 8GB of vram. I guess if they find one, they are 💩out of luck eh Frank?

igor_kavinski · 2025-05-25T11:59:54-0400

DAPUNISHER said:
Frank Azor saying most gamers don't have a use for over 8GB of vram.

In other words, acknowledging that the B580 exists and telling people, hey, you don't really need that. Get our 9060 8GB instead.

You know it's crazy when the ultimate segmentation culprit puts out a product that has features better than the counterparts of their competitors.

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