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Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.
Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:
Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.
  1. It's the player's fault.
  2. It's the reviewer's fault.
  3. It's the developer's fault.
  4. It's AMD's fault.
  5. It's the game's fault.
  6. It's the driver's fault.
  7. It's a system configuration issue.
  8. Wrong settings were tested.
  9. Wrong area was tested.
  10. Wrong games were tested.
  11. 4K is irrelevant.
  12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
  13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
  14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
  15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
  16. It's an anomaly.
  17. It's a console port.
  18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
  19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
  20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
  21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.
According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!
 
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Azor really should know better by now. AwaysMarketingDisaster strikes yet again.
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How hard is it to just reframe and state that they have a 16 GB 9060 that the majority of gamers will want to get, but for the select few who won't need that because they play a limited selection of older titles that won't benefit from additional VRAM that AMD has an 8 GB model that saves them $50.

These PR hacks are just awful at their job. They're trying to convince you that the didn't fart when the 💩is running down their leg before switching gears and insisting that at least it doesn't stink. Did the job requirements list that applicants needed to be both pathological liars and also bad at it?

If any techtubers read this comment and ever get an interview with Azor, bring a small (or maybe a large) jar with a piece of paper taped to it that reads "Lie Jar $.25" on it and just spend the entire interview shaking it aggressively in his face. The money you make on deposits into the jar will make up for any lost revenue of not getting a second interview.
 
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How hard is it to just reframe and state that they have a 16 GB 9060 that the majority of gamers will want to get, but for the select few who won't need that because they play a limited selection of older titles that won't benefit from additional VRAM that AMD has an 8 GB model that saves them $50.

These PR hacks are just awful at their job. They're trying to convince you that the didn't fart when the 💩is running down their leg before switching gears and insisting that at least it doesn't stink. Did the job requirements list that applicants needed to be both pathological liars and also bad at it?

If any techtubers read this comment and ever get an interview with Azor, bring a small (or maybe a large) jar with a piece of paper taped to it that reads "Lie Jar $.25" on it and just spend the entire interview shaking it aggressively in his face. The money you make on deposits into the jar will make up for any lost revenue of not getting a second interview.
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I think Azor tried to have his cake & eat it to

95% of 16gb cards will have a street price of $450 or more

So AMD (& Nvidia) are saying that in 2025 the entry to gaming is $450 or more
 
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If I wanted an entry-level gaming PC I'd probably just buy an APU. I get that for a lot less than $450 and it comes with a CPU to boot. Why spend close to that much money on something that's gimped out of the box due to VRAM?

They could also increase production so that there's enough supply that prices are actually right around MSRP. It's not as though AMD is getting additional money from the higher prices so they have no reason not to make more product to keep prices inline with MSRP.

A $350 16 GB 9060 isn't too outlandish. I liken it to the 8 GB 480 when it launched at $240 back in 2016. Adjusting for inflation that card would be $320 in today's dollars. It's a smaller die though so $300 would be a fairer price for the 16 GB card.
 
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I thank all of you that weighed in, voting for this thread to stay open. TPU shuts down every 8GB discussion. That level of censorship is unseemly. We would have been no better had we locked this up. The only ones that benefit from censorship are the companies producing the overpriced cards.

The latest thread on the subject there was closed shortly after DF's and Terra Ware's videos were posted. Imagine that.

There is an veritable avalanche of data that says 8GB is past its best by date. Everything else is shilling, gaslighting, and astroturfing.
 
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I thank all of you that weighed in, voting for this thread to stay open.
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Well, they keep selling 8gb GPUs and the outcome keeps getting worse for the consumers.
Good to bang this drum while it is still happening. Especially as new releases come out and we are witness to the results.

Heck, even 12GB is starting to see some... less than ideal situations. Would be good to keep on eye on that as time passes.
 
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Well, they keep selling 8gb GPUs and the outcome keeps getting worse for the consumers.
Good to bang this drum while it is still happening. Especially as new releases come out and we are witness to the results.

Heck, even 12GB is starting to see some... less than ideal situations. Would be good to keep on eye on that as time passes.
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Why else do you think the 5070 has been available at MSRP? Everybody knows its days are numbered.
 
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The use case for 8gb GPU is you only play old games and your current GPU just died. So you want a dirty cheap GPU.

Unfortunately there is no new $150-250 card. (and arc cards are worse on older systems and probably old games as well).
 
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Frank Azor saying most gamers don't have a use for over 8GB of vram. I guess if they find one, they are 💩out of luck eh Frank?
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I'll quote him here so we have the full reply:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1925651286998794443

Sounds like reviewers should only test esports titles and make it clear to the audience this is not intended for AAA titles. Reviewers should also deprioritize FSR 4 (upscaling+FG) and ray tracing, since these features are not really useful for 1080p esport gaming. Since the majority of gamers also lack very high refresh rate monitors, reviewers should also limit benchmark to 120 FPS, competitive gamers are only a fraction of the market anyway. I sure hope the 9060 XT 8GB looks good in esports @ 120Hz versus cards like the 3060 or 6600XT!

Here's the 3060 pushing 500+ FPS in Valorant, good luck 9060 XT 8GB, rock'em sock'em!
 
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I would agree that APUs are the future of the sub low end of the market... but a 5060 is still going to be a lot faster. You'd have to turn down the settings of course.
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Yeah that's true, but is the extra $400 worth paying when the card will age like already rotten milk? The GPU already needs to have the settings turned down anyway so what value is it adding.

The $400 not spent on a GPU that will need to be upgraded in a few years can just as easily go to upgrading to a better APU in four years. Or it's better to save up to eventually get a $600 that will last longer at some point in the future.

These 8 GB GPUs are a terrible value proposition. You're better spending less money and getting an APU or more money to get a card that will last 5+ years. These things are the wall mounted talking bass of computer hardware.
 
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The GPU already needs to have the settings turned down anyway so what value is it adding.
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It's a lot faster. That's it really. Plus Green Sticker for OEMs.

So you would have maybe AMD offer a better IGP chiplet for like a $200 premium on top... but there would still be room for these ultra low end GPUs because it'd still be faster plus the Green Sticker for OEMs. But arguably it should be OEM only.
 
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Great, it's faster at running reduced settings than the APU. Is that worth $400?

I wish AMD would find a way to make GPU chiplets work. Imagine a desktop Zen that has an IO die that can connect to three different chiplets and them making a version where two of those are GPU chiplets. If the make the similar to their CPU chiplet size that gets you around 160 mm^2 of GPU albeit likely at lower clock speeds.
 
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I thank all of you that weighed in, voting for this thread to stay open. TPU shuts down every 8GB discussion. That level of censorship is unseemly. We would have been no better had we locked this up. The only ones that benefit from censorship are the companies producing the overpriced cards.

The latest thread on the subject there was closed shortly after DF's and Terra Ware's videos were posted. Imagine that.

There is an veritable avalanche of data that says 8GB is past its best by date. Everything else is shilling, gaslighting, and astroturfing.
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Having seen the "is X amount of VRAM" threads shut down so many time in so many places... It is almost that a few posters act like they are being paid to get those thread shut down. Now if those posters are not being paid... Well why shill for free!?

On the only other forum I regularly post on - OCUK - I have stopped posting on the VRAM threads as within a few posts the same poster will claim 1+1 = 3 or some nonsense, get called out on that multiple times and get the thread locked = mission accomplished.

Also pretty sure most of those thread-lockers tend to be on x90 cards with 24GB+ so rational reason they could defend 8GB/12GB as those cards are holding back their top end cards!
 
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Mopetar said:
Great, it's faster at running reduced settings than the APU. Is that worth $400?

I wish AMD would find a way to make GPU chiplets work. Imagine a desktop Zen that has an IO die that can connect to three different chiplets and them making a version where two of those are GPU chiplets. If the make the similar to their CPU chiplet size that gets you around 160 mm^2 of GPU albeit likely at lower clock speeds.
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I think that is most of us. I've been waiting for a great APU since 2017.
 
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Having seen the "is X amount of VRAM" threads shut down so many time in so many places... It is almost that a few posters act like they are being paid to get those thread shut down. Now if those posters are not being paid... Well why shill for free!?

On the only other forum I regularly post on - OCUK - I have stopped posting on the VRAM threads as within a few posts the same poster will claim 1+1 = 3 or some nonsense, get called out on that multiple times and get the thread locked = mission accomplished.

Also pretty sure most of those thread-lockers tend to be on x90 cards with 24GB+ so rational reason they could defend 8GB/12GB as those cards are holding back their top end cards!
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Because of my experiences here back in the day seeing Nvidia strong arming Anand, I surmise the same thing happens elsewhere to this day. Rollo and the other focus group shill were not only unbanned, but the less controversial one was made a moderator. Locking threads that are unflattering to the brand and allowing trolls/shills to promote and defend the brand is par for the course. I.E. when the narrative gets away from them, and all of their talking points and tactics fail, the thread gets locked to prevent any further information damaging to the brand from being shared. Rinse and repeat.
 
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Having seen the "is X amount of VRAM" threads shut down so many time in so many places... It is almost that a few posters act like they are being paid to get those thread shut down. Now if those posters are not being paid... Well why shill for free!?

On the only other forum I regularly post on - OCUK - I have stopped posting on the VRAM threads as within a few posts the same poster will claim 1+1 = 3 or some nonsense, get called out on that multiple times and get the thread locked = mission accomplished.

Also pretty sure most of those thread-lockers tend to be on x90 cards with 24GB+ so rational reason they could defend 8GB/12GB as those cards are holding back their top end cards!
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OCUK is odd about that at times. I just lurk there and see what your describing every so often that I don't read there much anymore.

Favorite thread from TPU lately though:

"as an AMD fanboy, I gotta say Nvidia's multi frame gen is just lit, even at 1080p"

At least that thread is amusing.
 
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Ranulf said:
Favorite thread from TPU lately though:

"as an AMD fanboy, I gotta say Nvidia's multi frame gen is just lit, even at 1080p"

At least that thread is amusing.
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He is a cool guy; I got my 5600X3D from him. He is genuine in all of his opinions. I appreciate his enthusiasm and open mindedness.
 
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Great, it's faster at running reduced settings than the APU. Is that worth $400?
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If you already bought an 8gb card many moons ago then its fine. You can reduce settings & adjust expectations.

But buying one now in 2025 is a trap. You'll be forced to upgrade in one or two years. That suits the GPU companies but not the gamers
 
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