UnitedHealthcare caught paying off nursing homes to reduce hospital transfers

mikeymikec · May 28, 2025

Revealed: UnitedHealth secretly paid nursing homes to reduce hospital transfers

A Guardian investigation finds insurer quietly paid facilities that helped it gain Medicare enrollees and reduce hospitalizations. Whistleblowers allege harm to residents

www.theguardian.com

Jesus Christ that is fucking evil.

... Side note - has the world always been this fucked up and I'm just noticing it more now? It seems like humanity is pressing all the fucking buttons in recent years though.

brycejones · May 28, 2025

mikeymikec said:
Revealed: UnitedHealth secretly paid nursing homes to reduce hospital transfers

A Guardian investigation finds insurer quietly paid facilities that helped it gain Medicare enrollees and reduce hospitalizations. Whistleblowers allege harm to residents

www.theguardian.com

Jesus Christ that is fucking evil.

... Side note - has the world always been this fucked up and I'm just noticing it more now? It seems like humanity is pressing all the fucking buttons in recent years though.

end stage capitalism demanding never ending quarter over quarter earnings growth

Pens1566 · May 28, 2025

mikeymikec said:
Revealed: UnitedHealth secretly paid nursing homes to reduce hospital transfers

A Guardian investigation finds insurer quietly paid facilities that helped it gain Medicare enrollees and reduce hospitalizations. Whistleblowers allege harm to residents

www.theguardian.com

Jesus Christ that is fucking evil.

... Side note - has the world always been this fucked up and I'm just noticing it more now? It seems like humanity is pressing all the fucking buttons in recent years though.

We're spiraling in a 24-7/social media age where everything is spread out almost instantly.

HomerJS · May 28, 2025

Luigi Mangione not looking so bad now.

mikeymikec · May 28, 2025

HomerJS said:
Luigi Mangione not looking so bad now.

There's two more stories re Luigi and UnitedHealth lately, one being that for a short while after the assassination, UH apparently in a panic allowed more claims through than they normally would do, and secondly their shareholders got super-pissed that this wasn't a decision that they had any input on!

<world's smallest violin for the shareholders>

SMOGZINN · May 28, 2025

mikeymikec said:
Revealed: UnitedHealth secretly paid nursing homes to reduce hospital transfers

A Guardian investigation finds insurer quietly paid facilities that helped it gain Medicare enrollees and reduce hospitalizations. Whistleblowers allege harm to residents

www.theguardian.com

Jesus Christ that is fucking evil.

... Side note - has the world always been this fucked up and I'm just noticing it more now? It seems like humanity is pressing all the fucking buttons in recent years though.

The world has always been this fucked up, but in the past, we actually punished companies, and the people that run them, for doing such things. But then came the 'to big to fail' era of business. From that point the megacorporations knew they could get away with literal murder in the pursuit of profit and at worst they would get a relatively small fine.

Then with no real consequences for failure, they went about capturing the Supreme Court, having campaign donations declared free speech, bought the rest of the branches of government, and are in the current process of dismantling democracy and removing regulations.

The GOP with all its hate and social injustice warriors are just a smokescreen for the corporate takeover of politics. While we are arguing about if trans kids should be allowed to play basketball, they are changing the laws to strip mine the oceans, dump toxic waste in the rivers, and clear cut the rainforests.

Moonbeam · May 28, 2025

mikeymikec said:
Revealed: UnitedHealth secretly paid nursing homes to reduce hospital transfers

A Guardian investigation finds insurer quietly paid facilities that helped it gain Medicare enrollees and reduce hospitalizations. Whistleblowers allege harm to residents

www.theguardian.com

Jesus Christ that is fucking evil.

... Side note - has the world always been this fucked up and I'm just noticing it more now? It seems like humanity is pressing all the fucking buttons in recent years though.

It's a good question and I have no idea but my guess is that people generally are better than they used to be, that the overall state of consciousness and presence of empathy in the world has improved. I think right now we are seeing a back lash among the least conscious people on the planet owing to mass communications, banding together to try to apply the breaks on progress because they are experiencing contempt for their backwardness and it makes the brave enough en masse to be mean. The big struggle right now I think is reorienting efforts in the direction of combating this. People are unaware of how easily their emotions can be manipulated and how badly they don't want to feel negatives. Feeling worthless and pretending no to is another name for the cause of denial.

Moonbeam · May 28, 2025

SMOGZINN said:
The world has always been this fucked up, but in the past, we actually punished companies, and the people that run them, for doing such things. But then came the 'to big to fail' era of business. From that point the megacorporations knew they could get away with literal murder in the pursuit of profit and at worst they would get a relatively small fine.

Then with no real consequences for failure, they went about capturing the Supreme Court, having campaign donations declared free speech, bought the rest of the branches of government, and are in the current process of dismantling democracy and removing regulations.

The GOP with all its hate and social injustice warriors are just a smokescreen for the corporate takeover of politics. While we are arguing about if trans kids should be allowed to play basketball, they are changing the laws to strip mine the oceans, dump toxic waste in the rivers, and clear cut the rainforests.

The sickest people have the greatest death wishes.

dainthomas · May 28, 2025

This is by design. To fulfil their fiduciary duty to shareholders, they're required to seek profit by whatever means unless it is explicitly forbidden by law. However slimy and immoral it may be to us.

WelshBloke · May 28, 2025

mikeymikec said:
Revealed: UnitedHealth secretly paid nursing homes to reduce hospital transfers

A Guardian investigation finds insurer quietly paid facilities that helped it gain Medicare enrollees and reduce hospitalizations. Whistleblowers allege harm to residents

www.theguardian.com

Jesus Christ that is fucking evil.

... Side note - has the world always been this fucked up and I'm just noticing it more now? It seems like humanity is pressing all the fucking buttons in recent years though.

For profit health care, particularly for vulnerable people who maybe can't speak out for themselves, is always a disaster waiting to happen.

Unless you're the one whose happy to profit from other people's pain and distress.

Jaskalas · May 28, 2025

mikeymikec said:
Jesus Christ that is fucking evil.

... Side note - has the world always been this fucked up and I'm just noticing it more now? It seems like humanity is pressing all the fucking buttons in recent years though.

If you cannot liquidate people into Soylent Green, are you even a Capitalist?

HomerJS · May 28, 2025

Want a laugh? And some wonder why corporate billionaires are hated.

BlackRock Suing UnitedHealth for Providing 'Too Much Care' to Patients Following CEO Murder

Pure evil

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cytg111 · May 28, 2025

Wait? It was the robber baron billionaires this whole time????????

UNCjigga · May 28, 2025

On a side note, I recall the pilot episode of “The Pitt” had a plot point of all the nursing home transfers arriving like clockwork around 9am every day and steps the staff had to take to prep for it. It jogged a memory and sure enough, there was a similar scene in the pilot episode of “Scrubs”. Both shows treated this as the bane of ER departments, so basically over the past 20 years there’s been a known issue of the “revolving door” between nursing homes and hospitals, over billing Medicare/Medicaid with all sides pushing back on one another, and patient care suffering overall.

pcgeek11 · May 29, 2025

HomerJS said:
Luigi Mangione not looking so bad now.

Two wrongs don't make it right.

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nakedfrog said:
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Brainonska511 · May 29, 2025

UNCjigga said:
On a side note, I recall the pilot episode of “The Pitt” had a plot point of all the nursing home transfers arriving like clockwork around 9am every day and steps the staff had to take to prep for it. It jogged a memory and sure enough, there was a similar scene in the pilot episode of “Scrubs”. Both shows treated this as the bane of ER departments, so basically over the past 20 years there’s been a known issue of the “revolving door” between nursing homes and hospitals, over billing Medicare/Medicaid with all sides pushing back on one another, and patient care suffering overall.

It's bad for an integrated provider to arbitrarily change people to DNR.

However, it's also bad that we as a society don't want to pay for doctors' time to have conversations with patients and their families about the long term treatment or care goals as people age and get sick. Full codes are not pretty, and being stuck on a ventilator isn't good.

mikeymikec · May 29, 2025

pcgeek11 said:
Two wrongs don't make it right.

It seems more than a little childish of you to classify the intentional death of one person vs thousands as having some kind of equal worth, especially when that one death is in response to those thousands.

That aside, the stones of a Trump supporter to start talking about "two wrongs don't make a right"...

pcgeek11 · May 29, 2025

mikeymikec said:
It seems more than a little childish of you to classify the intentional death of one person vs thousands as having some kind of equal worth, especially when that one death is in response to those thousands.

That aside, the stones of a Trump supporter to start talking about "two wrongs don't make a right"...

Is United Healthcare wrong for what they are doing?

Yes.

Is Luigi Mangione wrong for murdering a person that is employed by United Healthcare?

Yes.

Two wrongs doesn't make it right. I didn't say that one is equal to thousands only that both deeds are wrong and misguided.

Should anyone be entitled to murder anyone employed by a company that is guilty of deeds such as United healthcare?

Are you for Vigilante justice?

[DHT]Osiris · May 29, 2025

pcgeek11 said:
Is United Healthcare wrong for what they are doing?

Yes.

Is Luigi Mangione wrong for murdering a person that is employed by United Healthcare?

Yes.

Two wrongs doesn't make it right. I didn't say that one is equal to thousands only that both deeds are wrong and misguided.

Should anyone be entitled to murder anyone employed by a company that is guilty of deeds such as United healthcare?

Are you for Vigilante justice?

That CEO personally profited from the deaths of people that the company of UH was obligated to protect, by virtue of their existence.

As far as I'm concerned he fucked around and found out.

mikeymikec · May 29, 2025

pcgeek11 said:
Is United Healthcare wrong for what they are doing?

Yes.

Is Luigi Mangione wrong for murdering a person that is employed by United Healthcare?

Yes.

Two wrongs doesn't make it right. I didn't say that one is equal to thousands only that both deeds are wrong and misguided.

You summarised them as "two wrongs", and no reasonable person would compare say jaywalking with genocide by saying, "well, two wrongs don't make a right!", yet that is basically what you did.

pcgeek11 said:
Should anyone be entitled to murder anyone employed by a company that is guilty of deeds such as United healthcare?

Are you for Vigilante justice?

LOL, talk about whitewashing it as much as possible. The CEO isn't "anyone employed by the company", they're the one who green-lights the major policy decisions, the person where the buck ultimately stops.

In a fully just and functional justice system, doing the kinds of things that American health insurance companies do on a regular basis should be straight-up illegal. Every time such a company dreams up a new and immoral scheme to make money, the government and justice system should be countering it. America doesn't have that counterweight, so basically these companies are getting away with mass murder because profit is held in higher esteem than morality.

It should be dangerous to risk peoples' lives in that manner, whether it's because the official justice system will catch up with you, or someone takes justice into their own hands, and as I already said, the buck ultimately stops with the CEO. If your country lacks the proper checks and balances to keep greed in check, then you should absolutely expect vigilante justice. It seems to me that you're childish enough to wag your finger at the vigilante and not the problem that caused the vigilante to take action.

HomerJS · May 29, 2025

pcgeek11 said:
Two wrongs don't make it right.

Tell it to your orange God after he openly opined about killing someone on 5th ave. He said his supporters wouldn't care and he was right. People like you are still cool with him.

outriding · May 29, 2025

pcgeek11 said:
Is United Healthcare wrong for what they are doing?

Yes.

Is Luigi Mangione wrong for murdering a person that is employed by United Healthcare?

Yes.

Two wrongs doesn't make it right. I didn't say that one is equal to thousands only that both deeds are wrong and misguided.

Should anyone be entitled to murder anyone employed by a company that is guilty of deeds such as United healthcare?

Are you for Vigilante justice?

Only one of them will ever see the inside of a court room (Lugi)

United C level employees should be in jail for medical malpractice because they are making medical decisions without a medical license

pcgeek11 · May 29, 2025

[DHT]Osiris said:
That CEO personally profited from the deaths of people that the company of UH was obligated to protect, by virtue of their existence.

As far as I'm concerned he fucked around and found out.

So your answer to this: Are you for Vigilante justice?

Is a yes. Good to know.

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